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GOODELL ON BRADY RULING: 'RIGHT DECISION'
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told Bloomberg TV, "We're obviously pleased with the court's decision [on the Tom Brady case]. We think that was the right decision. They were very firm in their decision that that was within our authority and the judgments were based on solid facts."

http://es.pn/1SpUByl

Solid facts? Am I missing something that hasn't been presented to date?

Also love the maximized exposure timing, to release this statement RIGHT at noon when people check ESPN. Good stuff NFL, good stuff indeed.
 

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Precisely. And it's not just owners' egos and wrath -- they get key buy in from the executives and coaches who are the objects of that wrath and have careers, long term contracts and millions of dollars to protect.

This is THE racket of the 21st century.
I also believe that Richardson, Jones and the other hard line owners were trying to completely bust the union during the 2011 lockout and were not happy that Kraft brokered a deal and than took a victory lap with Goodell on his dead wife's grave.

This was his comeuppance.
 

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I'll be forever thankful to Robert Kraft for bringing this franchise so much success but will always be forever annoyed that he let Goodell off the mat during the Ray Rice fiasco. Now, he's doing victory laps after a corrupt process at Brady's expense.
 

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I think many of the other 31 owners, while happy with the outcome here, are probably pretty upset at the process.
If the owners were upset at the process, one simple thing to do would be to ask to see the correspondence between the League and Wells. There was supposed to be an independent investigation. Lying to an owner should be upsetting.
 

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If the owners were upset at the process, one simple thing to do would be to ask to see the correspondence between the League and Wells. There was supposed to be an independent investigation. Lying to an owner should be upsetting.
Agreed. The attorneys on both sides probably put everything in writing. Good attorneys always talk explicitly about potentially embarrassing client topics in email.
 

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Agreed. The attorneys on both sides probably put everything in writing. Good attorneys always talk explicitly about potentially embarrassing client topics in email.
Finally, eight years after earning my JD, someone recognizes my methodology as that of a "good lawyer." Thanks, crystalline. I needed that pick-me-up today.
 

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Jenkins:

To date, we are still looking for a single shred of credible evidence that any human hand deflated the footballs in that AFC championship game. Where is the conduct? Much less the conduct detrimental?
Rhoden:

I am all for resisting and challenging authority. But the deflation scandal was never a noble cause. Brady was caught cheating and was uncooperative...
Excuse me while I walk outside and blow my brains out.
 

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I wonder what it's like to live in a world where words have no meaning. Like, I'm sitting next to a woman at work right now. Have I just been caught cheating? There's a woman on the billboard right in my line of sight out the window. Cheating? Fuckface C. Rhoden presumably came out of a vagina and I just read his article; have I been caught cheating?
 

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Agreed. The attorneys on both sides probably put everything in writing. Good attorneys always talk explicitly about potentially embarrassing client topics in email.
And they always love turning over communications with clients to people who "ask". They usually have nothing to hide and there's no basis to keep the other side from seeing the emails and such. Fair is fair.
 

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GOODELL ON BRADY RULING: 'RIGHT DECISION'
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told Bloomberg TV, "We're obviously pleased with the court's decision [on the Tom Brady case]. We think that was the right decision. They were very firm in their decision that that was within our authority and the judgments were based on solid facts."

http://es.pn/1SpUByl

Solid facts? Am I missing something that hasn't been presented to date?

Also love the maximized exposure timing, to release this statement RIGHT at noon when people check ESPN. Good stuff NFL, good stuff indeed.
This guy is an absolute d-bag. I guess solid facts can be many things. Goodell Biscotti Irsay Kensil and the rest of the inner circle of cronies can screw.
 

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Some of you guys really need to put down the keyboard, go outside and take a walk. Then, re-evaluate why you may have a heart attack by the time you are 50 years old.

Holy crap.
 

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The owners aren't simply "people who ask". The are the clients. If a majority of them want to see the communications, they will.
What indication do you have that a majority of them want to see the communications? And why are you infantilizing the owners by assuming they are blithering idiots and fools?

These guys know exactly what went on here and they are fine with it. That's the reality.
 

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Some of you guys really need to put down the keyboard, go outside and take a walk. Then, re-evaluate why you may have a heart attack by the time you are 50 years old.

Holy crap.
Shit. The NFL's PR machine has infiltrated SoSH! How far does this conspiracy go?!
 

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Yes, they were consistently told not to do specifically what they did. They were told that by the other owners, who were committing illegal collusion by saying that. The players had bargained for the uncapped year, expecting it to be truly uncapped. But the owners colluded to enforce an effective cap even in the uncapped year. Just because the owners were able to strongarm the players to avoid the players from bringing any actions on collusion doesn't mean that the Cowboys and Redskins were doing something wrong.
The argument of the league, as I have understood it, was that the contracts signed during the uncapped year were structured to impact other years, where there was a cap in place. That is a pretty legitimate argument on the facts of the situation---these were not one-year deals. At all relevant times the league management council was the body who determined cap interpretation, and at all points defined it in a way that made those contracts violative of the cap, including warning teams not to do exactly what the Cowboys and Redskins did. To put it in simple terms, teams could spend whatever they want during the uncapped year, but they could not spend in the uncapped year on multi-year deals that violate the cap rules in place those other years.

That is not to defend the league's penalties on the Cowboys and Redskins, which I thought were excessive, only to distinguish a knowing violation from a situation where there are no real evidence suggesting a violation even occurred.
 

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Some of you guys really need to put down the keyboard, go outside and take a walk. Then, re-evaluate why you may have a heart attack by the time you are 50 years old.

Holy crap.
Yup. War's over. Wormer dropped the big one.
 

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A question for the lawyers -
A 10-year old Pats fan has done an experiment with a football in cold weather, read Berman's decision, now sees it 2-1 the other way, 2-2 in total from judges, and this kid KNOWS the football was supposed to have lower PSI.
He asks you: how can this be okay in America? Brady didn't do anything wrong, and two of four judges agree with him. Assuming the kids knows you are a lawyer, what do you say?
 

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A question for the lawyers -
A 10-year old Pats fan has done an experiment with a football in cold weather, read Berman's decision, now sees it 2-1 the other way, 2-2 in total from judges, and this kid KNOWS the football was supposed to have lower PSI.
He asks you: how can this be okay in America? Brady didn't do anything wrong, and two of four judges agree with him. Assuming the kids knows you are a lawyer, what do you say?
 
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A question for the lawyers -
A 10-year old Pats fan has done an experiment with a football in cold weather, read Berman's decision, now sees it 2-1 the other way, 2-2 in total from judges, and this kid KNOWS the football was supposed to have lower PSI.
He asks you: how can this be okay in America? Brady didn't do anything wrong, and two of four judges agree with him. Assuming the kids knows you are a lawyer, what do you say?
In America, you are free to contract to do anything that isn't illegal. Tom Brady signed a contract to play as an NFL player, and as part of that decision, he also consented to be represented by a union. That union, in turn, signed a contract with the NFL that gave the Commissioner a huge amount of power to discipline players.

Nobody did anything illegal here. Sometimes people get a raw deal.

Use it as a lesson why he should always read the fine print, and never to presume that someone he doesn't trust gives a shit about him.
 

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A question for the lawyers -
A 10-year old Pats fan has done an experiment with a football in cold weather, read Berman's decision, now sees it 2-1 the other way, 2-2 in total from judges, and this kid KNOWS the football was supposed to have lower PSI.
He asks you: how can this be okay in America? Brady didn't do anything wrong, and two of four judges agree with him. Assuming the kids knows you are a lawyer, what do you say?
Jesus Christ. Brady isn't getting the electric chair. There is a lot of shit in life that's a hell of a lot more unfair than what is happening to Brady. Why does it take a lawyer to answer this?

I love the Pats and would love to punch Goddell in his fat face, but people need some freakin' perspective.
 

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Jesus Christ. Brady isn't getting the electric chair. There is a lot of shit in life that's a hell of a lot more unfair than what is happening to Brady. Why does it take a lawyer to answer this?

I love the Pats and would love to punch Goddell in his fat face, but people need some freakin' perspective.
"How can this be okay in America?" literally cannot be typed without begging the question of what, where, and when this idealized version of Okay America existed. How can this be okay in America?? Get the fuck outta here.
 

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The owners are the league?
In fairness if a large block of owners really wanted to get into the nitty gritty of the Wells report I'm sure they get to see them, whether they're technically the client of not.

I think an owner's more likely response is "Roger, you win the bet, I didn't think you could fuck the Pats and cement your power to do whatever you want under Article 46 at the same time. I'lll now turn over to you the customary amount of one dollar."

I'm not sure when or how they decided to punish Brady harshly but an appellate decision of this nature (i.e. affirming an arbitral decision and essentially confirming that Goodell can do whatever the fuck if he has some kind of cromulent-seeming factual basiss) was the endgame from day one.
 

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In America, you are free to contract to do anything that isn't illegal. Tom Brady signed a contract to play as an NFL player, and as part of that decision, he also consented to be represented by a union. That union, in turn, signed a contract with the NFL that gave the Commissioner a huge amount of power to discipline players.

Nobody did anything illegal here. Sometimes people get a raw deal.

Use it as a lesson why he should always read the fine print, and never to presume that someone he doesn't trust gives a shit about him.
And use it as a lesson to never, ever become a HOF NFL quarterback. Do you see what happens? It's simply not worth it.
 

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Jed? Tyrone? Wanna answer that?
Second time in this thread I've posted in jest and been asked if I was an old man yelling at clouds, so, no, I don't know how deep the conspiracy goes.

I will, however, cut myself off from this thread for the greater good.
 

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Second time in this thread I've posted in jest and been asked if I was an old man yelling at clouds, so, no, I don't know how deep the conspiracy goes.

I will, however, cut myself off from this thread for the greater good.
So you're saying that THEY got to you, huh?
 

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Jesus Christ. Brady isn't getting the electric chair....
Jesus Christ, Wiggum. Technically that would still be within RGs discretion under article 46. How's about we don't go throwing ideas out there?

Folks will move on. We're still in the mourning period.

Logistically, the timing is really not bad for this news. The union can consider what recourse they have, while the HC of the NEP has four months' lead time on plan B.
 

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Jesus Christ. Brady isn't getting the electric chair. There is a lot of shit in life that's a hell of a lot more unfair than what is happening to Brady. Why does it take a lawyer to answer this?

I love the Pats and would love to punch Goddell in his fat face, but people need some freakin' perspective.
Because you're making an excellent point, I'll give you my honest, respectful answer, otherwise known as my own perspective which is binding upon nobody else. Your phrasing regarding Brady not "getting the electric chair" is your central theme, and based upon that, you believe that most of the gang here need to calm down. Where I diverge from you is that my upbringing teaches me that embarrassing someone in public is tantamount to killing them (even if not by electric chair).

Goodell has publicly embarrassed Brady, and so by some corollary or extension of the Golden Rule, I feel a little as if I've been killed. Since I really don't like being killed, I'm personally hugely upset by the majority opinion of the Circuit Court and by Goodell's reaction to that opinion. Even though I'm really upset, I still am following your counsel to remain calm (which is my version of your "freakin' perspective") because I have a better chance of figuring out of what I can do to be supportive (especially to my colleagues on this board who want to put a fist through a wall or, even better, through Goodell) if I keep calm in the midst of being thoroughly pissed.

I'm less sure than you are at this moment that "...there is a lot of shit in life that's a hell of a lot more unfair than what is happening to Brady." There are certainly consequences of unfairness that are a lot more extreme than what is happening to Brady, but I'm not sure that there are many happenings that are more unfair in their general nature than the perversion of the system of justice in our country.

(...and just as an aside, I do realize that when I post on SoSH, I waive any privilege regarding not being embarrassed, so it's perfectly fair in my eyes if/when I get beaten up for my point of view here.)
 

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Because you're making an excellent point, I'll give you my honest, respectful answer, otherwise known as my own perspective which is binding upon nobody else. Your phrasing regarding Brady not "getting the electric chair" is your central theme, and based upon that, you believe that most of the gang here need to calm down. Where I diverge from you is that my upbringing teaches me that embarrassing someone in public is tantamount to killing them (even if not by electric chair).
So basically the two worst criminals in american history are Osama (for 9/11) and Allen Funt (for Candid Camera)?
 

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Where I diverge from you is that my upbringing teaches me that embarrassing someone in public is tantamount to killing them (even if not by electric chair).

Goodell has publicly embarrassed Brady, and so by some corollary or extension of the Golden Rule, I feel a little as if I've been killed. Since I really don't like being killed, I'm personally hugely upset by the majority opinion of the Circuit Court and by Goodell's reaction to that opinion.
This, man.......this is fucked up right here. And coming from that thing known as my perspective, your upbringing can go pound sand.
 

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People really need to stop with the "Fans of other teams take note; your team could be next" nonsense.

There is no team/organization/coach in the league with a bigger target on their backs than this one, the league office and other owners have had a hard on towards the Patriots since 2001. The team got whacked with a million dollar fine, the loss of a 1st and 4th round draft pick and their QB suspended for four games for nothing more than an equipment violation.

Does anyone really think if this was any other team that it would have come to this?

If you do, you're kidding yourself.

Talk about the fucking punishment not fitting the crime; they are paying now for perceived acts in the past.

This has more to do with Spygate/the feeling around the league that they got off easy and less to do with Deflategate; God forbid they do anything else while Belichick and Brady are still around, imagine the next series of penalties they'll pay.

There is no other team around the league opposing fans love to hate more than this one, looks like the league office feels the same way,

The league office has done off the field what few teams could do to the Patriots on it, the commissioner was bound and determined to take this team down no matter the cost or how long it took.

How truly pathetic.
 

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Because you're making an excellent point, I'll give you my honest, respectful answer, otherwise known as my own perspective which is binding upon nobody else. Your phrasing regarding Brady not "getting the electric chair" is your central theme, and based upon that, you believe that most of the gang here need to calm down. Where I diverge from you is that my upbringing teaches me that embarrassing someone in public is tantamount to killing them (even if not by electric chair).

Goodell has publicly embarrassed Brady, and so by some corollary or extension of the Golden Rule, I feel a little as if I've been killed. Since I really don't like being killed, I'm personally hugely upset by the majority opinion of the Circuit Court and by Goodell's reaction to that opinion. Even though I'm really upset, I still am following your counsel to remain calm (which is my version of your "freakin' perspective") because I have a better chance of figuring out of what I can do to be supportive (especially to my colleagues on this board who want to put a fist through a wall or, even better, through Goodell) if I keep calm in the midst of being thoroughly pissed.

I'm less sure than you are at this moment that "...there is a lot of shit in life that's a hell of a lot more unfair than what is happening to Brady." There are certainly consequences of unfairness that are a lot more extreme than what is happening to Brady, but I'm not sure that there are many happenings that are more unfair in their general nature than the perversion of the system of justice in our country.

(...and just as an aside, I do realize that when I post on SoSH, I waive any privilege regarding not being embarrassed, so it's perfectly fair in my eyes if/when I get beaten up for my point of view here.)
Holy hell. That is one fucked up upbringing you have had.

Edit: really, you are not aware of many happenings that are more unfair in general nature in American Jurisprudence than this one? You need to step away from the keyboard.
 

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Why does it take a lawyer to answer this?
Because, for a 10-year old, the question involves whether lawyers actively participate in a rigged system. "Justice" clearly is not the goal, at least for the two appeals court justices. Professionals lawyers have made peace with that, and I am curious how a 10-year old (yes, in the United States -- a first world, 1% problem, thanks for reminding me) gets comfortable with it, as well.

I know a bit about labor relations, so I have explained it to my kids as "that's the deal you agreed to. If it's not "fair" you shouldn't have shaken on it." And then I usually end up mentioning Doug Collins and telling the IOC to shove the silver medal up their behinds. And then I explain the courts aren't there to protect you from yourself. And then it's unions and etc.

If I offended your sensibilities, go read another thread.

never to presume that someone he doesn't trust gives a shit about him.
Thank you.

Edit: of course, I think he trusts me. Which has its own problems.
 

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A question for the lawyers -
A 10-year old Pats fan has done an experiment with a football in cold weather, read Berman's decision, now sees it 2-1 the other way, 2-2 in total from judges, and this kid KNOWS the football was supposed to have lower PSI.
He asks you: how can this be okay in America? Brady didn't do anything wrong, and two of four judges agree with him. Assuming the kids knows you are a lawyer, what do you say?
What is legal is not always moral, right, or good.
 

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Holy hell. That is one fucked up upbringing you have had.

Edit: really, you are not aware of many happenings that are more unfair in general nature in American Jurisprudence than this one? You need to step away from the keyboard.
Well, it is clear to me from his paragraph 3, sentence 2 that his definition of "unfair" is treatment that one doesn't deserve, not the severity of the outcome. Under that definition, yeah, it's kind of difficult to find something that is much more unfair. There isn't really any evidence that he did anything wrong, and in fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Perhaps it's easy to find examples that are equally unfair, as innocent people are screwed by the system every day.
 
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People really need to stop with the "Fans of other teams take note; your team could be next" nonsense.

There is no team/organization/coach in the league with a bigger target on their backs than this one, the league office and other owners have had a hard on towards the Patriots since 2001. The team got whacked with a million dollar fine, the loss of a 1st and 4th round draft pick and their QB suspended for four games for nothing more than an equipment violation.

Does anyone really think if this was any other team that it would have come to this?

If you do, you're kidding yourself.

Talk about the fucking punishment not fitting the crime; they are paying now for perceived acts in the past.

This has more to do with Spygate/the feeling around the league that they got off easy and less to do with Deflategate; God forbid they do anything else while Belichick and Brady are still around, imagine the next series of penalties they'll pay.

There is no other team around the league opposing fans love to hate more than this one, looks like the league office feels the same way,

The league office has done off the field what few teams could do to the Patriots on it, the commissioner was bound and determined to take this team down no matter the cost or how long it took.

How truly pathetic.
I'm not fully decided on the bound and determined vs simply inept (or a little of both!) part, but this is it right here in a nutshell.

- New money Bob Kraft
- Dick measuring contest amongst billionaires
- Pats kicking the shit out of everyone for 16 years (and counting)
- This face:



If they manage to claw back anything from this debacle, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 

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Everybody knows Tommy did nothing. Even me, as a fan of a rival, knows the guy did nothing. So, the real message is, if a rich boy like Tommy can get railroaded, any of us is fucked if someone with real power decides to fuck us. The judges were willfully ignorant in a high profile case. They were just straight up lazy. This country is fucked......until Trump!
 

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To up thread guy:

You can break out your Ouija board and ask the tens of millions of Americans who were dragged here in chains, bought, sold, worked to death for no pay, indiscriminately beaten or killed - under sanction of law- and/or those who were slaughtered by the hundreds, driven off their land and frog-marched across the country and forced to live on shitty land, etc. - under sanction of law.

They will agree with you, that a decision depriving a millionaire and a billionaire of a small part of their wealth, as part of a pointless power struggle among billionaires who run a game, is the worst injustice ever.
 

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Because, for a 10-year old, the question involves whether lawyers actively participate in a rigged system. "Justice" clearly is not the goal, at least for the two appeals court justices. Professionals lawyers have made peace with that, and I am curious how a 10-year old (yes, in the United States -- a first world, 1% problem, thanks for reminding me) gets comfortable with it, as well.

I know a bit about labor relations, so I have explained it to my kids as "that's the deal you agreed to. If it's not "fair" you shouldn't have shaken on it." And then I usually end up mentioning Doug Collins and telling the IOC to shove the silver medal up their behinds. And then I explain the courts aren't there to protect you from yourself. And then it's unions and etc.

If I offended your sensibilities, go read another thread.

Thank you.

Edit: of course, I think he trusts me. Which has its own problems.
As injustices go, this is cotton candy. Try explaining to a 10 year the horror of being executed for a crime you did not commit. Or being incarcerated for it for 20, 30 or 40 years. Explain further that the chances of this happening to you are astronomically greater than average if you are black, poor, or both.

Real lawyers here -- not pretend ones -- said this case could go either way. It went the wrong way, sadly.

Take it from real lawyers that this case is not Exhibit A in the annals of injustice. Or close.
 

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Well, it is clear to me from his paragraph 3, sentence 2 that his definition of "unfair" is treatment that one doesn't deserve, not the severity of the outcome. Under that definition, yeah, it's kind of difficult to find something that is much more unfair. There isn't really any evidence that he did anything wrong, and in fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Perhaps it's easy to find examples that are equally unfair, as innocent people are screwed by the system every day.
Yeah, my comment stands. The American justice system has a long and glorious history of railroading people who did absolutely nothing wrong, particularly if you happen to have a darker skin tone than most or couldn't afford a good lawyer. To say nothing of the many years when it was legal to own other people (although maybe that doesn't qualify in your world since technically the slave owners weren't breaking any laws),

Honestly I don't think anyone loves the Pats more than me and this thread is completely bonkers. The guy is going to miss four games. It sucks and is completely unfair, but it isn't some travesty of justice on any kind of historic scale.
 

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To down thread guy (the board told me you were talking to me):

I was talking about 2016. Obviously, you can't compare Deflategate to slavery. But again, as horrible as those acts were, I still think you're co-mingling severity of outcome here. None of the parties in question did anything to deserve the outcome, which is the point. You might not like @bernardsamuel 's definition of "unfair", but he clearly set the context in his post.
 

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I think fans of a few other teams already do see this can happen to them too. Saints. Phins. Skins. Boys. And now the Chiefs

The list is growing
 

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Yeah, my comment stands. The American justice system has a long and glorious history of railroading people who did absolutely nothing wrong, particularly if you happen to have a darker skin tone than most or couldn't afford a good lawyer. To say nothing of the many years when it was legal to own other people (although maybe that doesn't qualify in your world since technically the slave owners weren't breaking any laws),

Honestly I don't think anyone loves the Pats more than me and this thread is completely bonkers. The guy is going to miss four games. It sucks and is completely unfair, but it isn't some travesty of justice on any kind of historic scale.
The Brady story, though, is a nice allegory for the ways that the wealthy and powerful can railroad people on the way to increasing their wealth.

And also allegory for how effectively media can be used (in this case mainly ESPN and the NFL Network) to persuade most of the country that this is about Tom Brady cheating, and not about the NFL owners trying to increase profits.

It's a perfect teaching moment for kids who are not billionaires to learn about US politics.
 

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The "get some perspective" angle is comical.

We're talking about sports which by definition is talking about entertainment and something that we all know, or should know, is not life and death.

That said, people here care enough about the NFL and their respective
teams to spend time talking about it fairly regularly and, as been observed, within the prism and context of the NFL, Tom Brady has been royally screwed. He's been labeled a cheater and is on the front pages of papers across the county with derisive headlines. And more. So sure, no one infected him with cancer or any such thing, but BernardSamuel is right that Brady has been publicly shamed for...freaking nothing.

It's a sports world gone mad. No one died. But within what we talk about here, it's pretty ridiculous.
 

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Or there are a million other cases where one side of the dispute isn't a millionaire with unlimited access to the absolutely best legal representation money can buy.
 

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To down thread guy (the board told me you were talking to me):

I was talking about 2016. Obviously, you can't compare Deflategate to slavery. But again, as horrible as those acts were, I still think you're co-mingling severity of outcome here. None of the parties in question did anything to deserve the outcome, which is the point. You might not like @bernardsamuel 's definition of "unfair", but he clearly set the context in his post.
I quoted you accidentally, sorry.