DFA Kelly Johnson and send him to the Giants for a bucket of balls. Their 2b sitch is UGGLY.
And yes, he'll clear waivers.
And yes, he'll clear waivers.
Why quote me then? I was responding to a post that approached this from a Yankee perspective and I provided an explanation why it was good from a Yankee perspective.The Gray Eagle said:Right, and my point was, if no one but the Yankees would gie us anything for Drew, why wouldn't we just keep Drew till tomorrow and put him on waivers then? Then the only way the Yankees get him is if they pay the whole rest of the salary, instead of Boston paying $1 million for Johnson and however much money they have to give the Yankees to get a player they want.
Because fuck the Yankees, why are we helping them? We should never send them one dime, just on principle. We just cleared Lester and Peavy and Lackey's salaries off the books, we could afford to wait and see if anyone would claim Drew, and then just bench him if no one did.
Plympton91 said:
Logical argument is not your strength, is it?
Now that I look at Craig, I see he has been playing regularly (just not well), so you're right, Carp should be a goner soon.Red(s)HawksFan said:Is keeping carp as Napoli insurance really all that necessary with Holt, Nava, and now Craig on the roster?
They'll need a SS next year and probably wanted to see how his bat plays in NY before paying him a multi-year contract to find out. This deal seems to be all about next season.JohntheBaptist said:Maybe I'm missing something but why didn't NY get Prado and basically sit tight? Hes actually played 2B. I know theyre going to use him in the OF but it just seems like such an odd way to attack their issues.
I am agreeing with you, but you left out the most important part, about fuck the Yankees.EvilEmpire said:Why quote me then? I was responding to a post that approached this from a Yankee perspective and I provided an explanation why it was good from a Yankee perspective.
You're saying that it would have been better for the Sox to put him on waivers and hope the Yankees pay full freight? I agree.
EvilEmpire said:They'll need a SS next year and probably wanted to see how his bat plays in NY before paying him a multi-year contract to find out. This deal seems to be all about next season.
Well yeah, that's true, but I think the Prado deal is more about next year and beyond too. He's signed through 2016 and like you said earlier, his bat plays better in the IF. I expect he'll be the started 2B next year through 2016.jon abbey said:Actually since Beltran is somehow incapable of playing the field, they need a RF too because Ichiro has been Roberts-level awful lately.
absintheofmalaise said:As entertaining as this is, you two need to take it to PMs.
And Nava was sent down to work on his swing because he had changed his approach at the plate and his swing mechanics and the best place to work on those was in the minors. He talked about it in an interview. I don't have time to search for it right now. That is very much different than Drew being very rusty and slow at the plate because he hadn't faced actual pitching all season.
EvilEmpire said:Well yeah, that's true, but I think the Prado deal is more about next year and beyond too. He's signed through 2016 and like you said earlier, his bat plays better in the IF. I expect he'll be the started 2B next year through 2016.
How quickly they forget Drew v2.0, the thread that wouldn't die.Frank said:Who knew a Drew could bring out so many emotions?
Dogman2 said:
Drew's past 28 days=very predictive going forward
Nava's first 28 days to open season=meaningless and not predictive and he never should have been sent down.
Transparency isn't your forte.
Reggie's Racquet said:I don't understand.
Why do anything to help the Yankees?
Even if it saves you 5 million dollars?
Why?
Reggie's Racquet said:I don't understand.
Why do anything to help the Yankees?
Even if it saves you 5 million dollars?
Why?
Plympton91 said:
The common denominator being that both have established track records that makes one predictive and the other not. The other key point being that Nava's first 28 days obviously were not predictive, i.e., I was right, again.
Also, it would be "consistency" you were looking for there, not "transparency" if you were to use proper English. Something that is obviously not your forte.
Please stop making yourself look like a moron.
SydneySox said:
Ugh.
Because we do things to help ourselves. If it was just helping the other team we wouldn't do it.
This is the sort of crap that the CHB fed for years. Thankfully we're past it.
Yeah those Yankees are one model organization. Might be a better fit for your team building philosophy.Plympton91 said:
In Nava's first week at AAA, he was 8-27 with a 2B, 2 HR, and 4 BB. Whatever adjustments were required, didn't take very long. On the flip side, when he was called up he was actually in a pretty deep slump (8-34, 707 OPS in the final 10 games), a slump that continued through his first 4 big league games post call up (1-14).
There's no evidence that whatever adjustment he made upon stepping off the bus in Pawtucket couldn't have been made while still in the major leagues. And even less evidence that he shouldn't have been recalled once the 10 day minimum requirement was met, as JBJ was in the process of putting up a 490 OPS in May.
Thank you for agreeing with me that Drew is more likely to be the player he was in July than the player he was in June. Nonetheless, I'm not criticizing the move from the Red Sox perspective. They get significant salary relief, which is probably worth more than any prospect they could have gotten for him and can be reallocated to bidding on the newest wave of Cuban free agents. This is a good deal for the Red Sox; it is also likely to be a good deal for the Yankees, who despite the wishful thinking of many here, are very much alive in the race for the 2nd wild card. Good for them, for once again going for it.
You held that back?! You bastard.Sprowl said:Now that I look at Craig, I see he has been playing regularly (just not well), so you're right, Carp should be a goner soon.
I have a sentimental attachment to Carp. I was hoping to use this gif for when Carp Plays
SydneySox said:Stephen Drew - the player no one wanted.
HOW COME WE CAN'T GET PLAYERS LIKE THAT?
And exactly how does this help us?SydneySox said:Ugh.
Because we do things to help ourselves. If it was just helping the other team we wouldn't do it.
This is the sort of crap that the CHB fed for years. Thankfully we're past it.
Huh?Reggie's Racquet said:It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
Reggie's Racquet said:So exactly how does this help us again?
Reggie's Racquet said:And exactly how does this help us?
This year is over...doesn't help us there.
If X needs to play more shortstop just sit Drew or DFA him or trade him anywhere else for nothing.
The player we got back from MFY doesn't help us.
It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
It helps the Yankees at second and shortstop at an important time.
It gives them a good look at Drew for next year.
It helps Boras with both Drew and Xander.
So exactly how does this help us again?
Well you are right as Red Sox fans with no ownership stake it doesn't help us. However the Sox got the Yankee's to take a player they didn't want and pay most of his salary. To do that we had to take a guy they didn't want who makes less money and who we will likely DFA at some point.Reggie's Racquet said:And exactly how does this help us?
This year is over...doesn't help us there.
If X needs to play more shortstop just sit Drew or DFA him or trade him anywhere else for nothing.
The player we got back from MFY doesn't help us.
It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
It helps the Yankees at second and shortstop at an important time.
It gives them a good look at Drew for next year.
It helps Boras with both Drew and Xander.
So exactly how does this help us again?
Reggie's Racquet said:And exactly how does this help us?
This year is over...doesn't help us there.
If X needs to play more shortstop just sit Drew or DFA him or trade him anywhere else for nothing.
The player we got back from MFY doesn't help us.
It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
It helps the Yankees at second and shortstop at an important time.
It gives them a good look at Drew for next year.
It helps Boras with both Drew and Xander.
So exactly how does this help us again?
DrewDawg said:
I can't believe I'm responding to this nonsense, but...
Saving cash does help the team. You may not know why but that doesn't surprise me.
The Sox now let X and WMB play 50+ games at SS and 3B. That helps the team for the future. You may not know why but that doesn't surprise me.
Your post is nonsense, wrapped in WTF, surrounded by fail.
SydneySox said:
You didn't acknowledge his point that this helps Boras as well. With Xander.
it doesn't for me.Drek717 said:So the Sox get Drew out of Bogaerts/Middlebrooks way and save ~$3-4M in the process? Works for me.
benhogan said:it doesn't for me.
We should of paid his full freight and got a prospect from someone and preferably not the MFY
Why do we care if we save $ for 2014
A bargain, they'll be paying Martin Prado more than $25M for the next two and a half years to be completely mediocre.StuckOnYouk said:The Yankees just dug up almost 5 million for two months of Steven Drew? After all the money cashman already spent this offseason? For Drew?
It's amazing what Hal lets cashman get away with.
Sorry I had not read this post, but this exactly SPOT ON.Reggie's Racquet said:And exactly how does this help us?
This year is over...doesn't help us there.
If X needs to play more shortstop just sit Drew or DFA him or trade him anywhere else for nothing.
The player we got back from MFY doesn't help us.
It saves Red Sox ownership 4.5 million dollars...that doesn't help us.
It helps the Yankees at second and shortstop at an important time.
It gives them a good look at Drew for next year.
It helps Boras with both Drew and Xander.
So exactly how does this help us again?
StuckOnYouk said:The Yankees just dug up almost 5 million for two months of Steven Drew? After all the money cashman already spent this offseason? For Drew?
It's amazing what Hal lets cashman get away with.
benhogan said:Sorry I had not read this post, but this exactly SPOT ON.
2014 is a sunk cost, we stayed under the salary cap so no problem with that for 2015.
There is no benefit, unless ownership comes out and says we saved $10MM by dealing these players at the end of 2014 and we plan on using that money to go over the salary cap by exactly that amount next year.
I've heard the ownership loud and clear, we will not get caught up in long term contracts for older players and thats fine/smart. I'm all for that, but when we go in SELL mode we need to re-invest the savings the following season. Otherwise we are just lining the pockets of ownership.
benhogan said:it doesn't for me.
We should of paid his full freight and got a prospect from someone and preferably not the MFY
Why do we care if we save $ for 2014
benhogan said:it doesn't for me.
We should of paid his full freight and got a prospect from someone and preferably not the MFY
Why do we care if we save $ for 2014
I thought there was a word filter for that, did it get removed?Rasputin said:
HAVE
Should HAVE
"Should of" is not a thing that means anything in this language.
Cellar-Door said:I thought there was a word filter for that, did it get removed?