Suns' owner self-immolates

PedroKsBambino

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That team will be in really great shape if they can bring in a competent, respected owner.

Sarver’s public persona is unfortunately not inconsistent with that rumor
 

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That first example...yikes.

That second example was a big reason people were interested in the Celtics hiring Ime.
But as a result of the first example, I read "speak their language" in an entirely different (i.e. racist) context than I would otherwise.

edit: there are really almost 3 examples...1. use of the N-word 2. a young black coach can better relate to black players 3. "speak their language."
I guess my point is I don't view #2 as racist, and #3 can arguably be construed as not racist, but when coupled with #1...
 

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I think the Suns stuff should be its own topic. This story and the fallout will dominate the NBA for weeks. Truly awful stuff, but I wonder if the owners are going to sign off on forcing a second sale.
 

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But as a result of the first example, I read "speak their language" in an entirely different (i.e. racist) context than I would otherwise.

edit: there are really almost 3 examples...1. use of the N-word 2. a young black coach can better relate to black players 3. "speak their language."
I guess my point is I don't view #2 as racist, and #3 can arguably be construed as not racist, but when coupled with #1...
Yes, I agree within the context of what we know about Sarver the second example can be viewed as him solely believing that a young Black coach could connect with you Black players because Sarver figured they were all the same. Which didn't work out, by the way, because Watson was hated and flamed out quickly.
 

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Because there was a lot less smoke with Starver in 2014. There was definitely some there, but he's added a few tires.
Also, because his stuff wasn't public. If Sterling didn't get caught on tape he probably still owns the Clippers. In 2014 a story about an owner everyone had been saying was a racist slumlord since the 90s being racist doesn't take him down without audio/video. Much like DV stuff just kinda disappeared unless you got caught knocking a woman out on tape.
 

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This is the most savage quote for me:

Said a former Suns basketball executive: "There's literally nothing you could tell me about him from a misogynistic or race standpoint that would surprise me."
 

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This is the most savage quote for me:
Simmons used to have a gimmick called "The Tyson Zone" where you could tell him anything about somebody, no matter how crazy it sounds, and he'd believe it. Tyson of course was its namesake, but that is what it sounds like with these Sarver stories.
 

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Also, because his stuff wasn't public. If Sterling didn't get caught on tape he probably still owns the Clippers. In 2014 a story about an owner everyone had been saying was a racist slumlord since the 90s being racist doesn't take him down without audio/video. Much like DV stuff just kinda disappeared unless you got caught knocking a woman out on tape.
How long did it take the NBA to eject Sterling?

Sarver could hang on to the Suns for some time if he works through his lawyers, starts ripping "cancel culture" and runs to FOX News with "his side" of the story.

He'd whip up plenty of support by taking that route.
 

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I went to school with Sarvers children. He was (and obviously still is) a massive dick, even just in passing conversation
 

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Sarver responding with his version to a lot of these allegations is just...like I don't even know
 

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How long did it take the NBA to eject Sterling?

Sarver could hang on to the Suns for some time if he works through his lawyers, starts ripping "cancel culture" and runs to FOX News with "his side" of the story.

He'd whip up plenty of support by taking that route.
4 days to ban Sterling, 24 to file to terminate his ownership, about 3.5 months until sale completed
Recording came out on April 25th, he was banned on the 29th, League filed to terminate his ownership on May 19th, his wife has him declared incompetent, and when the league won't let her keep half the team and sell his half, she agrees with Ballmer on a deal on May 28, it goes to court, Judge decides against DOnald Sterling on July 28, issues final order on August 12, sale is completed.

Of course that had some unique issues...
1. No real dispute since it was recorded
2. Players threatened to boycott a playoff game (Doc Rivers convinced them not to).
3. Owner declared mentally incompetent so tough for him to fight it.
 

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4 days to ban Sterling, 24 to file to terminate his ownership, about 3.5 months until sale completed
Recording came out on April 25th, he was banned on the 29th, League filed to terminate his ownership on May 19th, his wife has him declared incompetent, and when the league won't let her keep half the team and sell his half, she agrees with Ballmer on a deal on May 28, it goes to court, Judge decides against DOnald Sterling on July 28, issues final order on August 12, sale is completed.

Of course that had some unique issues...
1. No real dispute since it was recorded
2. Players threatened to boycott a playoff game (Doc Rivers convinced them not to).
3. Owner declared mentally incompetent so tough for him to fight it.
Great recap. thanks

Hopefully they can get this guy out quickly, what a freak
 

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Deja vu for Chris Paul, have we heard from him yet?
"I feel like situations are different," Paul told reporters. "We dealt with that in that time when all that happened. I think right now, like Book said, we're not insensitive to everything that was said or whatnot, but we don't know all the details. So the NBA will do its investigation, and in that time, all of us on our team will continue to play and do what we do."
"I've been through a few situations in my time in the league," he continued. "The powers that be, they look into it. They do their investigations or whatnot, but I think the biggest thing that I've learned through all these years is that us as a team, we've got to talk. It's not about what everybody else is saying or everybody else is telling you to do or you should do. It's about how we feel as a team, as a unit, coaching staff, everybody within the organization."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/chris-paul-suns-trying-to-stay-focused-on-basketball-as-robert-sarver-investigation-launches/
 

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Deja vu for Chris Paul, have we heard from him yet?
Huge advantage for this Suns team to have Paul not only as a leader but as a leader who experienced similar with the Clippers. Good guy for those players to have around.
 

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I went to one Suns game. I got courtside tickets online. The tickets gave me access to the club for food and drinks. The cheerleaders were in the club and serving drinks, etc. They seemed to be gravitating towards male clients. I have not been to an NBA game in a while and that was the only time my seats were in such a rarefied location. I have heard from other the cheerleaders being in the club room pregame was not something they had seen elsewhere.