Thank you 2021 Red Sox

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After getting swept by the Orioles in the first series of the year, I was afraid we weren't going to have meaningful baseball this year. This team overachieved and got to within 2 wins of the World Series
Things ended in disappointing fashion, but I'm very grateful for the past couple of weeks of exciting postseason baseball and some good memories. Thank you for ending the Yankees and Rays seasons, for the Grand Slam party and an electric Fenway Park. See you next season.
 

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I think most here understood the flaws of the '21 team and understood our likely ceiling. Well that ceiling was smashed and we got within a few feet of the penthouse. The Sox were both an easy team to cheer for and an easy team to swear at. But they gave us a summer of scoreboard watching, meaningful games, and a fun WC race, which was not settled until the last day of the season. You folks know the rest. So thanks Sox for a pretty good year that exceeded my expectations.
 

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My long time dog has been deeply ill during this time. Can't thank the team enough for taking my mind off it. Thank you Red Sox, always a great product in Fenway and this year it helped me with a thing. They checked every box next to each one of my pre-season expectations. The wait for February begins.
 

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I felt guilty last year for not following along with every game played. Thank you for restoring my belief in the magic of sports. What an entertaining year and to think this is just the beginning of the Chaim chapter of the Boston Red Sox. I'm all in.

Sorry to hear about your dog amradio.
 

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A team that could be great and a team that could be less than great, as they showed us in the two halves of the season, and then showed us again in the two halves of the ALCS. But they kept it interesting and exciting all year long. After putting this together in a rebuilding year, I am excited to see what Bloom and Cora and co. will being us in seasons to come. Thank you Red Sox, and thank you SoSH for being a community that cares so much.
 

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Is this the easiest postseason exist ever? In the beaming light of day this afternoon I find myself disappointed, but nevertheless content. It was just a really fun, stupid ride we had no business being on. Like they snuck into the VIP section and made the most of it knowing full well they’d eventually get caught.
 

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There are years when your desire or ability to follow them fluctuates, particularly when you live a few thousand miles away, as I do.

After a year of pandemic and mostly dismal baseball (but green shoots if you squinted: 12-9 to finish! Verdugo! Dalbec! Houck!) I craved a full season of baseball I could pay attention to. And, finding myself still working from home, 4:00 was a nice time to begin winding down the work day in Los Angeles.

I didn’t need much. 85 wins and some progress from our young players would have been fine. But, as it turned out, these guys exceeded all expectations and were exceptional company as the spring turned to summer and then autumn crept in. I was able to, and wanted to, follow them more closely than any team since 2013 and that attention was rewarded.

There was delight at what we had found, and equally importantly what the MFY lost, in Whitlock with the murmurs beginning in spring training. There was the found money of a 9 game streak on the heels of being swept by the lowly Os. There was the comical Kriske walk off game. The Renfroe game against Tampa. The crazy comeback against the Tigers with a key dribbler from Franchy. The Arrauz game against Cleveland. The Travis Shaw game. Verdugo walking off the Tribe on a Saturday at Fenway. Schwarber crushing the Mets and the yellow jersey streak. Raffy turning the tide against the Nats on the last day of the season. Bogie’s bomb against Cole to set the tone. Nick Pivetta holding the line so Vaz could walk off Tampa. Kique becoming absolutely molten. Nate being Nate.

And the goddamn laundry cart. Godspeed guys, you were great company in 2021.
 

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I really liked this team. Contributions from so many guys who were clearly in it for each other. There was a point in February when I believed this team would be fighting to stay out of the basement...and they wound up two games from the World Series. I really liked this team!

And, it was awesome to see classic SoSH return!
 

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As a parent of a 7-year old, there are times they frustrate you so much but you still love them even more…

this team drove me nuts, but I love the players and what they achieved. I had very low expectations and I was wrong
 

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It was a blast to follow and cheer mightily for a flawed team that’s on the upswing and over-achieved significantly in their rebuilding year.

We had no business beating the Rays. But Pivetta (and Fenway) was magic, there was a ground rule double and bam the Rays fell apart. These guys were 2 innings in ALCS 4 from taking a commanding lead. Wow.

So glad I decided to opt in for the season ticket - and can’t wait for next year! (PS. I think Chaim and Cora know what they’re doing).
 

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This team was very fun to watch [most of the time] and there were many great and joyful moments. They also inspired great game threads that were fun to be a part of!
 

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Yes, a truly unexpected and enjoyable season. Closed out the MFYs and Rays (have they become the MFRs yet?) and made it damn close to the WS. Now, just a few key pick ups and let's go nest season!
 

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Outside of a few weeks after the All-star break, this team has been a joy to watch. They shattered my expectations at the beginning of the season and showed what a shrewd judge of talent Chaim is. I thought Kike, Renfroe, Pivetta and Whitlock were decidedly ho-hum, but each of them proved me wrong. Even Richards made valuable contributions to the team, and Christian Arroyo, when healthy.

Well done Sox! I look forward to seeing what next year brings. If Bloom can do even do half as well in this offseason, they should be in good shape.
 

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My second season being retired so I had lots of time to watch almost every game. Went to a couple to see them in Anaheim. Despite my bitching and moaning about them in game threads, they really did go further than we all expected and they came back from the abyss several times. Fun season overall. Pick up some depth and hope some youth gets injected and they could be in it next season. Great to watch games again with fans in the stadium. Sometimes you take these things for granted. Never again. Go Sox.
 

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This was a wild, up and down season. Started off terribly (losing three straight to Baltimore - doesn't get much worse than that), then got red hot for several months. Then hit that awful cold stretch where all hope seemed to be lost. Then finished strong and did enough to make the playoffs. And the playoffs were a very fun ride up til the end when the bats went completely silent.

Crazy year. Fun year. Tons of action. And personally, I got to see my first playoff game (the walkoff win in game 4 of the ALDS) at Fenway. Got to publish a Sox book. What a crazy awesome season.

Looking forward to the offseason and 2022.
 

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The long haul, seasons-change, "starts in spring when it's till cold and end in fall when it's getting cold again" was never more true than this year. I was still WFH when ST started; "when am I getting a vaccine?" was still an open question. For the first time in forever I listened to most of the ST games (more of which seemed to be on radio than in years past). I think that as a result of those circumstances I was much more invested in the season. And for me anyway, a month of generally-positive ST performances (not just the outcomes of the games) turned out to be good insulation against getting too down when things got dark. It was pretty clear that they'd be considerably better than 2020, just by having a major league pitching staff that was merely bad, instead of historically bad. A .562 in 2020 would have been 34 wins instead of 24. Even Richards's 6-7/5.22 as a starter would have been an improvement on some of what they sent out there in 2020.
And every time it looked like wheels were coming off, they restored order. Winning the last 2 at TB on 9/1 & 9/2, then winning the last one vs. TB at Fenway on 9/8 were real indicators that they were still a force, even though those wins came in the middle of a brutal stretch. .
 

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It's not quite beating the 2013 Tigers in the ALCS with Verlander, Scherzer, Anibal Sanchez, Foster, and Porcello, but how the heck did we beat the 100-win Rays!?! Some clutch hitting and pitching performances and astute managing.
 

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To me, in some ways the most remarkable stretch of the season was the COVID outbreak (remarkable but not so fun). Regardless of why they found themselves in the middle of it, the fact that they didn't just completely collapse as a team is an amazing testament. It went on for what - 2.5 weeks? The heart of it being from August 27-September 15. And during that time, they went 10-9. It wouldn't have been surprising if they had gone, like 5-14 in that time, and fallen out of the race.

This was Bloom and Cora at their most resourceful, and the team at its grittiest.
 

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Can't say much else that hasn't been said already....but what a joy to watch them. The October run was really exciting. The Fenway crowd starting with the MFY wildcard game had me feeling it was like 2003-2004 again. They had me believing they'd make it all the way to the WS. Despite the severe disappointment of the last 3 games of the ALCS, it doesn't overshadow what they accomplished this season.
 

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Can't say much else that hasn't been said already....but what a joy to watch them. The October run was really exciting. The Fenway crowd starting with the MFY wildcard game had me feeling it was like 2003-2004 again. They had me believing they'd make it all the way to the WS. Despite the severe disappointment of the last 3 games of the ALCS, it doesn't overshadow what they accomplished this season.
Nitpick but I don’t understand or agree with the comparisons to the 2003-2004 crowds. I was there for some of those games too. It doesn’t compare IMO. In 2003-2004 the crowd was still waiting for / expecting something bad to happen. The crowd this year was totally different - waiting for / expecting something good to happen, like the Schwarber GS. That, plus a more mocking / taunting / cocky type of attitude. Just a much different fan experience IMO.
 

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Nitpick but I don’t understand or agree with the comparisons to the 2003-2004 crowds. I was there for some of those games too. It doesn’t compare IMO. In 2003-2004 the crowd was still waiting for / expecting something bad to happen. The crowd this year was totally different - waiting for / expecting something good to happen, like the Schwarber GS. That, plus a more mocking / taunting / cocky type of attitude. Just a much different fan experience IMO.
Yes, I remember the 2004 crowds at Fenway, in games 4 and 5, essentially begging, imploring the Red Sox to win. Those folks in the front rows rhythmically pounding on the fence. The stakes were much higher of course ... I think saying the 2021 crowds (awesome as they were) are the greatest crowds ever is a bit of recency bias.

At the parade in 2004, at least in my experience, anytime a bunch of young fellas started chanting "Yankees Suck" they were booed or told to stop. No one wanted any negative or cocky shit. Just celebration.
 

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Nitpick but I don’t understand or agree with the comparisons to the 2003-2004 crowds. I was there for some of those games too. It doesn’t compare IMO. In 2003-2004 the crowd was still waiting for / expecting something bad to happen. The crowd this year was totally different - waiting for / expecting something good to happen, like the Schwarber GS. That, plus a more mocking / taunting / cocky type of attitude. Just a much different fan experience IMO.
This year was more cocky, agreed, but the energy/enthusiasm/electricity was similar. I was there during game 3 2003 ALDS and game 4 of 2003 ALCS and it was electric both times....you didn't get the feeling people were expecting to lose even if we all secretly were dreading it. Everyone chanting Ted Lilly's name in the 2003 ALDS was similar to the chanting we heard at Fenway this year too.
 

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This year was more cocky, agreed, but the energy/enthusiasm/electricity was similar. I was there during game 3 2003 ALDS and game 4 of 2003 ALCS and it was electric both times....you didn't get the feeling people were expecting to lose even if we all secretly were dreading it. Everyone chanting Ted Lilly's name in the 2003 ALDS was similar to the chanting we heard at Fenway this year too.
Ha, I was at the exact same games. Both were definitely electric. I remember the Sox scoring 2 in the bottom of the first against Clemens in 2003, Fenway was rocking, we all thought it was a repeat of 1999. Alas, didn't turn out that way.
 

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It's funny how much my thinking on teams like 2021's has changed since the championships. Prior to the WS victories a season like this one would have been absolutely brutal, painful and in the end just another footnote in the seasons of almost. Now it's been a fun ride, with a RED HOT start followed by a huge regression - ultimately finishing with house money in the entire playoff run. I expected absolutely nothing of them in the playoffs frankly and they turned it into a fun run, until the fatal flaws once again returned at the worst possible time. Much like their season, they got red hot in early parts of the playoffs then hit a blip and ran out of time to try and get it rolling again.

Ending the season the last team standing in the AL East would have been IMHO thought of as the best possible scenario going into 2021, hats off to the team! Looking forward to what Bloom does over the next few seasons as there are some important decisions coming that will likely set the foundation for the next run.
 

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It was a great ride. Thanks for the entertaining season, 2021 Red Sox. Everything from the first game of the WSH series through ALCS3 was bloody delightful, especially. Ousting the two main division rivals (recently, at least) takes a lot of the sting out.
 

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Every game after 162 was double bonus baseball. I knew they lacked the bullpen depth and sooner or later someone would be sharp enough to exploit hitting weaknesses. But man was it it fun to see them roll through two very good teams and come this close to a World Series berth.

It was a great ride.
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
1999, no question at all.
Pedro in the ALDS was the stuff of legends.
Not to mention the regular season.
Pedro during his time here was absolute drop-everything-that-you're-doing schedule-your-life-around-his-starts.

Honorable mention to 1995, when Tony Peña crushed me.
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
This is a really good question. 2021 definitely comes down as my favorite in the Henry era that didn't result in a title. Probably followed by 2003 (despite how it ended) and 2010 (Adrian Beltre and his antics salved a lot of injury-induced malaise with that squad).

In my lifetime though, 1986 was when I really fell in love with the team. It's the first I remember really following the team and knowing anything about the game. I still remember watching specific games and details from them, and I don't have that kind of recall for this year's ALCS despite watching every minute of it. I'd have to count that as my favorite non-WS season.
 

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MLB season is now officially done and who knows what next year may bring, especially with a potential labour dispute happening
I hope we see them back in time for Spring Training and this baseball season was really awesome, both from a personal standpoint and from a fan standpoint

Thank you 2021 Red Sox!
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
I think 2016 is an underrated year in retrospect - a lot of fun memories and great storylines. Papi's farewell, Pedroia's last great season, Rick fucking Porcello winning the Cy Young, Sandy Leon turning into Ted Williams, the emergence of Mookie as a world-beater... sort of gets lost in the shuffle, and probably a few pieces short of a true WS contender, but great to watch after the 2014-15 dumpster fire.
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
How about a new thread? Baby Jesus hates megathreads
 

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The team this year exceeded all of my expectations. Thanks for everything, team! Next season is gonna be even more fun to watch.
 

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This was an upside down year thankfully. Regular season was frustrating at times but the team saved the best for last. Absolutely enjoyable season as a whole!
 

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Regarding favorite non-winning-WS season: 1999 is up there, but I'll make a case for 2003. Theo's first year and a combination of Red Sox veterans continuing to be great, while the newer additions like Papi, Damon, Mueller, and Millar brought this team to new heights. The ALDS comeback from 2-0 against Oakland was intense, including the Game 3 walk-off by Trot to stave off elimination and Derek Lowe's backdoor sinker to end it. 2003 ended with an all-time gut punch but then they got Schilling the next month and it didn't feel like previous years, where we didn't know if we would be there again.
 

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It prompts the question: Which non-WS-winning season was your favorite? Either they've been terrible, disappointing, surprisingly good but not great, or had heartbreak in the playoffs.

For me, 1999 was a pretty great year. 94 wins. PEDRO MARTINEZ. Having Nomar at the peak of his powers. The great comeback against Cleveland in the divisional series. The only real downside was being eliminated by the Yankees, which is always tough to take. But even then, we had Pedro dominating against Clemens. Not a great team, but a pretty great year.
I remember leaving Fenway the last night of the '99 ALCS. The Sox had been eliminated, but there was a feeling of optimism. The future would hold great things. I had never really felt that before. It took a few years, but it happened!
 
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Regarding favorite non-winning-WS season: 1999 is up there, but I'll make a case for 2003. Theo's first year and a combination of Red Sox veterans continuing to be great, while the newer additions like Papi, Damon, Mueller, and Millar brought this team to new heights. The ALDS comeback from 2-0 against Oakland was intense, including the Game 3 walk-off by Trot to stave off elimination and Derek Lowe's backdoor sinker to end it. 2003 ended with an all-time gut punch but then they got Schilling the next month and it didn't feel like previous years, where we didn't know if we would be there again.
For me it will always be 1967. I know its verging on heresy, but to me, the difference between 1967 and 1966 is almost equivalent to the difference between 2004 and 2003.
 

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I remember leaving Fenway the last night of the '99 ALCS. The Sox had been eliminated, but there was a feeling of optimism. The future would hold great things. I had never really felt that before. It took a few years, but it happened!
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SO many favorite players I wish got a ring with the Red Sox. Pretty much the entire roster. Plus Mike Maddux would have gotten a ring, instead of Greg. And that’s funny to think about

I feel for Renfroe the most after this season. He had a great year and has now fallen short two years in a row. (So close in ‘20)
And Verdugo too.
Most of our veterans have championships, but something tells me Renfroe and Verdugo may have another chance soon.

When I compare this season to any other with regards to gratitude, only Francona teams can come close, because only Francona was on the same level as Alex Cora. And I enjoy the managerial element to a team.
He makes my imagination run the bases thinking about the kinds of words he exchanges with these players. I loved what I witnessed with Tito, but Cora has some inexplicable, unseen magic… and I am grateful for him. And grateful for Bloom and the ownership for being open to taking him back
 

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Pretty sure we had a thread on this, but I couldn't find it with my quick search. Anyway, it depends on your age/generation. For me, it was '75. Still had veteran leaders in Yaz and Tiant, all star in Fisk, solid SS with Rooster, the Gold Dust Twins. Knocked off the 3 time defending WS champion A's and took the Big Red Machine to 7 thrilling games. That arrow was screaming upward. (I was 10, so I didn't quite realize that our pitching was not good enough.)

I can admit that this season, I felt a bit more sanguine than most. Off an awful year and season in 2020, and after beating the MFY, it did feel like we were playing with house money. So, definitely in the top 10% of the past 45 (non-championship) seasons.
 

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If the question is, what's your favorite non-title season (as opposed to team), no pre-2004 year can qualify. Those seasons were all excruciating in the end. I grew extremely attached to certain teams and loved them and desperately wanted them to win, but It's like, what's your favorite axe-murdering? I guess I'm making a semantic distinction here between a team that one can love regardless of outcome, vs a season that's more about the subjective fan experience... but for me, the discussion has to start post 2004.

2008 has gone unmentioned so far. I'd put 2021 first and that one next. It's the only other squad that hit the sweet spot of being good enough to truly contend, but flawed enough that you didn't feel cheated by them losing. That team's fate was basically sealed when Beckett got hurt at the very end of September. Yet they fought back valiantly out of a 3-1 hole against the Rays to force a game 7, before falling to future Red Sox stalwarts Carl Crawford and David Taylor Price...
 

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I had the opportunity to thank Chaim in person before game 3 of the ALCS, his response was, "Thanks for sticking with us". We have now been spoiled to think that anything less than a championship is a lost season. The end of this season didn't really hurt though. Pre-season I had them at 85 wins and 4th place in the division. Fast Forward to October and I was able to go to a handful of playoff games including the Wild Card game. That was the single best crowd I've ever experienced at Fenway. I wasn't there at the 2013 World Series Game 6 which by all anecdotal reports was the only thing in recent history that rivaled it.

Beyond the great playoff crowds, it really just felt great to be back at Fenway. Going back to my first game was my first real sense of normalcy after being vaccinated, it felt great to be there and every time I went back this season.
 

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I remember leaving Fenway the last night of the '99 ALCS. The Sox had been eliminated, but there was a feeling of optimism. The future would hold great things. I had never really felt that before. It took a few years, but it happened!
The real crime of that off-season was not bringing in a complimentary pitcher and wasting Pedro’s great seasons.
 

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The real crime of that off-season was not bringing in a complimentary pitcher and wasting Pedro’s great seasons.
C’mon, they signed a former 20-game winner who also happened to be Pedro’s BROTHER.

I can still remember being disappointed by how that worked out. Sports are tough sometimes.
 

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C’mon, they signed a former 20-game winner who also happened to be Pedro’s BROTHER.

I can still remember being disappointed by how that worked out. Sports are tough sometimes.
Multiple 20 game winners. They also had Saberhagen! (who pitched pretty well in 1998-1999)
 

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C’mon, they signed a former 20-game winner who also happened to be Pedro’s BROTHER.

I can still remember being disappointed by how that worked out. Sports are tough sometimes.
Believe it or not, we already had Ramon in 1999, and he took a tough loss against Cone in game 2 of the ALCS when the bullpen let him down. Had high hopes for him at that point...

The pitching acquisitions of the '99-'00 offseason were Jeff Fassero and bringing back Pete Schourek... yeah. It is amazing the cast-offs and refuse they surrounded peak Pedro with. Sabes was good when he could pitch, if only that had been more often...