Tom Werner named a finalist for MLB Commissioner

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Major League Baseball has identified three finalists to replace Commissioner Bud Selig and will vote on the successor Aug. 14, a high-ranking MLB executive with direct knowledge of the hiring process told USA TODAY Sports.
The owners, according to the executive, will choose between Rob Manfred, MLB's chief operating officer; Tim Brosnan, MLB's executive vice president of business; and Boston Red Sox chairman Tom Werner.
The executive spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the search.
Approval is required from 23 of 30 owners to elect a new commissioner.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/mlb-commissioner-tim-brosnan-tom-werner-rob-manfred-selig-successor/13633565/
 
It shocks me that Werner is being considered for the Commisioner's job.  If anyone in that FO, I would think Larry first.
 

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When I imagine Werner squaring off against Tony Clark during the next round of tense CBA negotiations, with his giggling delivery and prepubescent-Tim-Kurkjian voice cracking, it's an entertaining thought.
 

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Good news, no Joe Torre.
 
Why good? I never considered Torre a real candidate since he potentially would stand up to the owners on occasion. The owners won't go back to an even half-impartial commish.
 
 
Werner has the tv background, and the related time of games issue is on the owners' minds. Of course, it wouldn't shock me if Werner would back the switch to 7-inning games. 
 

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I am friendly with someone high up in MLB and he has told me repeatedly that the length of games is a huge issue to the MLB.  It is definitely something that they will continue to address.  
 

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When I imagine Werner squaring off against Tony Clark during the next round of tense CBA negotiations, with his giggling delivery and prepubescent-Tim-Kurkjian voice cracking, it's an entertaining thought.
 
 
Manfred could stay in place as lead prick for CBA negotiations. His demeanor is so off-putting that his Q rating as commish would be a disaster, but he may get the job anyway.
 

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I am friendly with someone high up in MLB and he has told me repeatedly that the length of games is a huge issue to the MLB.  It is definitely something that they will continue to address.  
 
As someone who really enjoys watching baseball, I find that they're too short. Is it possible MLB will devise ways of increasing the length of games?
 

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I hadn't see Werner's name mentioned before so I'm impressed that they were able to keep that quiet.
 
I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that there are no outsiders being mentioned.  Outgoing Disney CEO Bob Iger had been previously mentioned as a potential candidate, for instance.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Manfred is Selig's guy so he doesn't have a chance with any anti-Selig owners.  (I don't know how popular Selig is within the owners group.)  Brosnan oversees all of their sponsorship and TV deals, so if the owners are happy with those numbers, he probably has a decent chance for that reason alone.
 

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Manfred could stay in place as lead prick for CBA negotiations. His demeanor is so off-putting that his Q rating as commish would be a disaster, but he may get the job anyway.
 
Compared to Gary Bettman and (of late) Roger Goodell, Manfred doesn't have a high bar to hurdle over with respect to PR capabilities as a commish.
 

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Compared to Gary Bettman and (of late) Roger Goodell, Manfred doesn't have a high bar to hurdle over with respect to PR capabilities as a commish.
 
 
True, but MLB is always held to a higher standard (game start times, PEDs, ASG, etc.) than the other sports, and the NFL & NBA shops are much more accomplished at cowing the media. 
 
 
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Are their anti-Selig owners?
 
 
Yeah, his reign has seen them all make a crapload of $$$.
 

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I am friendly with someone high up in MLB and he has told me repeatedly that the length of games is a huge issue to the MLB.  It is definitely something that they will continue to address.  
Not saying your friend's a liar, but if it was such a huge issue you'd think they would have started enforcing the rules already on the books better about taking too long between pitches. What would be the stumbling block? Papelbon and Beckett?
 

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Not saying your friend's a liar, but if it was such a huge issue you'd think they would have started enforcing the rules already on the books better about taking too long between pitches. What would be the stumbling block? Papelbon and Beckett?
 
Clearly Clay Buchholz. Where would MLB be without Clay's interminable waiting on the mound with runners on?
 

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Are their anti-Selig owners?
Yeah, there aren't any anti-Selig owners. He has padded their coffers incredibly over his reign. The perception of these guys is very different from the fans than from ownership. These guys are paid to be unpopular, make tough decisions, and make shitloads of money - not necessarily in that order. I think Manfred is a slam-dunk as a replacement.
 

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I know I'm wavering off topic here, but the current rule in the books for time between pitches (which is never enforced anyways) only applies to when there are no runners in base.
 

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Because if anyone shows an understanding of what's best for baseball fans, it's this guy.
 

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Manfred could stay in place as lead prick for CBA negotiations. His demeanor is so off-putting that his Q rating as commish would be a disaster, but he may get the job anyway.
 
"An asshole who gets things done" sounds almost exactly the way my wife has described Rob Manfred based on the time she worked with him in the DC office of Morgan Lewis 20 years ago.
 

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I have to assume Manfred is the favorite. Werner being included seems really odd to me (although he does have the TV background).
 
Ownership has accomplished many things, but NESN has been one of the bigger disappointments to me. Werner hardly did wonders there.
 

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Because if anyone shows an understanding of what's best for baseball fans, it's this guy.
 
 
"What's best for baseball fans" has nothing to do with being MLB Commissioner.
 
This is a league that has idly stood by while 70% of the fans in the #2 market in the U.S. are unable to watch their home team on TV.  It's a league that until this year thought it was no big deal to prevent users who had paid for MLB.tv or Extra Innings subscriptions to be  unable to watch live games on Saturday afternoons.  It's a league that has forced the fans of one of the better teams in the game to play in a sports facility that is figuratively and at times literally an open sewer while claiming FOR FIVE YEARS that a "blue-ribbon panel" was investigating how to address the team's "stadium issue."  As long as TV money comes in, MLB could not care less what's good for the fans.
 

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"What's best for baseball fans" has nothing to do with being MLB Commissioner.
 
This is a league that has idly stood by while 70% of the fans in the #2 market in the U.S. are unable to watch their home team on TV.  It's a league that until this year thought it was no big deal to prevent users who had paid for MLB.tv or Extra Innings subscriptions to be  unable to watch live games on Saturday afternoons.  It's a league that has forced the fans of one of the better teams in the game to play in a sports facility that is figuratively and at times literally an open sewer while claiming FOR FIVE YEARS that a "blue-ribbon panel" was investigating how to address the team's "stadium issue."  As long as TV money comes in, MLB could not care less what's good for the fans.
You could say much of that and worse about the NFL No presence in the #2 market despite endless promises/utterances of how important it is.  No ability to watch the game you want at all unless you subscribe to a preferred cable provider.  A team playing in that very same sewer of a facility.  Rampant and ongoing PED use.  Unending off-field problems.  Poisonous labor relations.
 
Doesn't seem to have hurt the NFL or its image.
 

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Are their anti-Selig owners?
Rudy--I just found the story in the Times from May that addressed this topic somewhat.  Jerry Reinsdorf was quoted as being very anti-Manfred:
 
 
Mr. Reinsdorf has broken ranks and tried to upend the plan to slide Mr. Manfred into the commissioner’s office on Park Avenue, several owners say.
In discussions with other owners, Mr. Reinsdorf has raised questions about Mr. Selig’s transparency as commissioner and argued that Mr. Selig should play only an advisory role in picking his successor. Mr. Reinsdorf argued that, unlike owners who have hundreds of millions of dollars invested in their teams, Mr. Selig has no ownership in the game after he retires.
“What I have said about Rob is none of your business,” Mr. Reinsdorf said in a telephone interview, interjecting an expletive.
Mr. Reinsdorf said he “had never said a bad word about Bud,” who he said “was the game’s best commissioner.” But he said that he believed that the owners — not Mr. Selig — should be in charge of picking the next one.
 

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Wait, let me guess, his reaction was nervous laughter?
He may have the TV background, but he is so painfully awkward in public that I absolutely cringe thinking about him being out in front of anything. He has a face for radio, and a voice for... for... what?

And let's not forget the "we need sexier players!" declaration.

Does anyone really know what role he even plays with the Sox?

He's more of a Liverpool guy (/CHB)
 

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Owners will vote on those candidates on Aug. 14, on the final day of the quarterly owners meetings. A candidate needs 23 of the 30 votes in order to get elected. Manfred has long been viewed as the favorite to succeed Selig. However, a dissenting group, which sources say has been led by Chicago White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and Los Angeles Angelsowner Arte Moreno, has nominated Werner for the job, and has been working behind the scenes to rally the eight votes needed to block Manfred's election.
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11313889/owners-vote-new-mlb-commissioner-next-week
 
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/mlb-commissioner-tim-brosnan-tom-werner-rob-manfred-selig-successor/13633565/
 
It shocks me that Werner is being considered for the Commisioner's job.  If anyone in that FO, I would think Larry first.
I may be off base here, but IMHO Werner is easier to replace for the Red Sox than Lucky.
 
Plus I can see Lucky being less impartial than Werner. And doesn't Werner live in Newton? There's a whole public service vibe in that city.
 

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I may be off base here, but IMHO Werner is easier to replace for the Red Sox than Lucky. In fact, that begs the question, if Lucky is CEO, what does Werner really do? Isn't he in Liverpool half the time anyway?
 
Plus I can see Lucky being less impartial than Werner. And doesn't Werner live in Newton, there's a whole public service vibe in that city?
 
What the hell are you talking about?
 

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Ownership has accomplished many things, but NESN has been one of the bigger disappointments to me. Werner hardly did wonders there.
How so? Forbes listed it in 2012 as the 9th most valuable brand in Sports, putting it 4th among TV networks (ESPN, Sky, YES). I'd guess it is one of the most profitable assets for FSG.
 
 

 
 

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How so? Forbes listed it in 2012 as the 9th most valuable brand in Sports, putting it 4th among TV networks (ESPN, Sky, YES). I'd guess it is one of the most profitable assets for FSG.
 
 
 
That success is entirely based on its live sports exclusives, which an intern could have acquired. The rest of the station's programming and production is an absolute joke. You'd think Werner would have a sense of pride and want to make NESN the Cadillac of regional sports networks, but at the end of the day he's just a mediocre guy who hit the jackpot once and made enough money to cover up any future Peter Principle tendencies. If it weren't so sad that he's the great white anti-Manfred hope, his inclusion on the list would be funnier.
 

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When I imagine Werner squaring off against Tony Clark during the next round of tense CBA negotiations, with his giggling delivery and prepubescent-Tim-Kurkjian voice cracking, it's an entertaining thought.
 
In that case Keith Foulke might be a better choice for Commish.
 

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You could say much of that and worse about the NFL No presence in the #2 market despite endless promises/utterances of how important it is.  No ability to watch the game you want at all unless you subscribe to a preferred cable provider.  A team playing in that very same sewer of a facility.  Rampant and ongoing PED use.  Unending off-field problems.  Poisonous labor relations.
 
Doesn't seem to have hurt the NFL or its image.
 
That's a fine point -- it has nothing to do with what I was saying.  Whether something is in the best interest of the fans (1) has no bearing on the selection of the next Commissioner and (2) has almost no bearing on any decisions MLB makes.  Just as with the NFL, MLB prospers if advertisers and TV networks pay them.  As has been demonstrated time and again, what's good for fans and what ensures the ongoing inflow of TV and ad revenue are often not, at least in the short term, the same thing.
 

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Evatluating Werner harshly seems wrong headed to me.  We don't know much about how the Trio breaks things up other than JWH's comment that "Larry runs the Red Sox."  But Werner has been chairman during a very succesful little run and seems to work well with John and Larry.  One would think that he gained some important experience regarding the business of baseball during that time.
 
As to NESN, it's not always my cup of tea, but without looking at the numbers, understanding exactly what Werner's role is and just knowing more of the details, I have some trouble evaluating Werner based on its performance.  
 
As a Sox fan, I'd rather not mess with a successful formula, so I'd like to keep Werner in place and prefer they not choose him.  I also don't see a lot of benefit coming the Sox way if he did get the job in light of one of their own becoming Commish.  I don't see harm, either, but I don't see enough offsetting benefit to upset the applecart.
 
It would, however, be fun to read Yankees fans complaining every time baseball did anything that seemed to favor the Red Sox.  Along the lines of Yankee Bob (only there it was Sox fans crying foul) and the MFYFs incessant whining about George Mitchell's ties to the Sox.  That would be a nice plus, actually.
 

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Evatluating Werner harshly seems wrong headed to me.  We don't know much about how the Trio breaks things up other than JWH's comment that "Larry runs the Red Sox."  But Werner has been chairman during a very succesful little run and seems to work well with John and Larry.  One would think that he gained some important experience regarding the business of baseball during that time.
 
The problem as I see it is that its really difficult to isolate what Werner has done and you should need some serious credentials and clear accomplishments to get the Commissioners job.  The RedSox have had a great run in terms of the # of titles, but they have had some huge, huge course corrections recently (Gonzo&Crawford, BobbyV) and the whole Theo money suit fiasco a while back.  If I'm hiring a Commissioner I want a steadier hand than that.
 
 
 
As far as the next Commissioner goes, do we have any idea what Manfred's (who I am assuming is the favorite and will probably get it) vision for the game is?  It seems the CBA and TV deals are in a healthy spot so I would think that grabbing the younger audience for your future fan pipeline and addressing the length of games would be some of the top priorities for the league in the near term. If they dont hire a visionary to address those issues then I think the game might be in real trouble 10 years from now.
 

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Rudy--I just found the story in the Times from May that addressed this topic somewhat.  Jerry Reinsdorf was quoted as being very anti-Manfred:
 
 
Mr. Reinsdorf has broken ranks and tried to upend the plan to slide Mr. Manfred into the commissioner’s office on Park Avenue, several owners say.
In discussions with other owners, Mr. Reinsdorf has raised questions about Mr. Selig’s transparency as commissioner and argued that Mr. Selig should play only an advisory role in picking his successor. Mr. Reinsdorf argued that, unlike owners who have hundreds of millions of dollars invested in their teams, Mr. Selig has no ownership in the game after he retires.
“What I have said about Rob is none of your business,” Mr. Reinsdorf said in a telephone interview, interjecting an expletive.
Mr. Reinsdorf said he “had never said a bad word about Bud,” who he said “was the game’s best commissioner.” But he said that he believed that the owners — not Mr. Selig — should be in charge of picking the next one.
 
Jerry Reinsdorf being against something is pretty much all I need to give it my full support.
 

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I think it's bullshit that owners can be commissioners.  Even though they technically don't retain an interest in their team they obviously still have ties to it.  But of course since it's the owners who vote it makes sense that they'd pick one of their own if possible.  MLB is like a smaller version of our political system.
 

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4 things make Werner a good candidate:
 
1) Small market ownership experience
2) Large market ownership experience
3) Media and entertainment success
4) Consensus builder leadership style
 
I suppose you might be able to add union negotiating skills as I'm sure he haggled with the entertainment unions at times while producing his shows.
 
When you are talking about a major sport Commissioner, that's like a required skills list.
 
Regardless of what we personally think of him, it's not that hard to see why he's a finalist.
 

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That success is entirely based on its live sports exclusives, which an intern could have acquired. The rest of the station's programming and production is an absolute joke. You'd think Werner would have a sense of pride and want to make NESN the Cadillac of regional sports networks, but at the end of the day he's just a mediocre guy who hit the jackpot once and made enough money to cover up any future Peter Principle tendencies. If it weren't so sad that he's the great white anti-Manfred hope, his inclusion on the list would be funnier.
 
I dont know about the ease of live programming acquisition, but do *any* of the regional sports networks have much original programming to be proud of? 
 

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As far as the next Commissioner goes, do we have any idea what Manfred's (who I am assuming is the favorite and will probably get it) vision for the game is?  It seems the CBA and TV deals are in a healthy spot so I would think that grabbing the younger audience for your future fan pipeline and addressing the length of games would be some of the top priorities for the league in the near term. If they dont hire a visionary to address those issues then I think the game might be in real trouble 10 years from now.
 
This I think is a bit of an overstatement. Baseball remains and with the tv eyeballs/contracts is a good bet to continue to be a regional powerhouse. Baseball also doesn't pose the substantial risk of ruining its participants life after playing professionally( hello NFL). MLB can do all sorts of little things to speed up the game like a shot clock type thing for the time between plays and pitches but the game will always be 3 hours at least IMHO. 
 
As for Werner I can't see it happening but he'd become a lot more relevant immediately. He's always been the third guy behind Henry and Larry. 
 

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I dont know about the ease of live programming acquisition, but do *any* of the regional sports networks have much original programming to be proud of? 
 
We make fun of things like this:
 

 
But if NESN did monthly shows telling the stories of old Red Sox, including famous ones, infamous ones, and the ones we've nicknamed ourselves after, you know we'd be watching.
 

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This I think is a bit of an overstatement. Baseball remains and with the tv eyeballs/contracts is a good bet to continue to be a regional powerhouse. Baseball also doesn't pose the substantial risk of ruining its participants life after playing professionally( hello NFL). MLB can do all sorts of little things to speed up the game like a shot clock type thing for the time between plays and pitches but the game will always be 3 hours at least IMHO. 
 
This type of view is what might doom MLB.  When MLS, yes Major League Soccer, has more interest from young fans than MLB (according to an ESPN poll) you have a future problem coming.  The younger generation isnt as interested in the long games and slow pace as the older generation is, so you need to find a way to have the product match your future fans interest or you will have a huge problem.  We arent seeing the effects of this in the ratings yet, but I do believe we will start to see this trend over the next 10 years.
 

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If the groundswell to nominate Werner evolved as reported, with Reinsdorf & Moreno leading the way as they attempt to corral a pretty small opposition group of at least 6 more owners, then I can only assume Werner's name didn't come up as part of some exhaustive committee search. It was two guys floating a trial balloon.
 
Based on that I'll further assume it was either Reinsdorf or Moreno that personally approached Werner with this proposal, and that he agreed to accept the post if nominated. And that means Werner is likely in agreement with the agendas of Reinsdorf & Moreno, which would make him anti-Manfred. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. If Werner's name was just thrown out there without anyone actually gauging his interest and positions on key issues, I doubt this "committee" would have included Werner as one of three finalists, and I'm certain we'd have heard a "thanks, but no thanks" statement of flattery and denial from him by now in the wake of yesterday's news reports.
 
So now I'm left wondering what his motivation would be to break ranks with Manfred. What decisions or postures taken by Manfred could be seen as having irked Werner? What goals of Reinsdorf and/or Moreno would Werner be philosophically aligned with?
 
I'm also curious how he weighed "continued Red Sox ownership stake" on one hand, and "selling that stake to become commissioner of the sport" on the other and decided on the latter. One possible angle is that despite the value of NESN as a brand and a network, I think we can all agree that, as JimBoSox9 points out, the network's independently-produced content leaves much to be desired in terms of both popularity (ratings) and industry praise for originality and creativity. Take away the actual games and the pre/post-game shows, and the only NESN-created programming that's garnered any sort of popularity or acclaim over his dozen years as an owner is the kids' show hosted by Gary Striewski that just debuted this season.
 
There's a shitload of bodies in NESN's production graveyard -- Sox Appeal, Pocket Money (that stupid Jaywalking ripoff hosted by Fitzy), Globe 10.0 (the PTI ripoff), Red Sox Small Talk, Dirty Water TV, and virtually every SportsCenter-esque news/update program they've ever developed. Even the pre/post-game shows have had their warts, with a parade of panelists like Sam Horn and Jack Fucking Welch who became laughing stocks. Then there's the embarrassment of having D&C on their airwaves, with two (now three) guys spouting opinions for three hours a day that at best contradict Werner's known political views, and at worst insult and alienate significant portions of NESN's target demographic (not to mention issues with sponsors). For the balance of weekday mornings, the network airs a parade of infomercial garbage. For a guy like Werner, who enjoyed a ridiculous amount of success and critical praise as a Hollywood TV producer, I have to wonder how much this may be a source of professional frustration for him. As far as we know, all the in-stadium stuff is the work of Steinberg, not Werner. So what are the positive contributions he can point to as a TV guy other than the money generated through people watching Sox/Bruins games and their lead-in/recap shows?
 
I also don't think it's a quantum leap to ask if this development lends more legitimacy to the whispers about Henry (and Werner) possibly selling the team.
 

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I hope Werner doesn't get it for the simple reason that I don't feel like hearing other teams' fans bitching and moaning about favoritism every time he makes a ruling that does anything other than hose the Red Sox.  Call it the Campbell Principle.
 
Edit: removed some colorful language.
 

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Sad thing is, the new commish will be someone from within the baseball world. I would love to see a commissioner who loves the game but comes from outside it.