SOSH Real Fantasy Draft 2014: Draft Order, Rules, and Draft Thread
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I'm going to go the other way. Flores is a lot more valuable in fantasy than he is in reality, because his "versatility" comes from the fact he's a defensive nightmare no matter where you put him. I guess you can hide him at DH, but that's placing a larger expectation on his bat than I'd feel fully comfortable doing, and I'm actually a fan of his in terms of his hitting profile.
Eh, I'm happy with Flores as a defensively-limited lefty-masher at the very least. As for the defense could you point me toward some scouting reports or anything? Seems like he should be able to cut it at one of the corners, and it's to his credit that he's at least played some in the middle infield too.
I'm kinda glad someone took Flores to prevent me from trying him at SS, which would have made the paying audience riot in horrified outrage like it was the premiere of The Rite of Spring.
But yeah, I think a lack of range is his main negative on defense, so from what I've heard he won't be bad at a corner.
But yeah, I think a lack of range is his main negative on defense, so from what I've heard he won't be bad at a corner.
BA, BP, Sickels...everyone has said the same thing for years.The Best Catch in 100 Years said:
You're a good man Curll, your season ticket package is in the mail. Pick coming up in 5 minutes.Curll said:
Where the hell are all the fonts and bolds and everything, what the heck happened to the site? I feel like a newborn. Seriously though can someone bold this for me?
I'll go ahead and take SS Jimmy Rollins.
The guy's offense is declining sure, but he still can field and run competently and at this point what kind of offense are you going to get out of a SS in this round anyway.
I went back and forth between him and two other players before finally making a pick. I'll likely get one of the other two on the flipside.
FWIW, Rollins in 2013
85 OPS+, 84wRC+
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I'll go ahead and take SS Jimmy Rollins.
The guy's offense is declining sure, but he still can field and run competently and at this point what kind of offense are you going to get out of a SS in this round anyway.
I went back and forth between him and two other players before finally making a pick. I'll likely get one of the other two on the flipside.
FWIW, Rollins in 2013
85 OPS+, 84wRC+
I'll PM the next guy
StuckOnYouk said:
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Damn Youk. That's a decent pick. Then again I'm a big JRoll fan even though he's 1000 years old. And you didn't try to put him at 2B.
I had wondered when Rollins would go. It's a round or two late for him, I think, but not that odd considering how far shortstops fell in this draft. He's 35 and was bad last year, sure, but it's way late to get a player of his caliber.
Yeah, for the past number of rounds, I kept looking at Rollins, and wishing I had waited until later to fill the SS position and grabbed someone else earlier, since I would have been perfectly fine with Rollins there.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I can't because I have another 35 year old at 2B in Scoots!
Oldest DP combo in this league? Probably. But solid and steady at least.
Correction - Scuataro is 38, yikes..
Alright, well I could probably hold off at least one pick on this but between the thread on the main board and the talk about how second string catchers are so important I'll go ahead and make my pick at catcher:
Christian Vazquez, C
Going into this draft, I had three rules for drafting a catcher:
1. I only care about defense
2. That means, specifically, that I don't care about offense
3. Pitch framing matters most of all
I quickly realized that this was a different enough way to approach the catcher position that I wouldn't need to worry about drafting any catchers in any priority rounds and I could feel confident that some all glove no hit catcher would still be there when I finally got around to adding a catcher. And indeed several of the guys I've had an eye on the whole draft are still there. We've all seen what Christian Vazquez can do defensively so far this spring training. On top of that, Vazquez ranked second in all of AA or AAA last year by saving 20.9 runs with his pitch framing ability. If you add that 20.9 runs to Oliver's projected defensive value of 22.6 runs it makes Vazquez one of the best defensive players in the game - and it demolishes any real claim AJP has to being the best catcher on the Red Sox roster.
He won't hit that much (although he will probably hold his own eventually), but when you're in the vicinity of 40 runs of defensive value you don't really have to hit.
So I'll be the first on SOSH to say it: Free Christian Vazquez.
Note: Looking closely at the rules, and especially this post clarifying that the BBA top 10 requirement is directed at AA or AFL players only it appears to me that CV is eligible for the draft based on his single game in AAA at the end of 2013. Just barely, but it counts.
Christian Vazquez, C
Going into this draft, I had three rules for drafting a catcher:
1. I only care about defense
2. That means, specifically, that I don't care about offense
3. Pitch framing matters most of all
I quickly realized that this was a different enough way to approach the catcher position that I wouldn't need to worry about drafting any catchers in any priority rounds and I could feel confident that some all glove no hit catcher would still be there when I finally got around to adding a catcher. And indeed several of the guys I've had an eye on the whole draft are still there. We've all seen what Christian Vazquez can do defensively so far this spring training. On top of that, Vazquez ranked second in all of AA or AAA last year by saving 20.9 runs with his pitch framing ability. If you add that 20.9 runs to Oliver's projected defensive value of 22.6 runs it makes Vazquez one of the best defensive players in the game - and it demolishes any real claim AJP has to being the best catcher on the Red Sox roster.
He won't hit that much (although he will probably hold his own eventually), but when you're in the vicinity of 40 runs of defensive value you don't really have to hit.
So I'll be the first on SOSH to say it: Free Christian Vazquez.
Note: Looking closely at the rules, and especially this post clarifying that the BBA top 10 requirement is directed at AA or AFL players only it appears to me that CV is eligible for the draft based on his single game in AAA at the end of 2013. Just barely, but it counts.
PrometheusWakefield said:Alright, well I could probably hold off at least one pick on this but between the thread on the main board and the talk about how second string catchers are so important I'll go ahead and make my pick at catcher:
Christian Vazquez, C
Going into this draft, I had three rules for drafting a catcher:
1. I only care about defense
2. That means, specifically, that I don't care about offense
3. Pitch framing matters most of all
I quickly realized that this was a different enough way to approach the catcher position that I wouldn't need to worry about drafting any catchers in any priority rounds and I could feel confident that some all glove no hit catcher would still be there when I finally got around to adding a catcher. And indeed several of the guys I've had an eye on the whole draft are still there. We've all seen what Christian Vazquez can do defensively so far this spring training. On top of that, Vazquez ranked second in all of AA or AAA last year by saving 20.9 runs with his pitch framing ability. If you add that 20.9 runs to Oliver's projected defensive value of 22.6 runs it makes Vazquez one of the best defensive players in the game - and it demolishes any real claim AJP has to being the best catcher on the Red Sox roster.
He won't hit that much (although he will probably hold his own eventually), but when you're in the vicinity of 40 runs of defensive value you don't really have to hit.
So I'll be the first on SOSH to say it: Free Christian Vazquez.
Note: Looking closely at the rules, and especially this post clarifying that the BBA top 10 requirement is directed at AA or AFL players only it appears to me that CV is eligible for the draft based on his single game in AAA at the end of 2013. Just barely, but it counts.
I should be drafting for my bullpen or shortstop but I can't pass this guy up for the future.
Kyle Crick, RP
Crick is the prototypical Texas fireballer. 21 years old and throws in the mid 90s. He is the number one prospect for the Giants and is expected to open in AA this year with the possibility of being brought up later in the year. He is eligible because he went to the AFL due to an injury during the summer. Projected to be a future number one.
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Kyle Crick, RP
Crick is the prototypical Texas fireballer. 21 years old and throws in the mid 90s. He is the number one prospect for the Giants and is expected to open in AA this year with the possibility of being brought up later in the year. He is eligible because he went to the AFL due to an injury during the summer. Projected to be a future number one.
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I wouldn't have taken Crick, despite the ceiling. He simply isn't MLB ready, and I don't see him as being a Fernandez type who can survive that kind of jump.
EDIT: And Webster is your only other reliever at this point? Lots of stuff between the two of them, but jeez, talk about a couple lottery tickets.
EDIT: And Webster is your only other reliever at this point? Lots of stuff between the two of them, but jeez, talk about a couple lottery tickets.
Jason Motte, RP
Dude throws hard and misses bats. He could easily be the closer for his MLB team if there wasnt some young kid who was a bit better there. Motte will compete for the closer job with
Sergio Santos, RP
Another hard thrower who could easily be his MLB teams closer if he could stay healthy.
Dude throws hard and misses bats. He could easily be the closer for his MLB team if there wasnt some young kid who was a bit better there. Motte will compete for the closer job with
Sergio Santos, RP
Another hard thrower who could easily be his MLB teams closer if he could stay healthy.
Probably? Hard to see how RPs can control that, with the minor exception that elite RPs can sustain lower BABIPs than can other (non-knuckleball) pitchers.Frank said:
Two nice picks Wibi. Santos was high on my board, although the injury concern is certainly a valid one. Motte is definitely a nice snag.
Oh sweet Jesus, what are they thinking? Can't they just tell me how good a man is at leaving runners stranded?
I realize both of these guys are lottery tickets but I wanted a pipeline of starting pitching. Webster in AAA and Crick in AA give me a chance to have a dominant starting staff for years into the future. Crick is raw but scouting reports say he is very athletic and should develop quickly. I also think that Webster could step into a bullpen role right now if needed and do a good job as a 7th inning reliever.Scoops Bolling said:
Here is my closer.
Jordan Walden, RP
Walden didn't make it as the Angels closer but had a good year after going to the Braves. Struck out over 10 per 9 innings and brought his walk rate under 3 per nine. Sports the high 90s fastball and slider.
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Jordan Walden, RP
Walden didn't make it as the Angels closer but had a good year after going to the Braves. Struck out over 10 per 9 innings and brought his walk rate under 3 per nine. Sports the high 90s fastball and slider.
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wibi said:
Taking a pitcher coming off a missed year from Tommy John surgery is always exciting.
It's doubly exciting when it's a relief pitcher.
Great pick Wake. I was targeting Vazquez for my next pick. I knew with all the catcher talk he was coming off the board soon. I was hoping the one game in AAA would slip by everyone. I should have known better. That kid is special. Really nice pick.
I'm going to go with Sean Marshall, RP3.
One of the most consistent relievers in baseball over the past 5 years, although he had a lost season due to injury last year, he strikes guys out, doesn't walk many and keeps the ball on the ground. I'd say he and Tazawa make a pretty good RH/LH set up duo for Robertson, but of course that's not the way I would structure my bullpen anyway.
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One of the most consistent relievers in baseball over the past 5 years, although he had a lost season due to injury last year, he strikes guys out, doesn't walk many and keeps the ball on the ground. I'd say he and Tazawa make a pretty good RH/LH set up duo for Robertson, but of course that's not the way I would structure my bullpen anyway.
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I guess I should add another reliever to my bullpen.
I'll go with RP Bobby Parnell as my 7th or 8th inning guy to go with holland. Parnells numbers have improved steadily over the last three years. He just has to stay healthy.
I'm on the road would someone kindly bold and PM the next owner.
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I'll go with RP Bobby Parnell as my 7th or 8th inning guy to go with holland. Parnells numbers have improved steadily over the last three years. He just has to stay healthy.
I'm on the road would someone kindly bold and PM the next owner.
Hugs and kisses
Might have been able to wait on this guy for another round but I won't risk it.
Drew Hutchison, RP
Was kind of a hotshot prospect (#42 on Law's preseason list in 2012) before blowing out his elbow the same year. Now coming off of Tommy John surgery, had a good AFL stint and reportedly has been touching 96 in spring training. Only 23 years old. Will compete for the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation alongside Morton, Butler and Chatwood.
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Drew Hutchison, RP
Was kind of a hotshot prospect (#42 on Law's preseason list in 2012) before blowing out his elbow the same year. Now coming off of Tommy John surgery, had a good AFL stint and reportedly has been touching 96 in spring training. Only 23 years old. Will compete for the 4th and 5th slots in the rotation alongside Morton, Butler and Chatwood.
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