SOSH Real Fantasy Draft: Draft Order, Rules, and Draft Thread
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Eduardo Nunez, Bench.
He's basically going to back up everyone except Molina.
He has been on a downward slide for a while, but he'll bounce back once I get him away from A-rod. All that A-rod touches turns to dust.
Scoops Bolling said:
I wasn't part of the draft till like Round 4... I'm sure if I had been I'd have built a huge exception list.
What's the thinking behind the exception list though? Why not let people pick whoever they want and just get criticised for it (Jimmy Rollins) if they do something dumb?
I've been assuming that if that happens the draft proceeds as normal and KFP can pick whenever he gets back onScoops Bolling said:
Its fine. Go on picking without me. Needto order food. I'll have my pick up in the next few hours.
SMU_Sox said:
10 shots?!? I got shit to do tomorrow.
I concede, you win. I will probably be done after 4 or 5 capt black and cokes...and damn loopy as a result.Im a cheap date these days, but back in college I would have taken that bet in a second...and made an ass out of myself as a result.
ahhh...college...
That was my original idea, but as others rightly noted, the more prospects you let people draft, the more prospect fucking that will go on, and the less interesting the exercise becomes...it's much more interesting to see people try and choose between a bunch of deeply flawed veterans than to see them grab some kid and say "eh, he's my backup MI and maybe he turns into something good!".SydneySox said:
Yeah that's fair enough I guess but there are obviously two sides to a coin. Real MLB franchises do have these options and it would be interesting to see a team draft a JBJR or an Aaron Hicks or whatever. I mean, we're not just focused on next year.
Doesn't matter, I know. But I wish I could have supported your original idea more strongly. Prospect fuckers can build prospect teams if they want but then they'd have been open to the criticism of this, Real Fantasy.
Doesn't matter, I know. But I wish I could have supported your original idea more strongly. Prospect fuckers can build prospect teams if they want but then they'd have been open to the criticism of this, Real Fantasy.
Could you do a reverse stipulation? They have to have one career ML AB or IP by the end of 2013 or poof! they disappear from your team.
Make it like a Rule 5 sort of thing? That'd be cool. Maybe you could give every team two Rule5* choices.
What if we started - and this is, btw, total spitballing - doing that at the top of round 20?
You'd have to seriously consider whether it was worth investing in a Xander B or a Jackie Bradley or whatever.
What if we started - and this is, btw, total spitballing - doing that at the top of round 20?
You'd have to seriously consider whether it was worth investing in a Xander B or a Jackie Bradley or whatever.
That would suck for a lot of people. Not me specifically. But there would be bitching.Frank said:
While my team has come along just the way I planned for it, one issue has emerged because of the particular group of players I've drafted: the lineup is far more productive against lefties than righties. Will Venable is pretty much the only guy in the lineup who is substantially better against RHP than LHP, and the lineup simply lacks much any thunder against righties. Had Chris Johnson fallen to me, I probably would have taken him to help address this problem, but with him off the board, I'm going to take another guy I've had my eye on for quite a few rounds now. He's another guy who can play a few different positions, and he'll probably get some starts at 1B, 3B, DH, and maybe even a couple in LF on my team. He'll also become my cleanup hitter against RHP, adding a bit more punch to the lineup. Wade Boggs' Cowboy Boots are proud to select...
Wilson Betemit, BP1
I still need a platoon partner for Venable, but there are a ton of guys still on the board who can play against LHP only, and thanks to my Ross selection it doesn't even matter what position they play because I can just slot them in as the DH.
Vs. LHP Career OPS
Eaton 0.891
Espinosa 0.814
Pacheco 0.842
Ross 0.928
Wieters 0.818
Jennings 0.763
Andrus 0.698
Chisenhall 0.696
XXX
Vs. RHP Career OPS
Eaton 0.737
Andrus 0.694
Venable 0.772
Betemit 0.824
Jennings 0.722
Wieters 0.722
Chisenhall 0.722
Ross 0.727
Espinosa 0.697
Wilson Betemit, BP1
I still need a platoon partner for Venable, but there are a ton of guys still on the board who can play against LHP only, and thanks to my Ross selection it doesn't even matter what position they play because I can just slot them in as the DH.
Vs. LHP Career OPS
Eaton 0.891
Espinosa 0.814
Pacheco 0.842
Ross 0.928
Wieters 0.818
Jennings 0.763
Andrus 0.698
Chisenhall 0.696
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Vs. RHP Career OPS
Eaton 0.737
Andrus 0.694
Venable 0.772
Betemit 0.824
Jennings 0.722
Wieters 0.722
Chisenhall 0.722
Ross 0.727
Espinosa 0.697
There have already been talks about doing a strictly minor league draft, like a 5 round or shorter, at the end of this. Not really sure what the consensus is on that though.SydneySox said:
I've been eying Betemit as a backup for the last few rounds. With my two best hitters at the corners and Aviles as supersub, it wasn't as important to me, but I like what he brings to your team.
Yeah. But I like the added intrigue of the Rule 5* thing.
Round 20 won't be for like 4 weeks in realtime anyway.
Round 20 won't be for like 4 weeks in realtime anyway.
That's true. Although, I feel like there should be a reshuffling of the draft order if something like that were to happen, and it would be easier to do at the end.SydneySox said:
MakMan44 said:
The *point* would be drafting players. I don't take your point... if you draft someone who doesn't play for 3 years then you fucked up and that's part of the look back.
I mean, no one actually wins this. Nothing about this is actually relevant. It's all a theoretical excercise.
I meant that going back and selecting players like a rule 5 draft thing would be pointless, wouldn't you be pulling them from people's rosters in that case?
I'm down for a prospect draft after this but a rule 5 draft a year later seems kind of pointless is all
I'm down for a prospect draft after this but a rule 5 draft a year later seems kind of pointless is all
MakMan44 said:
Huh?
I said maybe in Round 20 ... which is 2 and a half rounds from now... you could pick players who didn't make the exception list, the only proviso being that to be assessed later by the totally arbitrary and theoretical asessment process, if the player doesn't end up playing in 2013 then he never made your squad and you wasted your pick.
Honestly not that scientific. And a way to jazz up the draft in the later parts and also a way to balance against the not-Scoops-fault woefully underpopulated exception list that was created at the start.
Frank said:
As Andrew is evidently now ignoring PMs and the like, I think it's probably best to move on from his next turn and if he misses it 12 hours later we get someone to take over or just let Sumner -our overlord- pick him someone.
I want to make sure that I have a catcher in place in case Welington Castillo doesn't work out. this guy isn't great with the stick, but he's awesome behind the plate. If Castillo fails, at least theres someone there ready to pick up the pieces.
Kurt Suzuki, Catcher, Washington Nationals
Kurt Suzuki, Catcher, Washington Nationals
I remember when I went to Tokyo for the A's v Sox season starter and Kurt Suzuki kept getting addressed by the Japanese media in Japanese and getting the shits.
Sorry I misunderstood what you meant when you said rule 5 draft, I thought you meant something more akin to the actual rule 5 draft.SydneySox said:
Anyway I think a 5 round minor league draft after all this is probably just easiest to do
Now that I've completed my lineup and rotation with a couple bullpen arms, I'll throw it up to see what y.ou all think:
I specifically targeted players who had very strong walk rates and at least average defense. For some positions that was not possible, namely CF, 2B, and SS. However, in those situations, I tried to target a player who played strong defense. I got that in Gregarius and Jay, and I think Dozier, but he has yet to play 2B for a full season at the major league level. I'm a little light in the power department though, as no hitter is projected to hit over 30 home runs. I actually think Butler can do it this year and next as he will be in his prime but I don't think Swisher, Beltran, or Ludwick is capable of 30 home runs. However, I can expect this team to get on base between the 2 and 7 spots in the order. I love those walk rates, plus solid doubles power through that part of the lineup, so this lineup should have plenty of opportunities to score. I really like Blanco as a depth player since during pinch hit situations, he will boast a strong approach at the plate without any platoon split. He also has some speed too, which will come in handy too in pinch hit/run situations. I also think he is good enough to play during injuries or days off for my outfield.
The rotation is clearly more upside driven. I think Price is truly elite and will continue to pitch like it for the next few years. I know what I'm getting with Floyd and Santana. It is Buchholz and Doubront that are more questionable. I think Buchholz is who he showed us during the summer of last year: a contact/cutter pitcher. There is a risk that he doesn't bounce back and that would significantly weaken my rotation. Doubront needs to work on his control and it remains to be seen whether he can pitch at the level we saw early last season. I think he was simply tired later in the year, and that led to poor results. My closer and set up guys are high strikeout players, and both should pitch well in their roles.
I wanted a team that would compete for at least 5 years. Looking at it now, I think this team's sweet spot is actually 3 years. Going forward I'll need to draft some high risk high upside players if we do a minor league draft. If not, I'll be looking to add a corner bat in the next few years to replace Beltran and Ludwick. I'm also hoping that in the near future a better third baseman becomes a free agent so I can upgrade offensively at that position. Callaspo is a really good defender and has a nice approach, but he doesn't hit for enough power or average to be a long term solution at the position for my team.
| Batting order | Player | Age (opening day) | Position | Handed | ~wOBA | Career wRC+ | Proj. BB% | Proj. HR |
| 1 | Jon Jay | 28 | CF | Left | 0.328 | 116 | 6.9 | 8 |
| 2 | Alberto Callaspo | 30 | 3B | Switch | 0.314 | 95 | 9.4 | 9 |
| 3 | Carlos Beltran | 36 | RF | Switch | 0.350 | 121 | 11.0 | 21 |
| 4 | Billy Butler | 27 | DH | Right | 0.367 | 121 | 9.5 | 25 |
| 5 | Nick Swisher | 32 | 1B | Switch | 0.350 | 120 | 12.7 | 22 |
| 6 | Yasmani Grandal | 24 | C | Switch | 0.342 | 144 | 11.6 | 11 |
| 7 | Ryan Ludwick | 34 | LF | Right | 0.333 | 114 | 8.9 | 20 |
| 8 | Brian Dozier | 25 | 2B | Right | 0.289 | 64 | 6.2 | 6 |
| 9 | Didi Gregarius | 23 | SS | Left | 0.291 | 60 | 5.1 | 5 |
| Average Age = 28.8 | ||||||||
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| Gregor Blanco | 29 | OF | Left | 0.302 | 90 | 11.7 | 4 |
I specifically targeted players who had very strong walk rates and at least average defense. For some positions that was not possible, namely CF, 2B, and SS. However, in those situations, I tried to target a player who played strong defense. I got that in Gregarius and Jay, and I think Dozier, but he has yet to play 2B for a full season at the major league level. I'm a little light in the power department though, as no hitter is projected to hit over 30 home runs. I actually think Butler can do it this year and next as he will be in his prime but I don't think Swisher, Beltran, or Ludwick is capable of 30 home runs. However, I can expect this team to get on base between the 2 and 7 spots in the order. I love those walk rates, plus solid doubles power through that part of the lineup, so this lineup should have plenty of opportunities to score. I really like Blanco as a depth player since during pinch hit situations, he will boast a strong approach at the plate without any platoon split. He also has some speed too, which will come in handy too in pinch hit/run situations. I also think he is good enough to play during injuries or days off for my outfield.
| Rotation Slot | Player | Age (opening day) | Handed | ~ERA | ~FIP | ~IP | K/9 | BB/9 | K/BB |
| 1 | David Price | 27 | Left | 3.14 | 3.18 | 216 | 8.62 | 2.68 | 3.22 |
| 2 | Clay Buchholz | 28 | Right | 3.97 | 4.12 | 179 | 6.42 | 3.19 | 2.01 |
| 3 | Felix Doubront | 25 | Left | 4.15 | 3.97 | 167 | 8.18 | 3.68 | 2.23 |
| 4 | Gavin Floyd | 30 | Right | 4.09 | 4.01 | 171 | 7.06 | 2.80 | 2.52 |
| 5 | Ervin Santana | 30 | Right | 4.16 | 4.51 | 192 | 6.59 | 3.02 | 2.18 |
| Closer | David Hernandez | 27 | Right | 3.11 | 3.20 | 66 | 10.47 | 3.52 | 2.98 |
| Set Up | Antonio Bastardo | 27 | Left | 3.15 | 3.27 | 48 | 11.68 | 4.11 | 2.84 |
The rotation is clearly more upside driven. I think Price is truly elite and will continue to pitch like it for the next few years. I know what I'm getting with Floyd and Santana. It is Buchholz and Doubront that are more questionable. I think Buchholz is who he showed us during the summer of last year: a contact/cutter pitcher. There is a risk that he doesn't bounce back and that would significantly weaken my rotation. Doubront needs to work on his control and it remains to be seen whether he can pitch at the level we saw early last season. I think he was simply tired later in the year, and that led to poor results. My closer and set up guys are high strikeout players, and both should pitch well in their roles.
I wanted a team that would compete for at least 5 years. Looking at it now, I think this team's sweet spot is actually 3 years. Going forward I'll need to draft some high risk high upside players if we do a minor league draft. If not, I'll be looking to add a corner bat in the next few years to replace Beltran and Ludwick. I'm also hoping that in the near future a better third baseman becomes a free agent so I can upgrade offensively at that position. Callaspo is a really good defender and has a nice approach, but he doesn't hit for enough power or average to be a long term solution at the position for my team.
OK, this for me is a risk pick, especially with some capable backups and relievers still on the board. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he busts out of the league within a couple years, but my team construction lends me to taking a chance on him at this point in the draft. Some quick factoids about my current rotation construction
A) I feel like I have four solid rotation pieces in JZ, Minor, Holland, and Iwakuma
B) While I think Dylan Bundy is going to be sensational in this league, I'm not completely convinced he's going to be ready to take on a major league workload. Considering I reached for him early on, I have absolutely no interest in Dusty Bakering his arm and my hypothetical team will be coddling him Tampa-style, hopefully to fulfilling his ace potential
This puts me in the league for a fifth starter. Additionally, I feel like I have one really good reliever who can handle both sides of the plate, but is meant to mow down lefties. Ideally, this would be a guy who could make the move to the bullpen (unless he proves to be a successful SP, which I honestly have doubts about) and do a decent job in middle-long relief, and be a good swingman for when my pitchers get hurt.
So I'm taking a leap of faith here. This guy was pretty damned terrible last year. I mean, getting 170 innings and being a replacement level SP is rather tough. His HR rate sucked, his K%/K-Rate was historically bad (not even kidding, Rueter and Cornejo level), and even his more optimistic projectors have lost some faith. But for me, there are some things to like.
He has three pitches, none of which are great now, but the fastball has some major zip (sits in the low-mid 90's as an SP and I bet could ratchet to high 90's in relief), and the slider graded out as pretty capable in recent years. As a starter, I don't think his arsenal can work unless he learns how to place the change-up correctly (it's hitting too high in the zone and letting guys tee off on his other stuff), but we've seen FB-CHG and FB-SLD guys work in relief. He's good at avoiding walks and he has a very strong groundball rate, which I think all can translate into a decent middle reliever or ROOGY type for me.
Ideally, he'll start as my SP5 and transition to the pen. But he did show some flashes last year of being a decent SP (when he ditched the change) and if he can regain his mid-rotation potential (turning 23 this season), might become an SP of the future for my team. So yes, I am spending a draft pick on the holder of a historically bad K/9, Henderson Alvarez - SP
For now, Move Dylan Bundy to the BP, every other SP up a slot, and Henderson Alvarez at SP5
A) I feel like I have four solid rotation pieces in JZ, Minor, Holland, and Iwakuma
B) While I think Dylan Bundy is going to be sensational in this league, I'm not completely convinced he's going to be ready to take on a major league workload. Considering I reached for him early on, I have absolutely no interest in Dusty Bakering his arm and my hypothetical team will be coddling him Tampa-style, hopefully to fulfilling his ace potential
This puts me in the league for a fifth starter. Additionally, I feel like I have one really good reliever who can handle both sides of the plate, but is meant to mow down lefties. Ideally, this would be a guy who could make the move to the bullpen (unless he proves to be a successful SP, which I honestly have doubts about) and do a decent job in middle-long relief, and be a good swingman for when my pitchers get hurt.
So I'm taking a leap of faith here. This guy was pretty damned terrible last year. I mean, getting 170 innings and being a replacement level SP is rather tough. His HR rate sucked, his K%/K-Rate was historically bad (not even kidding, Rueter and Cornejo level), and even his more optimistic projectors have lost some faith. But for me, there are some things to like.
He has three pitches, none of which are great now, but the fastball has some major zip (sits in the low-mid 90's as an SP and I bet could ratchet to high 90's in relief), and the slider graded out as pretty capable in recent years. As a starter, I don't think his arsenal can work unless he learns how to place the change-up correctly (it's hitting too high in the zone and letting guys tee off on his other stuff), but we've seen FB-CHG and FB-SLD guys work in relief. He's good at avoiding walks and he has a very strong groundball rate, which I think all can translate into a decent middle reliever or ROOGY type for me.
Ideally, he'll start as my SP5 and transition to the pen. But he did show some flashes last year of being a decent SP (when he ditched the change) and if he can regain his mid-rotation potential (turning 23 this season), might become an SP of the future for my team. So yes, I am spending a draft pick on the holder of a historically bad K/9, Henderson Alvarez - SP
For now, Move Dylan Bundy to the BP, every other SP up a slot, and Henderson Alvarez at SP5
Given the construction of your team, I'm fairly shocked you went with Alvarez there over a couple veterans still available.
Veteran starting pitchers? I'll be interested to learn who they are as they come off the board.Scoops Bolling said:
Alright, I've got one particular guy I like a little bit better, but I'm going to roll the dice that he gets back to me.
The Blumpkin All-Star select Aaron Crow, RP
Aside from being in the exclusive 2-time 1st round draft pick club, he's been an All-Star and put up a 3.48 ERA / 2.96 FIP / 3.24 xFIP last season while K'ing more than a guy per inning with a nearly 3 K/BB ratio. He's 26 and improving. I think in many other non-stacked bullpens he'd be a closer or at least a premier setup guy right now.
The Blumpkin All-Star select Aaron Crow, RP
Aside from being in the exclusive 2-time 1st round draft pick club, he's been an All-Star and put up a 3.48 ERA / 2.96 FIP / 3.24 xFIP last season while K'ing more than a guy per inning with a nearly 3 K/BB ratio. He's 26 and improving. I think in many other non-stacked bullpens he'd be a closer or at least a premier setup guy right now.
Well I was all set to take Greg Holland until I realized he was already gone.
SO..... We'll go with another pitcher from the Royals pen.
His control could use some work, but he has a fastball that averages 92.7 from the left side, with a good curve and a decent change.
He also put up a ridiculous 12.01 K/9 in 69.2 IP last year, and is young at only 23.
Not exactly the traditional build at a "listed" 5'-7", but I'll take the chance,
TIM COLLINS RP
SO..... We'll go with another pitcher from the Royals pen.
His control could use some work, but he has a fastball that averages 92.7 from the left side, with a good curve and a decent change.
He also put up a ridiculous 12.01 K/9 in 69.2 IP last year, and is young at only 23.
Not exactly the traditional build at a "listed" 5'-7", but I'll take the chance,
TIM COLLINS RP
Collins might be 5-5. Might.
He was at the top of my board if he made it back to me as he's one of my favorite players in the MLB. The mighty mite! The ballistic bantam! I'd go on in that vein, but I didn't pick him, so I won't.
He was at the top of my board if he made it back to me as he's one of my favorite players in the MLB. The mighty mite! The ballistic bantam! I'd go on in that vein, but I didn't pick him, so I won't.
Point of order: There are no Redwoods or Cascades in Portland. If you're moving to Portland, you're the Moose or the White Pinecone and Tassels or the Lobsters or the Moxie or the Dirigo.Cellar-Door said:
If you want to move to some second-rate west coast city that was named after Portland, you'll have to specify that.
SydneySox said:
Scoops is the overlord, it's up to him. I just put things on the chart. Except for matters of Portland, which I adjudicate with an iron fist.
Great pick Cellar. My last pick came down to Schafer and Tiny Tim. I had half a write up done for Collins before I changed my mind. The walk rates scared me a little bit but damn does he miss a lot of bats to make up for it. I didn't want to hoard all of the young diminutive fireball pitchers from the Royals. I lie, I really did and was hoping he'd make it back, but I knew realistically it wouldn't happen.
If there's anyone watching this thread who'd be interested in taking over a team at this stage, shoot me a PM.
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