Todd Frazier to the White Sox in three team deal with LAD

[soxhop411]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 27s27 seconds ago
Source: Frazier from #Reds to #WhiteSox. Three-team deal with #Dodgers apparently.


Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 11s11 seconds ago
montas micah johnson and trayce thompson go to dodgers

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago
peraza shepler dixon go to reds

 

[Corsi]

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 1m1 minute ago
Jeff Passan Retweeted C. Trent Rosecrans

Yeah. I'd say this is getting big. Parts of three-way deal we know: Dodgers get Montas, White Sox get Todd Frazier.

 

[rembrat]

Do the Reds get all of the prospects?

 

[Corsi]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 20s20 seconds ago
Peraza, Dixon, Schebler go to #Reds

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 9s9 seconds ago
montas micah johnson and trayce thompson go to dodgers

 

[RedOctober3829]

 

[MakMan44]

Based on what we know so far, the Reds make out the worst in the deal. Gotta be more going to them

 

[nattysez]

And now the Dodgers have a nice collection with well-thought-of prospects that they can ship to Miami for Fernandez.

 

[MakMan44]

Based on what we know so far, the Reds make out the worst in the deal. Gotta be more going to them

Nope, official. Wow, I'd be pretty pissed if I was a Reds fan. Gave up the best player in the deal too.

 

[jmm57]

Kind of shocking that Frazier's 64 HR combined in '14-15 are tied for the NL lead. It wasn't that long ago that there was a fair chance that 64 in one season wouldn't have led the NL.

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

Is Frazier that much of a prize for everyone to think the Reds got so fleeced?

He has power, but his OBP two years ago was .336 dropping to .309 last year (16th) among 3rd basemen. He's one of those guys who's a better fantasy player than actual player.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

This is so White Sox. They're active every off-season, perhaps trying to excite their fan base. And every season they pretty much suck. Talk about a team with no master plan.

 

[moondog80]

This is so White Sox. They're active every off-season, perhaps trying to excite their fan base. And every season they pretty much suck. Talk about a team with no master plan.

I don't know, if the reports are to believed, they didn't give up anything great and Frazier is pretty good and relatively cheap for two years. What's not to like? Lawrie at 2B and Frazier at 3B is a massive improvement over what they had.

 

[Snoop Soxy Dogg]

Are the Dodgers unable to make a trade that is not a three or four team trade? It's established they have FO brainpower - but it's like they get out of their way to prove that they're playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers. Lots of contorsions for mediocre end-results. Like last year, a complicated trade to get Dee Gordon and his 4-5 years of control out of there, to bring in FA-to be Howie Kendrick ). I mean, I loved it when the Sox FO was reputed to have major brainpower in the Theo/Ben years, but man, is that approach excruciating for a fan. Starting to appreciate the "you like it, you buy it" no-nonsense approach of Dombrowski.

That being said, I'm pretty fascinated to see what LA does to get themselves out of the apparent pickle they are in.

 

[MakMan44]

Are the Dodgers unable to make a trade that is not a three or four team trade? It's established they have FO brainpower - but it's like they get out of their way to prove that they're playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers. Lots of contorsions for mediocre end-results. Like last year, a complicated trade to get Dee Gordon and his 4-5 years of control out of there, to bring in FA-to be Howie Kendrick ). I mean, I loved it when the Sox FO was reputed to have major brainpower in the Theo/Ben years, but man, is that approach excruciating for a fan. Starting to appreciate the "you like it, you buy it" no-nonsense approach of Dombrowski.

That being said, I'm pretty fascinated to see what LA does to get themselves out of the apparent pickle they are in.

What?

This one of the stranger posts I've seen. Why would a fan care how many teams are in a trade?

I mean, the Dodgers are working to get the best trades they can, no matter the amount of teams. I get that the Kendrick trade didn't work out the way they planned but nobody is going to bat a thousand and it's a really strange complainant to bring up against the Dodgers.

 

[Snoop Soxy Dogg]

What?

This one of the stranger posts I've seen. Why would a fan care how many teams are in a trade?

I mean, the Dodgers are working to get the best trades they can, no matter the amount of teams. I get that the Kendrick trade didn't work out the way they planned but nobody is going to bat a thousand and it's a really strange complainant to bring up against the Dodgers.

Not sure what's so "strange" about it. It's not really a "complaint", more of an observation.

-Obviously the Dodgers are working the best trades they can. I just find it interesting that a lot of their trades are of the complex, 3-4 team, dozen players involved variety. I don't think that's happenstance.

-A fan doesn't care how many teams are in a trade. Obviously. I was making a separate point, that a more direct approach, where a team (especially one with the resources that the Dodgers have), doesn't waste time and just pays the price (in trades or $$) for what it needs is much easier to take for a fan watching the hot stove - than one where we're getting to the end of the year and it's still unclear what two-thirds of the Dodgers rotation is going to look like. Or put differently, it's much easier to enjoy the holidays as a Red Sox fan because the team is largely built, than being on pins and needles as a Dodger fan because you have no idea what the team will look like while the competition all around you has so obviously gotten better. Not that an FO building a team cares about that.

Again, not a complaint, it's not a big deal and I don't really care. The Dodgers will obviously have a rotation in place on opening day.

 

[MakMan44]

Your second point, that it's nice to have the FO go straight after what the team needs, is valid and I agree but it wasn't clear that's what you were driving towards.

For the record, I think what the Dodgers are doing is pretty smart. They clearly weren't in love with Pereza, as they were set to move him in the botched chapman deal and ended up with 2 decent pieces and a pitcher with pretty good upside just by serving as the middle man for the Sox and Reds.

 

[DanoooME]

And they felt they didn't need Frazier themselves since they have both Justin Turner and Alex Guerrero already on the roster.

The Dodgers are pretty much set with Kershaw, Iwakuma, Wood and Anderson; Ryu if he's ready, and Bolsinger and Frias as potential fill-ins. It's not last year's rotation on paper, but it works and they don't HAVE to have another pitcher. And they have Urias waiting in the wings if he shows he can handle AAA.

 

[Snoop Soxy Dogg]

Yeah, that's fair enough. My initial post wasn't the clearest.

Another school of thought on the dodgers is that they're just stockpiling assets to send to Miami to get Fernandez (or a Sonny Gray, as Bowden suggested today, or Archer). I don't really see it, and I think they'll have to include Urias in any trade for an ace-like pitcher, which they don't want to do. I'm genuinely curious to see how they build that rotation. May be they pull a Cherington and go with the 4 number 2-3 rotation (I actually love Iwakuma as a #2) - though in this case, no need for "he's the ace" T-shirts, as Kershaw is the unquestioned ace.

 

[Snoop Soxy Dogg]

And they felt they didn't need Frazier themselves since they have both Justin Turner and Alex Guerrero already on the roster.

The Dodgers are pretty much set with Kershaw, Iwakuma, Wood and Anderson; Ryu if he's ready, and Bolsinger and Frias as potential fill-ins. It's not last year's rotation on paper, but it works and they don't HAVE to have another pitcher. And they have Urias waiting in the wings if he shows he can handle AAA.

I disagree with this a bit. I think they need quality innings from somebody else. Going into the season with Iwakuma, Anderson and Ryu and their injury history as 3/5 of your rotation is asking for trouble IMO. It's like having 3 Buchholz in your rotation. I don't thing they need another ace or anything, but somebody like Gallardo or maybe Kazmir would add a lot more stability there.

 

[nvalvo]

The White Sox have a tremendous rotation, a good leadoff man and cleanup hitter in Eaton and Abreu, and a top-shelf closer. Basically, they're an Avasail Garcia breakout away from being a wildcard contender.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

The White Sox have a tremendous rotation, a good leadoff man and cleanup hitter in Eaton and Abreu, and a top-shelf closer. Basically, they're an Avasail Garcia breakout away from being a wildcard contender.

It's another very interesting division.

 

[Plympton91]

The Reds got absolutely hosed here. What an awful deal. Two years of control of an all star for a utility infielder, a 5th outfielder and AAA roster filler. Yikes.

I wish the Red Sox didn't have Pablo's anchor around their infield and payroll. Frazier for the Red Sox equivalent of that package would have been sweet. There's not a direct comparison b/c Red Sox have graduated or traded most high minors position talent, but yeesh the Reds got fleeced.

 

[kazuneko]

Would have loved if the Sox had been able to pick up Frazier and dump Pablo.
Frazier is a plus-glove, plus-bat 3rd baseman with two years of control remaining, so I'm actually a bit surprised that his acquisition cost was this low.
Beyond the stats, Frazier also happens to be a great guy. When I worked as an interpreter in the Hawaiian Winter League I got to meet him a few times and was very impressed - particularly by how his peers responded to him. Fun-loving and charismatic, "the Toddfather" (though I don't think he yet had that nickname) was well-liked by everyone and brought the type of light-hearted leadership to the clubhouse that I associate with Big Papi. With Papi retiring next year, Frazier could have been the rare player that could have not only have helped replace his power in the lineup but his leadership in the clubhouse.

 

[DanoooME]

Are the Dodgers unable to make a trade that is not a three or four team trade? It's established they have FO brainpower - but it's like they get out of their way to prove that they're playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers. Lots of contorsions for mediocre end-results. Like last year, a complicated trade to get Dee Gordon and his 4-5 years of control out of there, to bring in FA-to be Howie Kendrick ). I mean, I loved it when the Sox FO was reputed to have major brainpower in the Theo/Ben years, but man, is that approach excruciating for a fan. Starting to appreciate the "you like it, you buy it" no-nonsense approach of Dombrowski.

That being said, I'm pretty fascinated to see what LA does to get themselves out of the apparent pickle they are in.

In an odd coincidence of timing, here's an article about 3 team trades over the last 10 years.

 

[MakMan44]

In an odd coincidence of timing, here's an article about 3 team trades over the last 10 years.

Interesting stuff. I disagree with the Sox 2013 trade but it's still cool to see them all spelled out.