The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

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He is in the bottom third tier for athleticism and arm strength. Arm talent is different from arm strength. I’ll need to wait for tomorrow but his deep numbers this year compared to last dramatically improved. What didn’t improve unfortunately was the routine stuff. He’s way more mobile than Bledsoe. Mac is around Jimmy G, Carr, Stafford, Teddy B, Cousins, Geno Smith, level of athleticism. He’s better than Mike White imo. He’s just a tick below Tua.
Man, I respect the hell out of you and your analysis, but I’m shocked to see Mac being called as athletic as Bridgewater and Smith.
 

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Man, I respect the hell out of you and your analysis, but I’m shocked to see Mac being called as athletic as Bridgewater and Smith.
Neither of those guys at this point in their careers are athletic. Teddy is really slow. Geno is not good out of structure and takes a ton of sacks. I think he is something like 4th overall for sacks this year. He’s a pocket passer.
 

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I think he meant, he can put up a top 10 season in a perfect scenario, like Matt Ryan did that one MVP season with great talent and a great coordinator, well above any other year of his career, not that his ceiling is Matt Ryan talent every year.

Though... How in the world do you think Matt Ryan is a top 15 ALL TIME QB? He was arguably only a top 5-10 QB in the league once in his career.
Well aside from his MVP season, his 2018 season was pretty awesome:
- 69.4% (#4)
- 4,924 yds (#3)
- 35 td (#3)
- 7 int (#2 among qualified QBs)
- 1.2 int% (#3)
- 110.9 rating (#4)

He sure doesn't feel like a top 15 all time QB though.
 

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It’s a bad sign that Brock Purdy, a 6th rounder, looks roughly three hundred millions times more dynamic and effective than Mac ever has. Mac’s complete lack of athleticism of any kind simply doesn’t work in today’s NFL and the Pats are paying the price for their lack of vision.

He’s never even gonna be Chad Pennington.
Purdy is such an interesting study.

Purdy has a HoF LT, a top-5 RB, a top-5 WR (or whatever Deebo is), a top-3 TE, and a top-3 offensive mind coaching him. That makes it tough to fairly compare him to anyone other than other Niners QBs.

However, the Niners' offense looks better with Purdy than it did with James G or Lance, so I think Purdy may be special - way beyond what it looks like Mac will ever be.
 

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I really don't understand how Brock Purdy is so good. In college, in a so-so conference, his senior year he was good but not mind-blowing. High completion percentage (71.7%), but only 19 td and 8 int. I mean, not terrible, but nothing to go bonkers over. Small and not crazy talented. Here's one scouting report:

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Purdy broke 32 school records -- including passing yards (12,170), touchdown passes (81) and QB wins (30) -- and led seven fourth-quarter comebacks as a four-year starter for the Cyclones, who beat Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl his junior year after the 2020 season. "I think Purdy will [get drafted] just because he's a smart dude that made plays at Iowa State," an NFC executive said. "But he's f---ing tiny (6-0 5/8, 212). It's gonna be a, hey, this guy could turn into our 6-foot third-stringer in a quick amount of time and could be the No. 2 for a team that never loses their quarterback."
Purdy's 71.7 percent completion rate last season ranked fourth in FBS as he earned second-team All-Big 12 honors, though there are questions about his accuracy. His pre-draft interviews impressed NFL coaches. "He won a lot of games, a gamer, put up big numbers," an AFC executive said. "But I don't think his talent says he gets drafted. I think that's more, you like the guy, like what he brings to the room." Said an AFC coach: "To me, he was like a lesser Ian Book: a guy that's behind the 8-ball from a measurable standpoint, doesn't have high-end athleticism to make up for it. Just kind of a good college player that's going to have a long, uphill battle in the NFL."
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Obviously there are plenty of cases where a guy has a so-so scouting report and turns out to be better, and vice-versa. But nothing about him really screamed "NFL stud". So I don't really know what to make of him.
 

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Purdy is such an interesting study.

Purdy has a HoF LT, a top-5 RB, a top-5 WR (or whatever Deebo is), a top-3 TE, and a top-3 offensive mind coaching him. That makes it tough to fairly compare him to anyone other than other Niners QBs.

However, the Niners' offense looks better with Purdy than it did with James G or Lance, so I think Purdy may be special - way beyond what it looks like Mac will ever be.
I was at the game again today. He is just a really solid rookie. I can't speak to his ultimate upside, but he has absolutely operated the offense better this year than Jimmy G and Trey Lance. I think a lot of is that he was basically a 4 year starter at college so maybe the moment isn't too big for him (yet). He is definitely fun to watch and I really like watching him move in the pocket. He also has an all-world cast around him and a great offensive coach.
 

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I really don't understand how Brock Purdy is so good. In college, in a so-so conference, his senior year he was good but not mind-blowing. High completion percentage (71.7%), but only 19 td and 8 int. I mean, not terrible, but nothing to go bonkers over. Small and not crazy talented. Here's one scouting report:

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Purdy broke 32 school records -- including passing yards (12,170), touchdown passes (81) and QB wins (30) -- and led seven fourth-quarter comebacks as a four-year starter for the Cyclones, who beat Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl his junior year after the 2020 season. "I think Purdy will [get drafted] just because he's a smart dude that made plays at Iowa State," an NFC executive said. "But he's f---ing tiny (6-0 5/8, 212). It's gonna be a, hey, this guy could turn into our 6-foot third-stringer in a quick amount of time and could be the No. 2 for a team that never loses their quarterback."
Purdy's 71.7 percent completion rate last season ranked fourth in FBS as he earned second-team All-Big 12 honors, though there are questions about his accuracy. His pre-draft interviews impressed NFL coaches. "He won a lot of games, a gamer, put up big numbers," an AFC executive said. "But I don't think his talent says he gets drafted. I think that's more, you like the guy, like what he brings to the room." Said an AFC coach: "To me, he was like a lesser Ian Book: a guy that's behind the 8-ball from a measurable standpoint, doesn't have high-end athleticism to make up for it. Just kind of a good college player that's going to have a long, uphill battle in the NFL."
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Obviously there are plenty of cases where a guy has a so-so scouting report and turns out to be better, and vice-versa. But nothing about him really screamed "NFL stud". So I don't really know what to make of him.
I talked with a guy much more plugged into college football than me. Here is a summary of what he said. Purdy burst on to the scene as a Freshman starter and was really good his Sophomore year. His issue was he kind of regressed as a junior and senior. He told me that for several weeks each year he would still be basically unstoppable. A little more detail on his quote - "He posted a 94th percentile scheme adjusted pass efficiency as a true freshman".

Edit - here is an article that talks about scheme adjusted pass efficiency
https://www.rotoviz.com/2022/09/what-makes-a-good-quarterback-scheme-adjusted-pass-efficiency/
 
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Well aside from his MVP season, his 2018 season was pretty awesome:
- 69.4% (#4)
- 4,924 yds (#3)
- 35 td (#3)
- 7 int (#2 among qualified QBs)
- 1.2 int% (#3)
- 110.9 rating (#4)

He sure doesn't feel like a top 15 all time QB though.
yeah he did have a few others.
I think the reason some of the "total career" numbers love him so much is that he played 14 years in the new era, one of the few guys who came in right at the beginning of the new passing explosion era and has played the whole way. I think a lot of guys pass him over the next 5 years.

Purdy is such an interesting study.

Purdy has a HoF LT, a top-5 RB, a top-5 WR (or whatever Deebo is), a top-3 TE, and a top-3 offensive mind coaching him. That makes it tough to fairly compare him to anyone other than other Niners QBs.

However, the Niners' offense looks better with Purdy than it did with James G or Lance, so I think Purdy may be special - way beyond what it looks like Mac will ever be.
We'll see how it goes, but what separates NFL QBs who make it is being able to consistently play at a high level and deal with defensive adjustments once there is more film on you. Lot of guys have caught lighting in a bottle for 5-10 games on good teams (Foles comes to mind) and never again.
 

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Purdy is such an interesting study.

Purdy has a HoF LT, a top-5 RB, a top-5 WR (or whatever Deebo is), a top-3 TE, and a top-3 offensive mind coaching him. That makes it tough to fairly compare him to anyone other than other Niners QBs.

However, the Niners' offense looks better with Purdy than it did with James G or Lance, so I think Purdy may be special - way beyond what it looks like Mac will ever be.
Purdy and Jimmy G have virtually identical stats this season. Both at 67% comp %, Purdy is at 8.1 Y/A, Jimmy 7.9 Y/A. I'd say they are both largely system QBs playing in a top 3 system when you include the supporting cast. Ironically Jimmy G had a lower INT % this season which is usually his issue. It will be interesting to see if/when Purdy needs to throw how he performs given he hasn't had a 300yd passing game yet and over 250yds only once. He has done a great job doing what he has been asked he just hasn't been asked to do much.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't think Mac is that terrible an athlete? He has some mobility, we've seen him pick up some first downs running the ball, what I think he doesn't have is the quick feet and anticipation to move around laterally in the pocket to avoid the rush, but he isn't Drew Bledsoe out there.
i'd rather Bledsoe, at least until they found a Brady to replace him.:) I mean, Bledsoe is our second best all time QB? I don't see Mac supplanting him.
 

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Yeah the three INTs today....

1. Bad pass to Agholor. But let's be honest - Agholor gave that minimal effort and White impeded his path. Still...I'll put that one on Mac.

2. Pass to Henry. Not a good throw. Forced it and didn't hit his spot. But it was a very difficult situation and clearly Mac was taking a shot there. Also it was tipped and tons of times tipped passes like that just fall to the turf harmlessly. Of course it got intercepted.

3. Pass to Harris. Behind him but Mac was getting hit as he delivered it. Still, not a good throw. But even then, Harris reached down for it and inexplicably batted a pass at his knees UP into the air for (of course) an int.

So yeah, three picks, they all count, and none of the three were good passes. But it's unfortunate that they all ended up as picks.
I'm not sure what to think about the Agholor throw. We've seen in the past Mac have miscomminucations with Agholor and I wonder how much of this was the two not being on the same page vs Mac missing his throw.

At least a few of what look like bad throws by Mac are his receivers not knowing WTF they are doing. Romo highlighted one example of this from today's game. In zone coverage, Thornton ran past the soft spot in the zone where he would have been wide open for a short completion and Mac's throw was behind him, closer to where he should have stopped.

I think Mac's accuracy in the short game has been bad overall, but looks even worse than that because of the receivers.
Am I the only one who doesn't think Mac is that terrible an athlete? He has some mobility, we've seen him pick up some first downs running the ball, what I think he doesn't have is the quick feet and anticipation to move around laterally in the pocket to avoid the rush, but he isn't Drew Bledsoe out there.
I'm wondering if he has any lingering effects of the ankle.
 

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I think the case for Mac is if you combine his efficiency last year in the short and intermediate passing game with his success this year in the deep passing game you have a complete QB. He’s not flashy. You have to keep him clean and he needs to work in structure but you can go far with that kind of guy. Huge ifs though. Reason to be optimistic: he has a season of tape of each attribute that you can hang your hat on and this year the offensive structure and details were really bad for whatever reason. Reasons for pessimism: his physical limitations are obvious and he still has issues with post snap processing as well as bouts of inaccuracy in games this year that make no sense.
I don’t love his ceiling but there’s a scenario that he puts up top 10 numbers in a better situation. Call it a Matt Ryan kind of outcome. Personally I like dual-threat types or guys who are better out of structure but can also slay in structure which is why I’d like to see them draft an insurance policy who doesn’t have a limp dick for an arm like Zappe (Zappe is also not a guy who creates out of structure or who is athletic).
You've forgotten more about football than I know so please don't think Im questioning the accuracy of the bolded, but what are the stats that back that up? Because my gut tells me I kind of liked what I saw with regards to deep balls this season but the numbers I see don't really point to it.
 

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I think the case for Mac is if you combine his efficiency last year in the short and intermediate passing game with his success this year in the deep passing game you have a complete QB. He’s not flashy. You have to keep him clean and he needs to work in structure but you can go far with that kind of guy. Huge ifs though. Reason to be optimistic: he has a season of tape of each attribute that you can hang your hat on and this year the offensive structure and details were really bad for whatever reason. Reasons for pessimism: his physical limitations are obvious and he still has issues with post snap processing as well as bouts of inaccuracy in games this year that make no sense.
I don’t love his ceiling but there’s a scenario that he puts up top 10 numbers in a better situation. Call it a Matt Ryan kind of outcome. Personally I like dual-threat types or guys who are better out of structure but can also slay in structure which is why I’d like to see them draft an insurance policy who doesn’t have a limp dick for an arm like Zappe (Zappe is also not a guy who creates out of structure or who is athletic).
I am sure we’ll get this later, but what’s your initial view of the QB class this year based on these criteria? Anyone fit the profile that’s going to be around at #14 or later? They could draft and develop with Mac coming back but I do wonder whether BB is even around to see the fruits of that labor in two or three years.
 

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You've forgotten more about football than I know so please don't think Im questioning the accuracy of the bolded, but what are the stats that back that up? Because my gut tells me I kind of liked what I saw with regards to deep balls this season but the numbers I see don't really point to it.
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Look at this - of 20+ yard passes, of 40 QBs who qualify with 20% of snaps, Mac is 8th for going deep rate, 15.2%. On those throws he has an adjusted completion percent of 41.8% (2 drops). 4 TDs and 5 INTs but of those 5 INTs they are only putting 2 on Mac and yeah I think that is fair. We can go over which ones are his fault vs not but think about some of those ints like the Xavien Howard non-DPI call that was batted up in the air. That's not on Mac, for example.
 

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I am sure we’ll get this later, but what’s your initial view of the QB class this year based on these criteria? Anyone fit the profile that’s going to be around at #14 or later? They could draft and develop with Mac coming back but I do wonder whether BB is even around to see the fruits of that labor in two or three years.
If I remember correctly @SMU_Sox is a huge Anthony Richardson fan, who could potentially be there at 14
 

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Look at this - of 20+ yard passes, of 40 QBs who qualify with 20% of snaps, Mac is 8th for going deep rate, 15.2%. On those throws he has an adjusted completion percent of 41.8% (2 drops). 4 TDs and 5 INTs but of those 5 INTs they are only putting 2 on Mac and yeah I think that is fair. We can go over which ones are his fault vs not but think about some of those ints like the Xavien Howard non-DPI call that was batted up in the air. That's not on Mac, for example.
That's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Much appreciated. There's definitely a roadmap to success with him...and while it sucks he'd have to deal with 3 OC's in 3 years, I have to think getting a legit offensive mind in his ear for year 3 gives him a better chance of navigating that roadmap than another year with Patricia.
 

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I think one of the biggest issue with Mac and the offense was how bad he/they was/were under pressure:

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8 of Mac's 11 interceptions have come under pressure. When kept clean:

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Mac also couldn't scramble out of sacks - so it wasn't that it was his fault for the OL getting beat, and he was good at not actually holding the ball too long or running into sacks but he is also not as good getting out of sacks as other guys. Mac isn't an out of structure guy. Part of the reason Mac didn't have as much pressure is because of how much quick game they used - but that's a double edged sword because the quick game often was not very effective.


One type of throw Mac can't make that makes me worry about him is he doesn't have frozen rope over the middle kind of accuracy. He can hit some deeper shots by rainbowing the ball into a bucket. That's fine and good but you can't do that with throws you need to hit to say Hunter Henry on 3rd and 19 yesterday. Don't get me wrong - missing high where only HH can climb the ladder and get it isn't bad but the ball was either too far behind or ahead of HH for him to realistically have a chance at it. It's a tough throw but one that I think he struggles at. His line-drive over the middle intermediate stuff is not that great.
 

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Pretty clear I was talking in terms of mobility.
All I can see are sack numbers and Bledsoe was OK in his early years, actually better than Mac and TB12. Sacks are dependent on so many things though and 2 years is a small sample size. Has been pointed out here that a solid OL and better receivers (better play calling?) would help but Mac needs to get better at sack avoidance too, somehow (footwork, vision of the field).
 

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I think one of the biggest issue with Mac and the offense was how bad he/they was/were under pressure:

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8 of Mac's 11 interceptions have come under pressure. When kept clean:

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Mac also couldn't scramble out of sacks - so it wasn't that it was his fault for the OL getting beat, and he was good at not actually holding the ball too long or running into sacks but he is also not as good getting out of sacks as other guys. Mac isn't an out of structure guy. Part of the reason Mac didn't have as much pressure is because of how much quick game they used - but that's a double edged sword because the quick game often was not very effective.


One type of throw Mac can't make that makes me worry about him is he doesn't have frozen rope over the middle kind of accuracy. He can hit some deeper shots by rainbowing the ball into a bucket. That's fine and good but you can't do that with throws you need to hit to say Hunter Henry on 3rd and 19 yesterday. Don't get me wrong - missing high where only HH can climb the ladder and get it isn't bad but the ball was either too far behind or ahead of HH for him to realistically have a chance at it. It's a tough throw but one that I think he struggles at. His line-drive over the middle intermediate stuff is not that great.
This is my long term concern with Mac. You can't bring nothing to the table running, not have a top arm AND piss yourself under pressure. You need to be at least very good, if not elite under pressure to survive if you don't bring athletic skills to the table.
 

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If I remember correctly @SMU_Sox is a huge Anthony Richardson fan, who could potentially be there at 14
He is incredibly talented. I think he needs a year or so to sit but even then I am not sure. He isn't for everyone but I like his processing and his physical tools. He has similar accuracy issues that Lamar had and like Lamar he has a narrow and inconsistent base. I do not like Will Levis. JT O'Sullivan seems to think Richardson is QB3 and a first rounder.

I still have some hope for Mac but if you really want someone who can play like a Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc. - then Richardson is your guy.
 

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This is my long term concern with Mac. You can't bring nothing to the table running, not have a top arm AND piss yourself under pressure. You need to be at least very good, if not elite under pressure to survive if you don't bring athletic skills to the table.
Right - but to me I wonder how much of that is offensive structure (the vertical or no hots discussion), how much of that is the OL beats were almost impossible to get out of, how much of that is him not being good under pressure (he was actually good under pressure with the little he had at Bama), etc. I am not sure how much is on him minus the results have looked ugly AF this year. I don't know the answer.
 

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He is incredibly talented. I think he needs a year or so to sit but even then I am not sure. He isn't for everyone but I like his processing and his physical tools. He has similar accuracy issues that Lamar had and like Lamar he has a narrow and inconsistent base. I do not like Will Levis. JT O'Sullivan seems to think Richardson is QB3 and a first rounder.

I still have some hope for Mac but if you really want someone who can play like a Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc. - then Richardson is your guy.
FWIW, many mocks have Richardson going in the top ten to Carolina.
 

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FWIW, many mocks have Richardson going in the top ten to Carolina.
Every fucking year man I watch a dude who is supposed to go in the 2nd round or late first or whatever and the consensus hasn't caught up to the reality and I end up pissed off and disappointed. lol.
 

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He is incredibly talented. I think he needs a year or so to sit but even then I am not sure. He isn't for everyone but I like his processing and his physical tools. He has similar accuracy issues that Lamar had and like Lamar he has a narrow and inconsistent base. I do not like Will Levis. JT O'Sullivan seems to think Richardson is QB3 and a first rounder.

I still have some hope for Mac but if you really want someone who can play like a Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc. - then Richardson is your guy.
I’ve been watching his film. He makes some Allen-like throws. I’m all in for the lottery ticket. His counting stats were not great. Maybe this scares a few teams off.
 

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Every fucking year man I watch a dude who is supposed to go in the 2nd round or late first or whatever and the consensus hasn't caught up to the reality and I end up pissed off and disappointed. lol.
lot of variance, but Richardson to me always seemed like a guy who was gonna rise when they got to the combine/pro-days and said... "jeez this guy is so big and fast and strong, and he can throw it so hard" those guys rise.
 

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One type of throw Mac can't make that makes me worry about him is he doesn't have frozen rope over the middle kind of accuracy. He can hit some deeper shots by rainbowing the ball into a bucket. That's fine and good but you can't do that with throws you need to hit to say Hunter Henry on 3rd and 19 yesterday. Don't get me wrong - missing high where only HH can climb the ladder and get it isn't bad but the ball was either too far behind or ahead of HH for him to realistically have a chance at it. It's a tough throw but one that I think he struggles at. His line-drive over the middle intermediate stuff is not that great.
I actually think Mac has a stronger arm than we think, it's just that his mechanics are absolute shit. When he stepped into throws this season, everyone would start drooling at his potential, but 90% of his throws are off his back foot. He's too stationary in the pocket and doesn't move around to put himself in a good throwing lane. I don't think this is fixable, look at his Alabama highlights and you'll see the same.
 

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I actually think Mac has a stronger arm than we think, it's just that his mechanics are absolute shit. When he stepped into throws this season, everyone would start drooling at his potential, but 90% of his throws are off his back foot. He's too stationary in the pocket and doesn't move around to put himself in a good throwing lane. I don't think this is fixable, look at his Alabama highlights and you'll see the same.
I don't think he can throw it on a line to the outside, or really rip one over the middle. I think people make the mistake of thinking "strong arm = deep balls", Mac throws a good deep ball when he steps into it, but it's usually of the lob it out for a guy to run on variety. Mac's velocity does not impress me regardless of mechanics, he's got a bottom tier arm to me. Now, so does Kirk Cousins and he does just fine with it, so...
 

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Agree. Please don't confuse me with saying he has a strong arm. I just think it's stronger than it looks most of the time. His mechanics need a lot of work. I think BB thinks he can (or could) fix it. It was a good bet, but not coming to fruition.
 

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Right - but to me I wonder how much of that is offensive structure (the vertical or no hots discussion), how much of that is the OL beats were almost impossible to get out of, how much of that is him not being good under pressure (he was actually good under pressure with the little he had at Bama), etc. I am not sure how much is on him minus the results have looked ugly AF this year. I don't know the answer.
I agree with every part of this post, but especially the bolded. With all of the moving parts this year in the coaching staff and the OL, I'm not sure how anyone can be sure about their take here. I wasn't sure how anyone could be sure about him either way after last year either, but for different reasons.

They need to run a proper pro offense next year (test all parts of the field), with a proper OL (not necessarily elite but at least not awful), and with a proper coaching staff (i.e., an actual offensive coaching staff, not a first-time rocket scientist at the controls). Then we'll know.
 

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I wonder how soon it will be before we learn the makeup of the 2023 coaching staff.

If BB gets cute with ambiguous titles and roles again, and/or tries to pretend rolling out the same staff is a good idea because they will have “gelled” for a year, people are going to lose their minds.

RKK has to be aware of this and pushing for a clearly-defined, experienced-in-their-roles staff that’s settled ASAP, right?
 

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Silly season begins: Chris Simms suggested on PFT Radio this morning that the best thing for Mac might be for McDaniels to give Belichick a call and work out a deal to send Mac to the Raiders.
 

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Silly season begins: Chris Simms suggested on PFT Radio this morning that the best thing for Mac might be for McDaniels to give Belichick a call and work out a deal to send Mac to the Raiders.
The return of the Stiddy? A fifth founder? What can the Pats get for a broken in Mac?
 

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I’m no expert on QB mechanics, but does anyone else see that Mac isn’t stepping toward his target on throws?

Obviously a lot of the time, he hasn’t stepped into his throws due to pressure (leading to throws off the back foot, etc).

But in many cases, his lead foot bails out to the left, sometimes slightly, other times more so.

Here’s one example from yesterday:
View: https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1612339690803236864?s=46&t=piukbwh8c659NCXtvVQg4Q


Mac is standing on the left hash and the throw to Jacoby is 2/3 of the way to the right hash. But look at his lead foot: it lands to the left of his plant foot, so he’s not driving toward the target.

It’s been happening for awhile and it shows up in clips going back to his days at Alabama. And it isn’t always fatal by any means. His lead foot bailed on the huge near-TD to Bourne in last year’s blowout win against the Jets in Foxboro and the ball was right where it needed to be:

View: https://twitter.com/patsbuzz/status/1452638005802459143?s=46&t=piukbwh8c659NCXtvVQg4Q


But it makes me wonder whether this is a mechanical tic that, if addressed, could lead to more power and consistency on his throws or if it’s just part of who he is as a QB and not a driver for his challenges in 2022. If I’m seeing it, guessing it must be the latter since Tom House (or a competent QB coach) would have cleaned this up.

Can anyone with more expertise here (@SMU_Sox, @mascho) weigh in?
 

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I wonder how soon it will be before we learn the makeup of the 2023 coaching staff.

If BB gets cute with ambiguous titles and roles again, and/or tries to pretend rolling out the same staff is a good idea because they will have “gelled” for a year, people are going to lose their minds.

RKK has to be aware of this and pushing for a clearly-defined, experienced-in-their-roles staff that’s settled ASAP, right?
I dont see the big deal in all this. I could see a coaching shuffle like:

Judge takes over special teams.

Patricia remains one of OC or OL coach and does Ernie Adams stuff

They hire an OC or OL coach.

The one place I think they might go outside in a big way would be a QB coach.

Last year was about losing a lot of guys on the o-side of the ball in a short period (including many of the guys who would have stepped up) as they followed McDaniels.
 

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I dont see the big deal in all this. I could see a coaching shuffle like:

Judge takes over special teams.

Patricia remains one of OC or OL coach and does Ernie Adams stuff

They hire an OC or OL coach.

The one place I think they might go outside in a big way would be a QB coach.

Last year was about losing a lot of guys on the o-side of the ball in a short period (including many of the guys who would have stepped up) as they followed McDaniels.
Something like that sounds likely to me. It's pretty evident that BB really respects the football acumen of Matty P and Joe Judge--they're known quantities and I'd be pretty surprised if he just dumps them in the way he might ditch coaches who've been around as coaches less (eg Troy Brown or Cam Achord)--and it's a moral certainty he was ok with the offensive direction the time tried to go in, but at the same time supplementing them, refocussing them, etc. makes a lot of sense given how fucking terrible the team was last year.
 

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Silly season begins: Chris Simms suggested on PFT Radio this morning that the best thing for Mac might be for McDaniels to give Belichick a call and work out a deal to send Mac to the Raiders.
Seems to me that the Raiders will likely set their sights higher.
 

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The one place I think they might go outside in a big way would be a QB coach.
Would Kingsbury be big? If they bring BOB back, can he do both?

I could see Hoyer as well. They seem to value him in the clubhouse.
 

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I dont see the big deal in all this. I could see a coaching shuffle like:

Judge takes over special teams.

Patricia remains one of OC or OL coach and does Ernie Adams stuff

They hire an OC or OL coach.

The one place I think they might go outside in a big way would be a QB coach.

Last year was about losing a lot of guys on the o-side of the ball in a short period (including many of the guys who would have stepped up) as they followed McDaniels.
I just don’t think you can roll out Matty P on offense (either OC or OL) next year. Make him a special assistant or some such thing if BB likes him around and let that be an ambiguous role. I think Kraft will be pretty firm that they need an established offensive staff, and the carrot will be that he’ll spend on players to (try to) make it successful.
 

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I just don’t think you can roll out Matty P on offense (either OC or OL) next year. Make him a special assistant or some such thing if BB likes him around and let that be an ambiguous role. I think Kraft will be pretty firm that they need an established offensive staff, and the carrot will be that he’ll spend on players to (try to) make it successful.
Agreed. Put Matt Patricia in whatever role Ernie Adams had, make Joe Judge the special teams coach (which he's great at) and fire Achord into the fucking sun.
 

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I’m no expert on QB mechanics, but does anyone else see that Mac isn’t stepping toward his target on throws?

Obviously a lot of the time, he hasn’t stepped into his throws due to pressure (leading to throws off the back foot, etc).

But in many cases, his lead foot bails out to the left, sometimes slightly, other times more so.

Here’s one example from yesterday:
View: https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1612339690803236864?s=46&t=piukbwh8c659NCXtvVQg4Q


Mac is standing on the left hash and the throw to Jacoby is 2/3 of the way to the right hash. But look at his lead foot: it lands to the left of his plant foot, so he’s not driving toward the target.

It’s been happening for awhile and it shows up in clips going back to his days at Alabama. And it isn’t always fatal by any means. His lead foot bailed on the huge near-TD to Bourne in last year’s blowout win against the Jets in Foxboro and the ball was right where it needed to be:

View: https://twitter.com/patsbuzz/status/1452638005802459143?s=46&t=piukbwh8c659NCXtvVQg4Q


But it makes me wonder whether this is a mechanical tic that, if addressed, could lead to more power and consistency on his throws or if it’s just part of who he is as a QB and not a driver for his challenges in 2022. If I’m seeing it, guessing it must be the latter since Tom House (or a competent QB coach) would have cleaned this up.

Can anyone with more expertise here (@SMU_Sox, @mascho) weigh in?
I’m no expert either, but his footwork is atrocious. Footwork is incredibly important for a QB, so this is not good, nor is it new. Like, there are very specific steps a QB should take when coming out from under center.
I used to coach with a guy who was a QB, and he was constantly yelling at our QB (his son) to set his feet. The last time I saw Mac set his feet was, well, never.