Chicago to Georgia vs. Boston to Georgia? Maybe 40 minutes difference one way on the plane would matter?nattysez said:
The premature re-signing Lester thread
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George Ofman @georgeofman 6m6 minutes ago
Excuse me again. Redsox offer to Lester is $130-135. Sorry about that.
https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/537374206350995456
Excuse me again. Redsox offer to Lester is $130-135. Sorry about that.
https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/537374206350995456
I'm quoting this as representative of several of you running the Internet Front Office, and not to pick on you personally. But seriously: you guys save the lectures. I am pretty confident I have a pretty good idea of the kinds of discussions that go on, and the kinds of phone calls that are made, once these kinds of deals are consummated.joe dokes said:
What Theo is offer to get him to go to Cubs. Hamels like deal gets it done 6/$144.soxhop411 said:
joe dokes said:
someoneanywhere said:
I don't tak anything here personally, even if it is intended to be so, but I'm not sure why the original post is an example of what you're complaining about. You used the terms "backtracking," "desperation" and "devaluing." I disagree. I could have just said, "No, they didn't do any of those 3 things," but I tried to explain why I didn't think so.
Anyway...back to regularly scheduled programming ......
The heck with those guys. We wait too long on Jon and it will not end well. The Sox need to move in for the kill or move on.
Lester grew up in the Red Sox organization.
It was the Red Sox who stood by him every step of the way during his illness.
He knows all (most) of the Red Sox players and management. (Yes, he also knows Theo)
The Red Sox provided him with the mutually beneficial trade to Oakland, giving Lester a real opportunity to pitch in the World Series again.
The Red Sox also gave Lester an opportunity to test the FA market (I don't believe most stories about the seriousness of the spring offer), with a pat on the back to tell him, "go see what the market offers, and we'll talk"
The goodbye from Fenway was filled with good feelings and hugs all around.
Lester could retire as a Red Sock. He (obviously) could get more rings in Boston. Getting rings in Chicago or Atlanta means a waiting game...for an aging pitcher.
I have to think Lester's coming back.
It was the Red Sox who stood by him every step of the way during his illness.
He knows all (most) of the Red Sox players and management. (Yes, he also knows Theo)
The Red Sox provided him with the mutually beneficial trade to Oakland, giving Lester a real opportunity to pitch in the World Series again.
The Red Sox also gave Lester an opportunity to test the FA market (I don't believe most stories about the seriousness of the spring offer), with a pat on the back to tell him, "go see what the market offers, and we'll talk"
The goodbye from Fenway was filled with good feelings and hugs all around.
Lester could retire as a Red Sock. He (obviously) could get more rings in Boston. Getting rings in Chicago or Atlanta means a waiting game...for an aging pitcher.
I have to think Lester's coming back.
THISLynchie said:
Plus he has something going for him that other available pitchers don't. He and we KNOW he can get it done in Boston and in the Post Season.
Are they waiting? I thought they spent the last two days actively negotiating with him. Maybe you mean they're waiting on giving in to whatever demands are holding this up. Give in Sox! [Um, well, up to a point.]Lynchie said:
I don't think a possible 14m difference should be so easily dismissed. If we're talking a couple million maybe he'd take less to go back to Boston. But I think hoping that he'll take 6/130 over 6/144 is pretty naive. Hopefully I'm wrong.
SOURCE: Red Sox are debating whether or not to extend higher offer on Jon Lester.If they do, @ColbyGuarino reports the offer would be 145mil
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Jake Wesley MLB @mlb_nl_al · 8s 8 seconds ago
SOURCE: Red Sox are debating whether or not to extend higher offer on Jon Lester.If they do, @ColbyGuarino reports the offer would be 145mil
Colby appears to be 15, tops. We're through the looking glass?
Okay, now we've reached truly stupid money.
If Lester prefers the Cubs for $5 million more than the Sox are offering, just let him go.
If Lester prefers the Cubs for $5 million more than the Sox are offering, just let him go.
Media world flipped overnight and they didn't cover it. In other news, Kim Kardashian has woken up!JohntheBaptist said:
No one is surprised!
So this is going to end at 6/150 for someone, huh?
So which is better- Lester at 6/110 or Lester at 6/150 plus Cespedes?
So which is better- Lester at 6/110 or Lester at 6/150 plus Cespedes?
glennhoffmania said:
This is where I am as well. 14 million is more significant for the player than for the team. If one of the parties should be expected to concede in this deal, it isn't Lester. If it's truly a question of 6/130 and 6/144 I won't blame him if he takes the latter offer.
pjr said:
Jake Wesley MLB @mlb_nl_al · 8s 8 seconds ago
SOURCE: Red Sox are debating whether or not to extend higher offer on Jon Lester.If they do, @ColbyGuarino reports the offer would be 145mil
Can we guess that Colby is basing this on the report that the Cubs offered $144, and therefore a new Boston offer would be "higher"?
I mean, seriously, who the hell is talking to these kids?
Depends on who you get from Cespedas trade.
Lester 6/150 plus Jonny Cueto > lester at 6/110 IMO
Lester 6/150 plus Jonny Cueto > lester at 6/110 IMO
Does Schrezer get less or more than Lester? Starting to wonder if 6/120 for Schrezer is the better value here if Lester pushes 150
southshoresoxfan said:
Well, it's been widely reported that Scherzer turned down 6/144 from the Tigers, so I really doubt 6/120 would be enough to get him.
Scherzer is probably the better pitcher, so it really depends how much more Scherzer can get. The two big advantages of Lester were that he's been here before and he was going to be cheaper. If he's not much cheaper the afvantages start to look slim.E5 Yaz said:
It's more like 6/150 plus Cespedes and a competitive balance pick. The pick is significant because it mitigates the loss off the second round pick the team lost for signing Hanley.glennhoffmania said:
David Kaplan @thekapman 9m9 minutes ago
Latest on Lester: Solid east coast non-team source told me Cubs being very aggressive (135+). Team has been in radio silence... Won't talk.
Latest on Lester: Solid east coast non-team source told me Cubs being very aggressive (135+). Team has been in radio silence... Won't talk.
The delay in Scherzer action is looking like a nice gamble. The 6/144 thing (plus his performance) all helps create the perception that Scherzer is the better pitcher, so when Lester's thing plays out and inflates past 6/150, Scherzer uses that as his starting point to open the bidding. I don't always think Boras is so great, but he's playing this one well.E5 Yaz said:
Edit: And I'm not sure how ivanamp comes to the opposite conclusion but maybe I'm wrong. Does Lester's inflated value actually bring Scherzer's down? I don't get that.
https://twitter.com/thekapman/status/537412560103178241"]9m9MartyBarrettMVP said:
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Latest on Lester: Solid east coast non-team source told me Cubs being very aggressive (135+). Team has been in radio silence... Won't talk.
Wonder if his source is Gammons who is still in communication with Theo and sai he thinks he ends up in Chicago
FelixMantilla said:
This is where I am. This has terrible contract written all over it. At $150m, thank him for services rendered and let him go to the Cubs. And no, it's not my money.
No I'm agreeing that in this case Scherzer will do better than what he turned down, IMO. But I'm just saying that in principle, just because a person turns down an offer, doesn't mean that a bigger one is automatically going to be there right months later. Scherzer took a gamble. I think it'll pay off for him. But it doesn't always.chrisfont9 said:
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