Tom Werner named a finalist for MLB Commissioner

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Sounds like may be at an impasse -- the Werner bloc is (for now)  preventing Manfred from being elected.  What a mess -- how typical of Selig.
 
Selig shrugged his shoulders and saluted us as he went into elevator. Does that mean impasse?
 
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The Reinsdorf block for Werner now in their own private huddle - Jerry, Beeston, Moreno, Henry, Kendrick, etc.
 
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https://twitter.com/EricFisherSBJ/status/499987837073510400
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Reportedly three votes done, no winner. I wonder if they can it and look for a new option?

I wonder if Werner wins if he brings the Dentist along to work on marketing. Lolol.

NBA and NFL transitions were seamless. Speaks to Bud's legacy, I guess
 
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Do we know exactly how the re-votes happen?  Once they realize they dont have a consensus do all the owners just talk amongst themselves?  Or just in small groups?  I'm assuming the later.  I also wonder if they are going to the candidates or the candidates go to owners in between the votes to talk about specific issues.  Like maybe Werner talked to the Cardinals and Rays to change his stance on revenue sharing for example.
 
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rob manfred just 1 vote shy of election. it is manfred 22, tom werner 8. owners still working.
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This is why I assumed that Brosnan dropping out would help Manfred, but obviously I underestimated Manfred's loathsomeness quotient.
 
Given that it only takes 8 votes to block a candidate, the one thing I'm almost certain of (assuming these reports are true) is that Werner will not be the next Commissioner.  If they continue to succeed in blocking Manfred, the owners will have to put up another candidate to end the impasse.
 
 
 
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If the majority concedes on Manfred, how likely would it be that they just decide to give it to Werner? Wouldn't they need a compromise candidate?
 
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Manfred is pretty mucha  worse-case for long-term health of the game, right? A sport in dire need of fresh face marketing and guidance to attract younger viewers and fans, a Bud disciple is probably the worst-case scenario. I'm not saying Werner is the answer in that regard. I would prefer someone from outside the game (never gonna happen I know).
 
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Has a NY columnist suggested Derek Jeter yet?   It seems like it will happen if the deadlock makes it overnight.
 
I'd just as soon he stays in Boston as part of a very successful and effective ownership group, but to me Werner is head and shoulders above Manfred.  MLB commissioner is a business and strategy job, not an operational one...Werner has more of those core skills.
 
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Clears Cleaver said:
NBA and NFL transitions were seamless. Speaks to Bud's legacy, I guess
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Not in the NFL.  Paul Tagliabue was a compromise candidate in 1989 who was nominated after the search committee's selection was blocked by a group of dissatisfied owners and did not get elected until the 12th vote.  In 2006, it took five votes for Roger Goodell to be elected despite being Tagliabue's right-hand man.
 
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So when does a compromise candidate out of left field get elected who then proceeds to dismantle the greatest threat against MLB? Or am I getting too hyped up on hoping the next commissioner takes Selig II as his given name? 
 
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JimD said:
 
Not in the NFL.  Paul Tagliabue was a compromise candidate in 1989 who was nominated after the search committee's selection was blocked by a group of dissatisfied owners and did not get elected until the 12th vote.  In 2006, it took five votes for Roger Goodell to be elected despite being Tagliabue's right-hand man.
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really? wow, I didn't remember that. thanks
 
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You answer was in regards to them giving it to Werner right, not the compromise candidate?
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Yes.  If the NY Times article has any truth to it, I have to believe that there are more than 8 who will never cave on Werner.
 
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It seems like if there's that big a spread initially it's just a matter of time before they just roll over and vote for Manfred. Like a jury.  Unless it's a "12 Angry Men" situation, and there's a real persuasive owner in there somewhere :p
 
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“@NYDNSportsITeam: Eight MLB teams backing Werner over Manfred for commissioner: Jays, Red Sox, White Sox, Nats, Angels, A's, Arizona and Reds”

I say the A's cave




https://twitter.com/NYDNSportsITeam/status/500018853959983106
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If by "cave" you mean "get a guarantee from Manfred that he will allow them to move to San Jose," then I agree.  Otherwise, there is no chance they vote for someone who was in Bud's inner circle during this ongoing disaster that has prevented them from moving. 
 
And, BTW, if Manfred does carry the day, I wonder how many ways he can make life difficult for the Sox beyond the local TV revenue sharing.
 
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Sox want to keep their local TV $
A's want to move to San Jose
Nats have an ongoing TV rights issue with MASN
Reinsdorf had a falling out with Selig
 
Anyone know what the Jays, LAA, Arizona and Reds are upset about? 
 
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You make it sound like the league is in dire shape, it's not. You don't go outside the sport when revenues and profits are as great as they are. Getting kids interested in baseball is a big issue, for sure (and an issue most sports far) but I don't think who is named commish will have much of an effect there.
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The demographics are so awful for baseball that the assessment "it's not in dire shape" seems like whistling past the graveyard. Diehards like us are never going away. But whereas I spent 90% of my time and disposable income on baseball when I was in my 20s, I now spend 10% of my time and less than 1% of my disposable income on the sport. 
 
Baseball is facing a long, slow decline into irrelevance without a concerted effort to hook new, young fans. 
 
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On the face of it, it seems like the remaining 8 owners are strange bedfellows. A mix of large and small market teams. The theory about Oakland's motivation makes some sense, and obviously the Red Sox support Werner, but what about the other 6?
 
Edit: Just saw natty's edit. Okay, what about the other 4?
 
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theapportioner said:
On the face of it, it seems like the remaining 8 owners are strange bedfellows. A mix of large and small market teams. The theory about Oakland's motivation makes some sense, and obviously the Red Sox support Werner, but what about the other 6?
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I wonder if Werner promised the A's he would help them move. Otherwise it seems strange.
 
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JimBoSox9 said:
People really think that 1 of the 8 minority owners won't roll? Manfred seems like an inevitability to me now.
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Back Room Deals will eventually entice someone to switch........It will be Manfred by the end of the weekend
 
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Thoughts from Faye Vincent:  (audio)
 
https://soundcloud.com/mlbnetworkradio/former-commissioner-fay-vincent-says-relationship-w-union-most-important-in-commissioner-search
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As much as it pains me, I tend to agree with Vincent.  Which is why (again, this pains me) I hope that Manfred emerges as the next Commissioner.
 
Any other result means that power will tilt in the direction of Jerry Reinsdorf.  And this would be a very bad development for labor relations, as Reinsdorf is a hard liner who (incredibly) is reputed to want to break the union.  If true,that attitude will inevitably lead to another work stoppage.
 
I know that Werner's candidacy is all about the best interests of the Sox, but labor relations trumps everything for me.  I honestly don't know if my fandom will survive the nuclear winter of another work stoppage like '94. 
 
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theapportioner said:
On the face of it, it seems like the remaining 8 owners are strange bedfellows. A mix of large and small market teams. The theory about Oakland's motivation makes some sense, and obviously the Red Sox support Werner, but what about the other 6?
 
Edit: Just saw natty's edit. Okay, what about the other 4?
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Some of them may truly believe an owner should be commish, not one of the hired help (Manfred).
 
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I have that vague feeling of annoyance I get when the Sox lose an exhibition game.
 
No logic to that, I admit.
 
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I have that vague feeling of annoyance I get when the Sox lose an exhibition game.
 
No logic to that, I admit.
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TBH I am kind of happy that he won, I think that if Werner won Reinsdorf would be in his ear, and the chance Of an MLB lockout would have been greater. I believe Reinsdorf has been wanting to be a lot tougher on the union
 
 
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T.J. Quinn ‏@TJQuinnESPN  Aug 13
Why is Reinsdorf anti-Manfred? Has said Manfred not tough enough on union. Wants war, as he did 20 years ago.
 
https://twitter.com/TJQuinnESPN/status/499616053144862720
 
War=lockout
 
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Marginally fascinated by this. I'm honestly wondering how contentious things like this really get. It's easy when you have fire breathing columnists and Twitter spouting off based on hearsay and leaks to think something is much rawer than it actually is. People who are really, truly pissed do not agree to vote unanimously for the good of the enterprise at the end of the day.
 
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TheoShmeo said:
I have that vague feeling of annoyance I get when the Sox lose an exhibition game.
 
No logic to that, I admit.
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Manfred is kind of a jerk in real life.  That said, he's probably perfect for the job.
 
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Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but does this take effect immediately or after the season or...?
 
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Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but does this take effect immediately or after the season or...?
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I believe he steps down in January
 
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I was begging for Werner to win.
 
The next 20 years of complaints from the MFY fans would have been epic and hilarious!
 
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