I suspect your tank will be full for Brogdon as well if this trade goes down. Very good player but very flawed.Getting rid of MM is something every clipp fan has dreamed of for the last 3 years. My car is fueled up to drive him to the airport.
MM is one of my least favorite Celtics players ever. I couldn’t stand watching him play basketball and he seemed like kind of a jackass in the locker room/off the court as wellGetting rid of MM is something every clipp fan has dreamed of for the last 3 years. My car is fueled up to drive him to the airport.
I think that's unfair and clouded by the way the season ended with his injury. He fit his role in Boston without complaints and was a key piece to a team that was one win away from an NBA Finals appearance.I suspect your tank will be full for Brogdon as well if this trade goes down. Very good player but very flawed.
I think Chris Paul just gets bought out and then goes to LAC
Bought out yes, why would he go to LAC with Brogdon there?I think Chris Paul just gets bought out and then goes to LAC
Word.I think that's unfair and clouded by the way the season ended with his injury. He fit his role in Boston without complaints and was a key piece to a team that was one win away from an NBA Finals appearance.
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. Brogdon was a great fit for this team and played really well, but he is somewhat redundant with the emergence of DWhite. This feels like a really great use of assets and a really nice fit for this roster with KP.I'm struggling to find a downside of this trade for the Celtics; more rest for TL and Al, a guy who knows he needs to play well and stay healthy to get another big contract, more playing time for White... I like it.
I know it won't happen, but I think he'd be so good for this team in terms of providing a stabilizing presence. Not big minutes or a gamechanger or anything like that, just someone who could come in and get the team to take a fucking breath sometimes when the offense stops functioning.Bought out yes, why would he go to LAC with Brogdon there?
Yep, and they both need to get over the hump.I know it won't happen, but I think he'd be so good for this team in terms of providing a stabilizing presence.
I assume you mean cut? why buy him out of a contract that isn't fully guaranteed.I think Chris Paul just gets bought out and then goes to LAC
If CP3 wins a ring with the Celtics, Ryen Russillo might spontaneously combust from happiness.If this happens and the Celtics parlay CP3 as well after a buy-out. Would be A+ work.
This smells kind of like the "CP3 has been waived by Phoenix" reports that preceded him getting traded. I wonder if Zinger has "indicated" that he'd opt in, but hasn't actually opted in. So now that he might be traded, he says "Just to be clear, I'm going to need a little something beyond a one-year deal if you want me to opt-in. Otherwise, I'll just opt out and blow up your deal."View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1671605466273644544
Keith Smith saying that it appears likely to happen, but they have to work through:
1. Finalizing salary match (Celtics for example need to send out at least Gallo to match, LAC would have to add someone like Coffey, but that involves both those teams adding salary, so deal might expand).
2. Nailing down exact pick haul to WAS
3. Is KP going to get extended as part of the deal, if so at what number
Yes and get completely used on defense. He also called the team 'tight' after Game 7 which may not have gone down well.Then they watched Brogdon miss so many layups and call his own number far too often
Maybe, but rumours all week were he was gonna opt in because they didn't see a deal they liked.This smells kind of like the "CP3 has been waived by Phoenix" reports that preceded him getting traded. I wonder if Zinger has "indicated" that he'd opt in, but hasn't actually opted in. So now that he might be traded, he says "Just to be clear, I'm going to need a little something beyond a one-year deal if you want me to opt-in. Otherwise, I'll just opt out and blow up your deal."
Forget 6 months ago, it was less than 6 weeks ago that he shot over 50% from 3 in the series against Philly. Right up until he hurt his arm in game 1 against Miami, he had hit 95% of his ceiling with Boston. The circumstances that have made Brogdon disposable aren't really anything to do with him, necessarily. It's about 50% Derrick White taking a big step forward this year and looking like he might actually have some growth as a player left, and 50% TL/Horford looking like a pretty shaky center rotation for future playoff runs, due to age/injury.6 months ago not one Celtics fan would trade Brogdon for Porzingis.
Gallo would likely have to be part of the deal to make salaries work.Forget 6 months ago, it was less than 6 weeks ago that he shot over 50% from 3 in the series against Philly. Right up until he hurt his arm in game 1 against Miami, he had hit 95% of his ceiling with Boston. The circumstances that have made Brogdon disposable aren't really anything to do with him, necessarily. It's about 50% Derrick White taking a big step forward this year and looking like he might actually have some growth as a player left, and 50% TL/Horford looking like a pretty shaky center rotation for future playoff runs, due to age/injury.
If this move happens, it feels like we'd essentially be swapping out Brogdon/Grant/Kornet for Pritchard/Galinari/Porzingis. I'd be ok with that.
100% correct. Brogdon 44.4% from 3 is surprisingly forgotten. He was also OK-ish on defense before being injured.Forget 6 months ago, it was less than 6 weeks ago that he shot over 50% from 3 in the series against Philly. Right up until he hurt his arm in game 1 against Miami, he had hit 95% of his ceiling with Boston. The circumstances that have made Brogdon disposable aren't really anything to do with him, necessarily. It's about 50% Derrick White taking a big step forward this year and looking like he might actually have some growth as a player left, and 50% TL/Horford looking like a pretty shaky center rotation for future playoff runs, due to age/injury.
You're mis-reading that. Two separate thought processes..View: https://twitter.com/seandeveney/status/1671607585844219905?s=46&t=Yv-0viabFQl7Lk7DrSRbBA
@nighthob would be happy. Sean Deveney says the Celtics are using Grant as bait to get into the top 20 to take OMP
6 weeks ago I'd have done it in a heartbeat. Brogdon was good this year... Porzingis was a lot better, a LOT.Forget 6 months ago, it was less than 6 weeks ago that he shot over 50% from 3 in the series against Philly. Right up until he hurt his arm in game 1 against Miami, he had hit 95% of his ceiling with Boston. The circumstances that have made Brogdon disposable aren't really anything to do with him, necessarily. It's about 50% Derrick White taking a big step forward this year and looking like he might actually have some growth as a player left, and 50% TL/Horford looking like a pretty shaky center rotation for future playoff runs, due to age/injury.
If this move happens, it feels like we'd essentially be swapping out Brogdon/Grant/Kornet for Pritchard/Galinari/Porzingis. I'd be ok with that.
Meh, I’m not sure how sustainable that 3P% is year to year, and his defense fell off a cliff long before he hurt his elbow. He was constantly hunted during the playoffs and could not stay in front of his man to save his life. I don’t see that improving. I was also underwhelmed with his passing and play making ability.100% correct. Brogdon 44.4% from 3 is surprisingly forgotten. He was also OK-ish on defense before being injured.
Clipper Daryl will be much happier with Brogdon instead of MaMo
The stories about the turmoil when MM and his brother the other MM were on the Suns at the same time apparently are legendary.MM is one of my least favorite Celtics players ever. I couldn’t stand watching him play basketball and he seemed like kind of a jackass in the locker room/off the court as well
I am stunned he’s got this much value given that he suffered an elbow injury that ruined his playoffs.I suspect your tank will be full for Brogdon as well if this trade goes down. Very good player but very flawed.
He was fine getting switched on to bigger players, and held his own on the block BUT really struggled with quick guards (which always looks bad). Most defensive metrics suck but FWIW his DBPM was +.6 & his DWS was a +2.2 (two of his best scores over his career)Meh, I’m not sure how sustainable that 3P% is year to year, and his defense fell off a cliff long before he hurt his elbow. He was constantly hunted during the playoffs and could not stay in front of his man to save his life. I don’t see that improving. I was also underwhelmed with his passing and play making ability.
I'm very good friends with somebody that was involved in the Morris Twins' first agency (Pooh was their first agent). They were a fukn nightmare, smashed up hotel rooms were the normThe stories about the turmoil when MM and his brother the other MM were on the Suns at the same time apparently are legendary.
I thought his contract was guaranteed in order to make the money work for the Beal trade?I assume you mean cut? why buy him out of a contract that isn't fully guaranteed.
And then who's the point guard? Like it or not Smart is the best ball handler and playmaker of our current guards.Simmons trade idea: Marcus to Mavs for #10 and Hardaway, Jr.
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/.amp/news/marcus-smart-dallas-mavs-boston-celtics-tim-hardaway-jr-trade
I think about 25 million was guaranteed.I thought his contract was guaranteed in order to make the money work for the Beal trade?
My good buddy lives in PHX and is a massive Suns fan. He knows a decent amount of season ticket holders and a Suns employee or two…I'm very good friends with somebody that was involved in the Morris Twins' first agency (Pooh was their first agent). They were a fukn nightmare, smashed up hotel rooms were the norm
He doesn’t have a source. He read it on Shams Twitter.Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
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Per source, the three-team deal that would bring Wizards center Kristaps Porzingis to Boston is nearing the final stages.
I think it's kind of weird that last season the big talking point was that the Celtics needed another guard and ball-handler to make things happen for them in the playoffs after the offense stalled against Golden State...then we got Brogdan, he played well, but now we HAVE to get rid of a guard?Word.
I understand why folks are excited about KP, but I'm shocked at how much recency bias we're showing on Brogdon. Brogdon hit a lot of buckets for this team, and I don't love the idea of giving Pritchard any more minutes than we have to.
That said, I'm in.
We don’t HAVE to get rid of a guard, it’s just a question of resource allocation. White’s emergence makes Brogdon expendable, it’s pretty much that simple.I think it's kind of weird that last season the big talking point was that the Celtics needed another guard and ball-handler to make things happen for them in the playoffs after the offense stalled against Golden State...then we got Brogdan, he played well, but now we HAVE to get rid of a guard?
This is pretty fair, but a couple of things have changed, in no particular order:I think it's kind of weird that last season the big talking point was that the Celtics needed another guard and ball-handler to make things happen for them in the playoffs after the offense stalled against Golden State...then we got Brogdan, he played well, but now we HAVE to get rid of a guard?
Have to include letting Grant walk in that but still agree.Brogdon and Gallo for Porzingis is such a fucking win for Boston.
Part of that response was that I think @ElUno20 will be frustrated with what many here learned which is that Brogdon isn't a stout defender.I think that's unfair and clouded by the way the season ended with his injury. He fit his role in Boston without complaints and was a key piece to a team that was one win away from an NBA Finals appearance.