The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

[8slim]

I think the bigger problem is that he has no big play Potential

This is so important. The reason why you endure the mistakes that an Allen or Hurts makes is because they have the ability to make up for them several times over. Their ability to make game changing plays nets you out to the positive vs. their errors.

That equation simply doesn't work for Mac. It seems abundantly clear after 2 1/2 seasons that he cannot make nearly enough game changing plays (positive ones, you smartasses) to more than offset his mistakes.

I suspect that equation would be a little more balanced if he had a functional OL and WRs who could catch and run. Which is why I'd never put all our offensive woes on him. But he still just ain't it.

 

[deythur]

This popped up online this morning and I thought it was worth sharing.

Trevor Lawrence since being drafted (1st overall, 2021):
• 42 games played
• 931/1457 (64%)
• 9,689 passing yards
• 46 TD’s
• 29 INT’s
• 85.3 passer rating
• 18 wins
Mac Jones since being drafted (15th overall, 2021):
• 39 games played
• 813/1223 (67%)
• 8,439 passing yards
• 45 TD’s
• 32 INT’s
• 87.6 passer rating
• 18 wins
Almost identical careers from these two 2021 QB prospects.

Maybe I don't watch enough Jags games (I don't) but I would not have expected the numbers to be so similar especially based on the hype around Trevor.

 

[tims4wins]

This popped up online this morning and I thought it was worth sharing.

Trevor Lawrence since being drafted (1st overall, 2021):
• 42 games played
• 931/1457 (64%)
• 9,689 passing yards
• 46 TD’s
• 29 INT’s
• 85.3 passer rating
• 18 wins
Mac Jones since being drafted (15th overall, 2021):
• 39 games played
• 813/1223 (67%)
• 8,439 passing yards
• 45 TD’s
• 32 INT’s
• 87.6 passer rating
• 18 wins
Almost identical careers from these two 2021 QB prospects.

Maybe I don't watch enough Jags games (I don't) but I would not have expected the numbers to be so similar especially based on the hype around Trevor.

But there's been a huge gap since late 2021.

Lawrence last 26 games:
595-887 (67.1%)
6,271 yards (7.07 Y/A)
36 TD
12 INT
95.3 rating
114 rushes for 524 yards
16-10 record

Mac last 26 games:
543-839 (64.7%)
5,570 yards (6.64 Y/A)
29 TD
24 INT
83.3 rating
79 rushes for 231 yards
9-17 record

And 6 of those Mac TDs game in the final four games of 2021.

Mac has thrown for 23 TDs in his last 22 games.

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

Yeah, TL was lousy in his first year and has gotten much better, Mac was good inning first year and lousy and getting worse since. Opposite directions.

 

[DJnVa]

Maybe I don't watch enough Jags games (I don't) but I would not have expected the numbers to be so similar especially based on the hype around Trevor.

The trend is not Mac's friend.

 

[deythur]

The trend is not Mac's friend.

Would it also be fair to say that the team around TL has improved and the one around Mac is continuing to crumble?

Im not saying they are the same but im still holding out hope that with an OL and some real receivers that Mac could be good.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Would it also be fair to say that the team around TL has improved and the one around Mac is continuing to crumble?

Im not saying they are the same but im still holding out hope that with an OL and some real receivers that Mac could be good.

Maybe a little, more coaching, he has a some explosive weapons but also tons of drops, fumbles and terrible route from that group
But also... Just watch the two play and it is clear who is much better, Lawrence does a lot with both his arm and legs to help his team thats Mac simply can't

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

It’s shocking how bad his footwork is. And nearly every throw his feet are wrong. It’s almost impressive.

Allowing him to keep starting is football malpractice.

 

[jsinger121]

It’s shocking how bad his footwork is. And nearly every throw his feet are wrong. It’s almost impressive.

Allowing him to keep starting is football malpractice.

I am continuing to start him to get a better draft pick and flush out the BB era in the process.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

I am continuing to start him to get a better draft pick and flush out the BB era in the process.

I think it’s a disservice to the players out there risking their health to continue to play a guy who cannot give them a chance to win. It’s utterly disrespectful.

 

[luckiestman]

I think it’s a disservice to the players out there risking their health to continue to play a guy who cannot give them a chance to win. It’s utterly disrespectful.

They did have a chance today.

Alternatives aren’t great.

 

[jsinger121]

I think it’s a disservice to the players out there risking their health to continue to play a guy who cannot give them a chance to win. It’s utterly disrespectful.

who cares at this point. They are 2-7. I don’t need to see this team win anymore games as I want most of this roster flushed away along with the coaching staff after the year.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

They did have a chance today.

Alternatives aren’t great.

Four straight punts and then the INT.

No chance whatsoever. I’d rather see Cunningham at this point. At least I dont yet know he’s not the answer. I know Mac sucks.

 

[NickEsasky]

Four straight punts and then the INT.

No chance whatsoever. I’d rather see Cunningham at this point. At least I dont yet know he’s not the answer. I know Mac sucks.

Who would you play? Zappe? He’s somehow worse. Cunningham? They tried to convert him to WR because he can’t be a QB in the NFL. Im with you that Mac sucks but there is no better alternative and sticking with Mac will still clearly get you a high pick.

 

[ManicCompression]

I can't think of a single thing Mac does well. He doesn't have a good arm, his pocket presence sucks, he's a bad decision maker, he doesn't make plays with his feet, he's a terrible leader... he's not even good at checking down, because there were multiple times today when Rhamondre was wide open underneath and Mac forced it to Henry or some other bad option. The whole theory of him is that he's a smart player, but in actuality he's Zach Wilson with Chad Pennington's arm.

 

[rodderick]

Who would you play? Zappe? He’s somehow worse. Cunningham? They tried to convert him to WR because he can’t be a QB in the NFL. Im with you that Mac sucks but there is no better alternative and sticking with Mac will still clearly get you a high pick.

I'd play Zappe or especially Grier, yes. Contrary to popular belief I think it's exceedingly hard to get substantially worse QB play than what they have right now. Mac sucks, he's not the future and he's not even the backup of the future considering his personality and makeup.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Who would you play? Zappe? He’s somehow worse. Cunningham? They tried to convert him to WR because he can’t be a QB in the NFL. Im with you that Mac sucks but there is no better alternative and sticking with Mac will still clearly get you a high pick.

As I said, it’s disrespectful to the rest of the team to keep playing a QB that literally can’t throw the ball at an NFL level.

I honestly don’t care who they play instead. At least they would be actually trying to get better play from the position.

 

[j44thor]

When did Mac start relying almost entirely off these touch lob passes? That to me is a bigger concern than the results, he is trying to reinvent the QB position in not a good way. I've see more of these rainbow lobs from him in a game than all the other QBs combined on a given Sunday. Why does he think this is a good idea?

 

[jsinger121]

As I said, it’s disrespectful to the rest of the team to keep playing a QB that literally can’t throw the ball at an NFL level.

I honestly don’t care who they play instead. At least they would be actually trying to get better play from the position.

It’s disrespectful to Slater and Andrews and that’s probably it. Those are the only real winners on the team outside of Jon Jones. Everyone else is pretty much a loser.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

When did Mac start relying almost entirely off these touch lob passes? That to me is a bigger concern than the results, he is trying to reinvent the QB position in not a good way. I've see more of these rainbow lobs from him in a game than all the other QBs combined on a given Sunday. Why does he think this is a good idea?

Because he’s a fucking idiot. I mean it, his football IQ is single digits.

 

[johnmd20]

As I said, it’s disrespectful to the rest of the team to keep playing a QB that literally can’t throw the ball at an NFL level.

I honestly don’t care who they play instead. At least they would be actually trying to get better play from the position.

There are QBs who are MUCH worse than Mac Jones.

You're being irrational. Mac isn't great, nobody is arguing that. But you think Zappe would be better? I don't.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

There are QBs who are MUCH worse than Mac Jones.

You're being irrational. Mac isn't great, nobody is arguing that. But you think Zappe would be better? I don't.

Mac is probably the worst starter in the league at this point. I didn’t argue for Zappe, but I did argue that a change needs to be made immediately. There’s little chance Grier or Cunningham are meaningfully worse than Mac and at least they’d be trying to figure out the position.

 

[sezwho]

When did Mac start relying almost entirely off these touch lob passes? That to me is a bigger concern than the results, he is trying to reinvent the QB position in not a good way. I've see more of these rainbow lobs from him in a game than all the other QBs combined on a given Sunday. Why does he think this is a good idea?

I think it was about week three last year, when he stopped wondering if the freight train was coming and just wondered when. Now that he has time he can't really seem to un#$% himself...but the WRs sure aren't making anything easier. Kind of Pop and pray for rain.

 

[johnmd20]

Mac is probably the worst starter in the league at this point. I didn’t argue for Zappe, but I did argue that a change needs to be made immediately. There’s little chance Grier or Cunningham are meaningfully worse than Mac and at least they’d be trying to figure out the position.

Brett Rypien, PJ Walker, whatever that guy's name in Minnesota is all took snaps today. There are plenty of QBs who are worse.

And what's the difference at this point? Play out the string and maybe Mac does something and they can trade him and finish 3-14 and get a new QB.

At this point, the season is lost.

 

[NickEsasky]

Mac is probably the worst starter in the league at this point. I didn’t argue for Zappe, but I did argue that a change needs to be made immediately. There’s little chance Grier or Cunningham are meaningfully worse than Mac and at least they’d be trying to figure out the position.

No they could be meaningfully worse. I mean they might not be but it’s well within the realm of reason. And who is is disrespectful to the line that can’t block consistently or the receivers who can’t catch?

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I am continuing to start him to get a better draft pick and flush out the BB era in the process.

Completely on board with tanking. Have been here for nearly a month already.

But you shut your whore mouth about BB.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

No they could be meaningfully worse. I mean they might not be but it’s well within the realm of reason. And who is is disrespectful to the line that can’t block consistently or the receivers who can’t catch?

The OL at least was fine today.

 

[jsinger121]

Completely on board with tanking. Have been here for nearly a month already.

But you shut your whore mouth about BB.

The roster is brutal. That falls on BB. I ain’t trusting him to rebuild this anymore as I’ve had 4 years of this and it’s going downhill. But thanks for the memories BB.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

The roster is brutal. That falls on BB. I ain’t trusting him to rebuild this anymore as I’ve had 4 years of this and it’s going downhill. But thanks for the memories BB.

Top defense signed through next season for less than 40% of the cap. Roster isn't brutal. Injuries, QB, and skill players are. Line has played a lot better the last few weeks.

 

[NickEsasky]

Completely on board with tanking. Have been here for nearly a month already.

But you shut your whore mouth about BB.

Where’s Bill showing up lately? Dumb penalties, bone headed plays, bad situational football. Game plans that lead to losses? I’ll give you injuries on the D but what else is he bringing to the table in 2023?

 

[jsinger121]

Top defense signed through next season for less than 40% of the cap. Roster isn't brutal. Injuries, QB, and skill players are. Line has played a lot better the last few weeks.

You overrate this defense then. They aren’t that good. This is a bottom 3 roster in the NFL. Take your rose colored glasses off.

 

[NickEsasky]

Yeah the defense can’t tackle either.

 

[rodderick]

There are QBs who are MUCH worse than Mac Jones.

You're being irrational. Mac isn't great, nobody is arguing that. But you think Zappe would be better? I don't.

The literally are no QBs who have started 3+ games who are MUCH worse than Mac Jones. Not one.

 

[Cellar-Door]

The roster is brutal. That falls on BB. I ain’t trusting him to rebuild this anymore as I’ve had 4 years of this and it’s going downhill. But thanks for the memories BB.

I don't think the roster is brutal
. The defensive talent is good, when healthy the line is mediocre. They have 2 starting caliber TEs.

What they don't have is any difference makers at WR or TE or QB. Trade Mac and Henry for Kelce and Mahomes and this team has 6 wins. It's hard to win without QB play, and the best way to manufacture QB play is elites playmakers.

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

The roster isn’t brutal? Where exactly are they even average? The offense has more JAG’s than Jacksonville.

Mike Gesicki may be starting caliber, but he’s yet to have a 40 yard receiving game for the Pats. Juju has 21 receptions and 140 yards. This is pretty pitiful.

 

[tims4wins]

The roster isn’t brutal? Where exactly are they even average? The offense has more JAG’s than Jacksonville.

Mike Gesicki may be starting caliber, but he’s yet to have a 40 yard receiving game for the Pats. Juju has 21 receptions and 140 yards. This is pretty pitiful.

Hey those 21 catches are basically Harry and Thornton’s production!!

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

The roster isn’t brutal? Where exactly are they even average? The offense has more JAG’s than Jacksonville.

Mike Gesicki may be starting caliber, but he’s yet to have a 40 yard receiving game for the Pats. Juju has 21 receptions and 140 yards. This is pretty pitiful.

They have a QB throwing beachballs to them. That likely has something to do with it.

 

[luckiestman]

The offense has more JAG’s than Jacksonville.

Great line

 

[NickEsasky]

They have a QB throwing beachballs to them. That likely has something to do with it.

Gesicki had Waddle and Hill taking all the attention last year and still didn’t put up numbers last year.

 

[Cellar-Door]

The roster isn’t brutal? Where exactly are they even average? The offense has more JAG’s than Jacksonville.

Mike Gesicki may be starting caliber, but he’s yet to have a 40 yard receiving game for the Pats. Juju has 21 receptions and 140 yards. This is pretty pitiful.

Offenses are more than the sum of their parts was the point. It's Why Juju could be good in KC and bad here, the offense is brutal because the roster is missing the most important top end player's that elevate it.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

You overrate this defense then. They aren’t that good. This is a bottom 3 roster in the NFL. Take your rose colored glasses off.

They're missing their best front 7 player and their 3 best CBs. The defense is really good.

 

[Petagine in a Bottle]

Well, the thought process that led to giving lots of money to guys like Parker, Smith-Schuster, Gesicki, Agholor, Jonnu and not to Hopkins (having a solid year despite no QB in TN) and even Myers seems like it need to be thoroughly examined. Pats will have money to spend this offseason- what makes anyone think that money will be spent wisely this time?

 

[BaseballJones]

They're missing their best front 7 player and their 3 best CBs. The defense is really good.

Gonzalez and…..who else is missing at the CB position?

Jonathan Jones played
Jack Jones played
JC Jackson played

Who are the other two “top” missing CBs?

 

[BaseballJones]

Well, the thought process that led to giving lots of money to guys like Parker, Smith-Schuster, Gesicki, Agholor, Jonnu and not to Hopkins (having a solid year despite no QB in TN) and even Myers seems like it need to be thoroughly examined. Pats will have money to spend this offseason- what makes anyone think that money will be spent wisely this time?

Because smart people can learn from their mistakes, and Bill is a smart guy?

 

[jsinger121]

Because smart people can learn from their mistakes, and Bill is a smart guy?

is he really a smart guy or did he benefit from Brady and much better coaches plus Ernie adams.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Where’s Bill showing up lately? Dumb penalties, bone headed plays, bad situational football. Game plans that lead to losses? I’ll give you injuries on the D but what else is he bringing to the table in 2023?

The mental lapses are absolutely tragic to me. The gameplan and offensive stuff just doesn't concern me as much. He's not calling the offense, Obrien is. It's why he was brought in. And we have no idea what the ceiling of this offense is with Mac Jones at QB.

It always kills me when Mac goes on his one drive a game where he makes good decisions and good throws. The offense looks like a real NFL offense, and suddenly people forget how "horrible" the line and receivers are. But in the other 95% of his shitastic game, well, what is Mac supposed to do with this terrible team around him!??!

 

[BaseballJones]

is he really a smart guy or did he benefit from Brady and much better coaches plus Ernie adams.

Are you being serious?

 

[jsinger121]

Are you being serious?

Yes I’m being serious. How’s his record without Brady as his QB?

 

[johnmd20]

is he really a smart guy or did he benefit from Brady and much better coaches plus Ernie adams.

Brady left the Pats and immediately won a SB. And then in the next season, he won a playoff game and almost had a miracle comeback in another. In his final season, he made the playoffs, too.

Since Brady left the Pats, Brady has more SB wins than the Pats have playoff wins. He had 5 playoff wins with Tampa in 3 years.

The Pats have one playoff game and it was a complete and utter disaster.

Belichick is amazing on defense, but he's absolutely awful on offense. It was Brady. You can see the problems on the offensive side of the ball since he left.

 

[BaseballJones]

Yes I’m being serious. How’s his record without Brady as his QB?

Are we going to go through this all over again? Really?