Do you have the numbers for how many runners Ortiz has stranded on base? Lately he's been amazing, but I seem to remember that happening a lot earlier in the season.Clears Cleaver said:
The offense has been horrible
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just to look at pedroia's "score rate" history:
2008 - 41.0%!!!
2009 - 40.9%!!!
2010 - 36.6%
2011 - 31.1%
2012 - 33.7%
2013 - 31.9%
2014 - 33.9%
I'd say the issue the sox are having are the 5-8 hitters in the lineup (no kidding!!)
2008 - 41.0%!!!
2009 - 40.9%!!!
2010 - 36.6%
2011 - 31.1%
2012 - 33.7%
2013 - 31.9%
2014 - 33.9%
I'd say the issue the sox are having are the 5-8 hitters in the lineup (no kidding!!)
InsideTheParker said:
Not exactly, but this data from bb-ref gives an idea of what he has done in various situations:
Runner on 1st
111 PA/96 AB (14 BB, 1 HP): 18 RBI with 7 HR among 32 hits, so 14 RBI were result of HR; 8 GDP
Runner on 2nd
45 PA/34 AB (11 BB--9 intentional): 7 RBI with 1 HR among 7 hits, so 2 RBI were result of HR
Runner on 3rd
16 PA/10 AB (5 BB--all intentional, 1 SF): 7 RBI with 1 HR among 3 hits, so 2 of RBI were result of HR
Runners on 1st and 2nd
42 PA/40 AB (2 BB): 20 RBI with 4 HR among 11 hits, so 12 of RBI result of HR; 2 GDP
Runners on 1st and 3rd
19 PA/15 AB (2 BB, 1 intentional, 2 SF): 12 RBI with 2 HR among 6 hits, so 6 RBI were result of HR; 1 GDP
Runners on 2nd and 3rd
0 PA/3 AB (5 walks--all intentional, 1 SF): 3 RBI but no HR
Bases Loaded
9 PA/6 AB (1 BB, 2 SF): 11 RBI but no HR; 2 GDP
It also should be noted that Ortiz is... to put it mildly, slow. As my friend said last night, glaciers move quicker.
The offense behind Ortiz has not been good. But he doesn't help the cause with his speed deficiency.
The offense behind Ortiz has not been good. But he doesn't help the cause with his speed deficiency.
Cuzittt said:
but is he THAT much slower this year versus the last six? One variable that would matter more wouyld be # of doubles and triples hit as percentage of hits. And also SBs, but a 12.8% "score rate" is absurdly low regardless of how slow he is. VMart is still nearly twice as high,. Dunn hits lower in the lineup and is 60% higher. neither is markedly faster than Ortiz. The guys hitting behind him SUCK
DrewDawg said:
Tony Clark hit 30 HR in 2005 and scored only 47 runs. Aside from Ortiz, so fat this season, Clark is the only player with 30+ HR who scored 50 or fewer times in a season going back to 1901.
If you raise the levels a bit, you find that Dave Kingman in 1975 is the only player to hit at least 35 HR (36) and score only 65 times. Overall for his career, he scored 901 runs and hits 442 HR, barely a 2 to 1 ratio.
OttoC said:
How the hell is that even possible? Clark had a great year that year too: 1.009 OPS, 366 OBP, so he was on base all the time. How did they have hitting behind him, Marc Sullivan?
That's insane.
Oddly enough it was Troy Glaus in most games, who had 97 RBI that year. Or Shawn Green, who had 78 RBI.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
At the beginning of the year he was batting 6th, so he had Royce Clayton, Koyie Hill, Jose Cruz, or Alex Cintron behind him.
Also, he wasn't a full time player either. He split time with Chad Tracy at first. Clark played in 130 games, started 77, and racked up 393 PAs.
This is on b-ref. He's been up with 334 runners on base and 64 of them scored (19.16%). Last year he was 73/441 or 16.55%. His best season is 2004 with 101/477, or 21.17%, and for his career he's at 17.77%.InsideTheParker said:
This doesn't take into account the speed of the runners or the base(s) they were on when he was up. My guess would be that makes this year more impressive since the players in front of him (usually Holt, Pedroia, JBJ) are largely hitting singles and none are as fast as someone like Ellsbury.
Also these aren't all necessarily RBIs, so if a runner scored on a double play or error it would be counted here.
Cuzittt said:
This is definitely a contributing factor when you look at the number of runs Ortiz has scored. There are times he get's thrown out trying to take extra bases that he has no business taking and times when you see him pull up into second and think, "Damn anybody else would have taken 3rd on that play." Classic damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess. Or as we so often say today Ortiz's speed is what it is. As for galciers moving faster......Last night Papi dropped a ball over the shift for a base hit. Clearly all it could ever be was a single, but Jesus H did anyone notice him getting out of the box? He jogged the first few steps and watched this blooper as if he were beginning his homerun trot. Something must have click and he picked up the pace a bit as he headed down the line, but when I saw him watching the ball I'm thinking, "Fuck he drops one over the shift and he's gonna get thrown out at first."
YTF said:
According to Fangraphs, his baserunning has been worth 5.8 runs below average (5.4 baserunning, 0.4 stealing, even though he has not attempted a stolen base this year). This seems like the maximum number of missing runs scored to his baserunning, right? Probably not even that much, as some of the run value will be due to making outs/not extending innings/others not scoring.
What is the record for most times being no-hit through 6 innings. I would have to think this team is close to that record.
I pulled a Harry Doyle last night when I saw the Box score.
"One hit? That's all we got was one goddamned hit? "
So depressing.
"One hit? That's all we got was one goddamned hit? "
So depressing.
I suppose it's mostly due to his illness this year but the criticism of Colbrun has been virtually non-existant this year. When a team goes from having the best offence in the league to the worst then there has to be something seriously screwed up on the coaching side.
I have no idea whether the hitting coach(s) bear responsibility here .. Colbrun did a fantastic job .. Judging by results - last year. But is he the coach for helping young players adjust to MLB? This year's results would seem to say no.
What stands out for me is that, when young players on this team go into slumps they STAY in slumps. X had an OPs north of .800 at the end of May .. And then completely and utterly collapsed. When JBJ started to flounder all the "adjustments" just seemed to make things worse. Even BROCKHOLT has drifted into an extended slump.
I think he will be re-assigned next year .. Or they bring in another Assistant Coach who's good with young players.
I have no idea whether the hitting coach(s) bear responsibility here .. Colbrun did a fantastic job .. Judging by results - last year. But is he the coach for helping young players adjust to MLB? This year's results would seem to say no.
What stands out for me is that, when young players on this team go into slumps they STAY in slumps. X had an OPs north of .800 at the end of May .. And then completely and utterly collapsed. When JBJ started to flounder all the "adjustments" just seemed to make things worse. Even BROCKHOLT has drifted into an extended slump.
I think he will be re-assigned next year .. Or they bring in another Assistant Coach who's good with young players.
Huh? Holt just came off a 12 game hitting streak. He's a 280 / 340 / 380 guy playing above his head.
Last year the Sox got great production out of bench / part-time guys like Carp, Gomes, Iglesias, and had good health that didn't force them to play mediocre guys a lot.
This year, they have 7 of the 39 worst AL hitters who have at least 150 PA (of 186 total):
By worst wOBA:
Middlebrooks 7th
Drew 8th
JBJ 12th
Sizemore 27th
AJP 32nd
D Ross 36th
Bogaerts 39th
This year, they have 7 of the 39 worst AL hitters who have at least 150 PA (of 186 total):
By worst wOBA:
Middlebrooks 7th
Drew 8th
JBJ 12th
Sizemore 27th
AJP 32nd
D Ross 36th
Bogaerts 39th
Plympton91 said:
Late to this comment, but Holt has a 58 wRC+ since the ASB and that's WITH a .293 BABIP (not the .395 mark he had before).
The ISO is down a bit, so you can argue the SLG has a bit of rebound room, but even assuming his BABIP ticks up to .325 given his LD%, but I still think it's tough to project him as a .720 OPS guy. He's likely closer to .700 there (perhaps a 90ish wRC+), but he still has value as a supersub who is adequate defensively at multiple positions.
I just wish the team would give someone like Betts a chance at the top of the lineup for a week or two.