SoSH Breaks / Mar 2023 - 2022 Bowman Chrome

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SoSH Breaks is real, and it's happening once a month AT A MINIMUM...so deal with it!

Let's break a case of 2022 Bowman Chrome!

BOWMAN CHROME CHECKLIST

**Break Date is Saturday, March 25th, 3:00 PM Eastern**

**CASE WAS PURCHASED ON 3/8**

Payment Info = $150 total

$3,285 / 23* = $142, round up to $150 to include s/h (*assuming the group paying for my slot, which is unnecessary of course but it seems to be the tradition)

PayPal = joe@joepoulson.com (do friends and family if you can, no worries if you cannot)
Venmo = @JoePoulson

I have CashApp and Zelle and probably some more as well.

Don't need addresses as I have them all on file. Let the countdown begin!

***WE'RE ALL PAID, BREAK IS OFFICIALLY A GO***
 
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Breakers

1. Deathofthebambino*
2. opes*
3. JoePoulson*
4. One Red Seat*
5. shoosh77*
6. Petagine in a Bottle*
7. tmracht*
8. NJ_Sox_Fan*
9. Oil Can Dan*
10. Fishercat*
11. heavyde050*
12. thestardawg*
13. AlNipper49*
14. Traut*
15. bostonbeerbelly*
16. deanx0*
17. Kenny F'ing Powers*
18. Mugsy's Jock*
19. Zoidberg*
20. DoubleXX1022*
21. Bongorific*
22. Bergs*
23. uncannymanny*
24. PrestonBroadus Lives*

*Paid



Always In for Baseball Card Breaks/*down for next break:
1. JoePoulson
2. AlNipper49
3. Traut
4. shoebooty*
5. soosh77
6. heavyde050
7. Bergs
8. One Red Seat
9. deanx0
10. Oil Can Dan
 
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Fishercat

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I'm in but if we have others who want in I can sit to the side given how the last one went for me - don’t want to be greedy. Not sure on product. I get Archives as a choice, never been my preferred product but the Chrome variants out there are brutal for breaks and S1 in any format but Jumbo is similarly rough, and more desirable products push this into three figure prices even at 30 slots. I like Finest but it’s a big team divide product
 

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I'm in but if we have others who want in I can sit to the side given how the last one went for me - don’t want to be greedy.
Same for me! I honestly have no problems running these without a slot, I just love ripping packs and the social aspect of it all.
 

oumbi

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I have no idea what a "SoSH break" is. So someone please explain it to me. Thanks.
 

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I buy a case of baseball cards, we get 20-30 people to pay for said case, I stream myself opening the cards, we get excited at the big hits, I ship out the cards to the 20-30 who participated. Rinse, repeat!
 

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I'm in. I don't care what you buy. The 2022 Chrome product is shit. Terrible centering and quality control even aside from them forgetting to insert chase cards. Preference to avoid that. But whatever - I would still be in.
 

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I'm in. I don't care what you buy. The 2022 Chrome product is shit. Terrible centering and quality control even aside from them forgetting to insert chase cards. Preference to avoid that. But whatever - I would still be in.
Lol, i was going to say Bowman Chrome so we can get prospect hunting, but I don't really care.
 

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Yeah the Topps Chrome run this year was an abject disaster outside of the buyback they put in because it was so bad. The new Sonic release has some really cool looking refractors but not nearly enough of them per box. I don’t think Bowman Chrome had those issues.

I still like Pro Debut if we want a prospect product that doesn’t run huge prices, last I checked both Jumbos and Regular boxes can be picked up cheap and while it’s no Bowman in terms of long term value and is sticker auto city, I think it’s still a fun rip with a lot of good names
 

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Lol, i was going to say Bowman Chrome so we can get prospect hunting, but I don't really care.
A Bowman Chrome break is gonna happen, it's just a matter of when.

It's unfortunate the 2023 Topps Series 1 stuff is still so messed up, there are a TON of amazing rookie cards in that set, in addition to the currents and old-timers of course.
 

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I'll go in again!

I LOVE Topps Archive -- tons of hits and gorgeous cards... but I already ripped myself a hobby box, so I'd vote Bowman Chrome.
 

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I have a feeling we're gonna be ripping Bowman Chrome next, seems multiple folks have a preference for it. Works for me, I'll get some preliminary pricing going just for more data.
 

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Apologies for sounding bitchy -- am very grateful to @JoePoulson for his effort, and @Fishercat for the expertise. Fact is some gonna win, some gonna lose.

The last three breaks we've done here, I've landed the A's, the Tigers, and then the coup de grace: Rangers/Rockies. Aside from some unremarkable Miguel Cabreras, everything there pretty much qualifies as a common. [My Tigers slot didn't have a Torkelson, but if Casey Mize ever gets his shit together, look out!]

During the last thread, somebody suggested instead of organizing the break by team, we go straight random -- not double-random by team, but random to the pack level. Each slot gets the same number of unopened packs (which are opened in the break), and the leftover packs are opened and distributed in a straight rotation. The upside to this is that somebody with my buzzard's luck would still have a reason to watch the break and have some hope (before the inevitable flood of Kevin Newman cards takes care of that). Also means we can accomodate more than 25 slots if that many people sign up.

Also means we could put Topps Finest back on the table, as it addresses the team lopsidedness @Fishercat mentions above.

I hope I'm not coming off as too much of a sore loser or an "everybody gets a trophy" champion... but what does everyone think about pivoting to true randomness next go-round?
 
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Hell yea I'm fine with a pure random break, let's do it! I understand how it sucks getting shafted on team draws, so would be fun as shit opening random packs for everyone.
 

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@Mugsy's Jock - I was thinking on this too and, like, you're right. Personally I like buying cheap teams in breaks quite often but I like buying them at a fraction of the price of an average team, it's a big bummer to pay for an equal slot and get something like Rangers/Rockies (sorry, though I think at least the Rangers got some autos if it was SC?

I think random could work based on the product - I personally find it less appealing (like at that point I might as well just buy packs and open them myself) but I get it, it certainly goes into it giving everyone levels of hope and allows for a lot of flexibility on slots, set-up, etc. I'd be more inclined to go with random if were a product that had a guaranteed hit in each pack like a Triple Threads or Museum Collection - where it may be prohibitively expensive to buy a whole box as an individual. Regardless of the product If the crew digs it I'm in.

I had a thought though - would there be interest in doing a whole case break but as two half cases, and then the "best" teams get paired with the "worst" teams - so you either get two very solid teams throughout or you get at least half a chance at the gold and half of the not so gold. It'd make sorting rough but there could be an intermission to separate those out? It would also potentially allow people to buy into a half case if they don't want to pony up a full case slot (albeit with the risk you described still happening)

So like, just using Stadium Club because I have those numbers at hand. We'd have thirty slots so the cost is lowered. Seattle/Miami would be a slot that I and Mugsy get. I get Seattle in the first half and Miami in the second half, and Mugsy gets Miami in the first half and Seattle in the second half. Your "middle" slot would be Boston/Toronto for instance. Other "sample" slots would be Angels/Brewers, Padres/Orioles (this would probably be tweaked), Dodgers/Cards, etc. It'd have to be tweaked but would help mitigate it.

Edit: If anyone wants a taste for the products involved, here's some break samples with hit recaps at the end - no preference on breaker I just like the presentation quality at the end as I think CSB and Layton both have good camera work and don't bust an eardrum too often relative to tohers.

Topps Finest - This was felt a bit below average on the autos but well above average on the parallels - this is more of a product I like but the overall value may not be there (I'm having fun picking up singles from this set)
Bowman Chrome - Layton termed it "awesome" but I didn't follow the hit quality too closely to know. Obviously, Bowman Chrome is considered the S-tier of prospect products and if you hit here, you hit huge and it can develop long term.
Topps Archives - Similarly, not too sure on quality of the hits- definitely some cards in this case people would like.
 
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No worries on sorting, my collector buddy is dying to help out and offered to sort during the breaks going forward. So make it as complicated as you want (or not) and it'll get sorted. And seriously, as long as we have the interest I will run any break. They rule and I want to get better at hosting them.
 

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I just want to chime in on a different subject, I am only in these breaks for the hits - if on the February break or this one, someone wants my common's feel free to not ship those to me.
 

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I'm in for another. The last was a lot of fun despite the lack of Red Sox hits. I am down to only keep a single copy of each of my commons, and then get a few other commons mixed in if others are cool with that.
 

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I know in other breaks we've had all "hits" (so RCs/1sts, Inserts, Mem, Auto, etc.) go to the team and a single base vet set, and the rest were randomzied to all teams and/or donated to those who were interested. I dig that.

Given the interest in Bowman Chrome, as discussion happens on format, slot numbers, and all of that. I did a quick run through like I did for Stadium Club, Here are my relatively uninformed takeaways. Spoilering to not clog the thread.

A 12-box case has two autos per box - 24 autographs total. Stadium Club had 33 autos go to 19 teams of 30. Similar collation would spitball about half the teams hitting an auto of some sort on an unpaired team break. The Layton break had an insert and about 30-40% of their autos were color. There are of course color nun-autos as well.

  • Given that folks who got the paired teams in SC generally didn't seem to love it, I think it'd be even worse here. Your paired "bottom slots", if bought in an eBay break, generally come out to a bit over $100. That's about equivalent with the 13th or 14th ranked team. With Stadium Club that was more like the 11th or 12th best team slot. I would probably argue if we're going to do the same format as last time, ~20 slots with the Top 10 teams being their own slot and 11-30 being paired starts to bring the values closer. With that said - 20 people splitting a case of Bowman Chrome is probably pushing $160 a slot and even for me that's probably too stiff for Bowman Chrome (Joe is pricing but just from what I've seen box/case wise).
  • In terms of other formats or entry numbers.
    • No Paired Teams: The value gap between the bottom three teams and the top three teams is about 7-8x in value - I believe 11 teams or so would be "above" mean vakue on average and 19 teams below. This is better than Stadium Club in related to average value but the "gap" between those bottom and top teams is a lot bigger (long story short Seattle was by far the priciest team in SC, so it skews it a lot).
    • Random Packs - This would depend heavily on how many interested parties there are, probably the truest random of them all. One of the issues is that it's quite possible someone still gets skunked based on just how the packs are pulled. The more I think about it the more I do like it for this product if there is major interest and signups.
    • Hit Draft and/or Hit Ordering (so if I get slot one, I get the first autograph pulled, if I get Slot 17 I get the 17th auto pulled): You could probably cap it at 24 to guarantee an auto to everyone if they want it and basically make any auto or colored parallel as a hit, and then loop it around. Guarantees something to everyone but you are likely paying like $130 for one hit and whatever else you get.
    • Drafted Teams: At least lets people near the bottom of the draft list hypothetically choose teams they're more interested in, same issues arise on any pairing mixture but given people's feelings about prospects we could get people who are more enthused with their choices if they make it.
    • Pick Your Team - Joe would have to figure out pricing and then price it out accordingly. This fixes the issue immediately of people getting a lesser team for an average cost but "selling" those bottom slots as well as some of the pricier ones may prove to be difficult. More on that below.
  • I also did what I did last time if we do randomed teams or PYT: I took the eBay team by team price ends up a little bit above the raw cost of the case currently and I took the last six half-casers on Ebay (except for one which had some hugely out of the norm pricing on some teams). While there is a #1 team it's not as clear as it was for Stadium Club. As I said, I think 30 deep on this would be really ugly as I think there's about 12 teams that fall below a clear "tier" line in terms of market value.
    • If priced out, I'd expect there to be a few teams (MIL, WAS, SEA, maybe SD) at $200+, four more in 150-200, eight or so in 100-150, 6 in 75-100, and the rest from 40-70 or so, just spitballing though that'd depend on pricing on the case
Below is my chart with the average case price per team that I saw - it's of course not indicative of pulling anything but what real buyers are paying for those slots

MIL
$286.46​
WAS
$238.99​
SEA
$200.99​
SD
$188.22​
NYY
$178.59​
TBR
$168.10​
MIN
$156.50​
TEX
$134.40​
LAD
$128.33​
PIT
$113.63​
STL
$105.51​
Col
$104.93​
CIN
$100.25​
KC
$99.95​
BOS
$99.51​
CLE
$88.89​
PHI
$92.01​
CHI
$77.20​
CHC
$75.79​
NYM
$74.99​
BAL
$72.01​
SF
$66.47​
LAA
$63.13​
TOR
$61.02​
HOU
$56.69​
DET
$50.01​
ATL
$45.29​
MIA
$37.40​
ARZ
$35.69​
OAK
$34.66​
 

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I think folks just really need to understand that there is literally no format in which even 50% of folks are getting their money back. It doesn't exist. Even 25% would be considered an insanely good case.

Card breaks are gambling. That's what it is. In any format. You do random packs, most folks will never get a pack with an auto or any color and somebody or a couple of somebodies might walk away with a half dozen. You do PYT (pick your team, and pay a premium for better teams), you can easily spend $300 and get nothing, or spend $70 and get a monster.

I've been involved in breaking for about 10 years now, and honestly, unless we're doing PYT and folks want to shell out for the best teams, and other folks want to pick up the cheap teams, it doesn't work. On top of that, you've got the issue of who gets to the teams first. Obviously, we're not doing an Ebay auction for the teams, which really only leaves Joe running a site, making all teams available at a set time/day and it turns into a mad rush to get the team you want...

If you do random hit, dont let that SC case that just broke fool you, you might have 3-4 great hits in a case, and everyone else is picking scraps. The 12th-24th autos in Bowman Chrome are going to be worth next to nothing, it's all about color and the level of the prospects. For much higher end products with much fewer cards, like Flawless, this works a bit better.

IMO, the only way to do a break of Bowman Chrome is random teams, just as you guys did for SC. Yep, a bunch of folks won't be happy with the teams they get from the start, some won't be happy with the end result, but that's gambling.
 

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I think folks just really need to understand that there is literally no format in which even 50% of folks are getting their money back. It doesn't exist. Even 25% would be considered an insanely good case.

Card breaks are gambling. That's what it is. In any format. You do random packs, most folks will never get a pack with an auto or any color and somebody or a couple of somebodies might walk away with a half dozen. You do PYT (pick your team, and pay a premium for better teams), you can easily spend $300 and get nothing, or spend $70 and get a monster.

I've been involved in breaking for about 10 years now, and honestly, unless we're doing PYT and folks want to shell out for the best teams, and other folks want to pick up the cheap teams, it doesn't work. On top of that, you've got the issue of who gets to the teams first. Obviously, we're not doing an Ebay auction for the teams, which really only leaves Joe running a site, making all teams available at a set time/day and it turns into a mad rush to get the team you want...

If you do random hit, dont let that SC case that just broke fool you, you might have 3-4 great hits in a case, and everyone else is picking scraps. The 12th-24th autos in Bowman Chrome are going to be worth next to nothing, it's all about color and the level of the prospects. For much higher end products with much fewer cards, like Flawless, this works a bit better.

IMO, the only way to do a break of Bowman Chrome is random teams, just as you guys did for SC. Yep, a bunch of folks won't be happy with the teams they get from the start, some won't be happy with the end result, but that's gambling.
I completely agree. It is gambling. You will probably lose. This is at least easy to keep track of. And who knows you may get some shit team with some really cool retired auto or something.

The odds are the odds. There are 4 cards in a case that will return more than your spend. So most people will lose in every format.

At least by team you prevent someone from getting say 2 or 3 of 4 which you risk by going by pack.
 

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I’d like to nominate Diamond Kings for May (or even regular Donruss or even 2022 DK for now)
 

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I think folks just really need to understand that there is literally no format in which even 50% of folks are getting their money back. It doesn't exist. Even 25% would be considered an insanely good case.

Card breaks are gambling. That's what it is. In any format. You do random packs, most folks will never get a pack with an auto or any color and somebody or a couple of somebodies might walk away with a half dozen. You do PYT (pick your team, and pay a premium for better teams), you can easily spend $300 and get nothing, or spend $70 and get a monster.

I've been involved in breaking for about 10 years now, and honestly, unless we're doing PYT and folks want to shell out for the best teams, and other folks want to pick up the cheap teams, it doesn't work. On top of that, you've got the issue of who gets to the teams first. Obviously, we're not doing an Ebay auction for the teams, which really only leaves Joe running a site, making all teams available at a set time/day and it turns into a mad rush to get the team you want...

If you do random hit, dont let that SC case that just broke fool you, you might have 3-4 great hits in a case, and everyone else is picking scraps. The 12th-24th autos in Bowman Chrome are going to be worth next to nothing, it's all about color and the level of the prospects. For much higher end products with much fewer cards, like Flawless, this works a bit better.

IMO, the only way to do a break of Bowman Chrome is random teams, just as you guys did for SC. Yep, a bunch of folks won't be happy with the teams they get from the start, some won't be happy with the end result, but that's gambling.
I completely agree. It is gambling. You will probably lose. This is at least easy to keep track of. And who knows you may get some shit team with some really cool retired auto or something.

The odds are the odds. There are 4 cards in a case that will return more than your spend. So most people will lose in every format.

At least by team you prevent someone from getting say 2 or 3 of 4 which you risk by going by pack.
I'll just +1 all of this on a personal perspective, I just understand the feeling of buying into a slot and immediately having the value of your slot halved or worse after a team draw especially if you're not doing this kind of thing very often - it sucks. But you're both absolutely right that there is no method that can be used that really evens it out beyond having some substantial manipulation, and even then it evens it out until the first pack opens.

Again, for this break I'm into whatever method we choose that'll make as many people happy as we reasonably can. I'm much more in favor of random teams or, if there's a viable method, PYT over a hit draft/random (doesn't work for Bowman Chrome IMO) or random packs but given how the last one went I feel like I'm due some junkers anyway. :)
 

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I think folks just really need to understand that there is literally no format in which even 50% of folks are getting their money back. It doesn't exist. Even 25% would be considered an insanely good case.

Card breaks are gambling. That's what it is. In any format. You do random packs, most folks will never get a pack with an auto or any color and somebody or a couple of somebodies might walk away with a half dozen. You do PYT (pick your team, and pay a premium for better teams), you can easily spend $300 and get nothing, or spend $70 and get a monster.

I've been involved in breaking for about 10 years now, and honestly, unless we're doing PYT and folks want to shell out for the best teams, and other folks want to pick up the cheap teams, it doesn't work. On top of that, you've got the issue of who gets to the teams first. Obviously, we're not doing an Ebay auction for the teams, which really only leaves Joe running a site, making all teams available at a set time/day and it turns into a mad rush to get the team you want...

If you do random hit, dont let that SC case that just broke fool you, you might have 3-4 great hits in a case, and everyone else is picking scraps. The 12th-24th autos in Bowman Chrome are going to be worth next to nothing, it's all about color and the level of the prospects. For much higher end products with much fewer cards, like Flawless, this works a bit better.

IMO, the only way to do a break of Bowman Chrome is random teams, just as you guys did for SC. Yep, a bunch of folks won't be happy with the teams they get from the start, some won't be happy with the end result, but that's gambling.
It's fine to lose... but it's worse than gambling. If I bet on the Rangers to win the World Series, I get a lot better odds than if I bet the Dodgers. Here, all bets cost the same.

Similarly, if I'm just opening packs on my own, the packs all cost the same. Packs where all you know you're gonna get is Diamondbacks, theoretically, should cost less.

Another path would be to set pricing based on tiers (e.g. Red Sox/Dodgers/Yankees/Braves/Ms priced at 200%, Angels/White Sox/Mets/Padres priced at 150%, Orioles/Cardinals/Giants at 100%, Rangers/Rockies/DBacks at 50%) in such a way that the total amount spent covers the cost. Then assign teams randomly. [Examples above illustrative only - @Fishercat and other experts better suited to stick a pin in what's fair.] The only challenge is we'll need to know that everyone's willing to spend up for the 200% teams if they're lucky/unlucky enough to land them.

@Fishercat laid something like this out in his spoiler. Agreed the most expensive team (MIL) turns out to be super-expensive, so maybe we smooth it out a little.

Apologies if I'm just creating more work -- and will be in again regardless of format. Guess I gotta be due!
 

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It's fine to lose... but it's worse than gambling. If I bet on the Rangers to win the World Series, I get a lot better odds than if I bet the Dodgers. Here, all bets cost the same.

Similarly, if I'm just opening packs on my own, the packs all cost the same. Packs where all you know you're gonna get is Diamondbacks, theoretically, should cost less.

Another path would be to set pricing based on tiers (e.g. Red Sox/Dodgers/Yankees/Braves/Ms priced at 200%, Angels/White Sox/Mets/Padres priced at 150%, Orioles/Cardinals/Giants at 100%, Rangers/Rockies/DBacks at 50%) in such a way that the total amount spent covers the cost. Then assign teams randomly. [Examples above illustrative only - @Fishercat and other experts better suited to stick a pin in what's fair.] The only challenge is we'll need to know that everyone's willing to spend up for the 200% teams if they're lucky/unlucky enough to land them.

@Fishercat laid something like this out in his spoiler. Agreed the most expensive team (MIL) turns out to be super-expensive, so maybe we smooth it out a little.

Apologies if I'm just creating more work -- and will be in again regardless of format. Guess I gotta be due!
Right, here all bets cost the same. The difference is you have a chance of getting the Dodgers or Astros to win the WS, as opposed to only having the Rangers.

Tiered pricing wouldn't stop at 200%. You'd be looking at 400%+ for the top teams in most products, and about 20% for the bottom teams. I used to break with Firehand Cards quite a bit and these were the prices he was using for each team this year:

Angels – 29
Astros – 35
Athletics – 39
Blue Jays – 29
Braves – 35
Brewers – 299
Cardinals – 99
Cubs – 65
Diamondbacks – 19
Dodgers – 215
Giants – 39
Guardians – 75
Mariners – 449
Marlins – 19
Mets – 89
Nationals – 399
Orioles – 59
Padres – 349
Phillies – 99
Pirates – 169
Rangers – 179
Rays – 175
Red Sox – 145
Reds – 179
Rockies – 95
Royals – 149
Tigers – 69
Twins – 99
White Sox – 59
Yankees – 179

Blez is running random teams with 27 spots at $137/team. Marlins/Phillies, Tigers/As, Dbacks/Orioles are the combo teams:

https://theblez.com/product/2022-bowman-chrome-hobby-full-case-random-team-break-2

Bowman Chrome is actually one of the better products for random team formats, because the prices of cards today and the value of the prospects today can change significantly down the road. There are almost no other sports/products where you get cards of guys who have either no professional experience, are years away from it, and the cake isn't already baked with respect to value.

Those guys whose cards (and names) nobody has ever heard of today, (think 3rd-7th round draft picks) are like lottery tickets in Chrome. Those cards may not be worth much, if anything, right now, but if a guy pops out of those rounds, those cards can skyrocket quickly. Most of these guys are years away from seeing MLB time....
 

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We don't have a set amount of breakers yet, so technically no we don't need more. We'll need to set the parameters of the break before we know that. We had 25 last time, so kept it at that for now but we can adjust as-needed.

I'll check pricing for a few products and report back. Still finalizing the last break so the next couple days I'll report some data.
 

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OK sorry for the lack of updates here, had to finish up the last break before jumping ahead to shop product. Scanning the thread, as far as actual votes, this is what I see:

Votes for 2022 Bowman Chrome = KFP / Mugsy's Jock / NJ_Sox_Fan
Votes for 2022 Topps Finest = Fishercat / Opes

Other thoughts - Pro Debut


I think we're looking at a Bowman Chrome break this month and Topps Finest next month. Or Finest this month, BC next. OR depending on our budgets, we go YOLO and do both this month. OR ONE OF EACH?!?!?!????. I'm up for anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2022 Bowman Chrome 12-Box Factory Fresh Case
$3,194.95
Product Highlights

Two Chrome Autograph Cards Per Box!
Collect a 100-card Base Set!
Collect a 100-card Chrome Prospect set!
Look for Chrome Prospect Autographs!
Find Chrome Rookie Autographs!


2022 Topps Finest 8-Box Case
$1,599.95
Product Highlights

Two autographed cards per hobby box!
Collect the 100-card Base Set!
Look for rare Finest Rookies variations!
Find new inserts!


2022 Topps Pro Debut 12-Box Case
$744.95
Product Highlights

Four Autograph Cards Per Box!
Collect the entire 200-card Base Set!
Look for Base Set Image Variations!
Find MiLB Legends and Draftee Debuts Inserts!
Collect Future Cornerstones Autographs!
 

Fishercat

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Manchester, N.H.
I think there might be a couple other competitors with new products coming out too. Either now or later.

I talked about it a bit in the other thread but 2022 Bowman Inception was a lot of fun. Mostly on card, in hand autos, a lot of the best prospects, a reasonably good team division (the break I did had three combined slots and only a few teams felt truly hopeless) and a full case is 32 autos with 16 parallel non autos. The downside is that I don’t know how well it’ll hold value vs Chrome and it’d be a very quick break of 16 packs. It can be dragged out but they are quick breaks. I think it works as teams with some combined slots, hit draft

2022 Bowman’s Best is coming out this week. So we don’t know the product. It is a well regarded set historically and I do think we need some combined teams but it’s a fairly decently divided product for the small checklist. It also lends itself a bit to other formats with the mini boxes and it’s usually sleek. Some bigger prospect names and vet names pepper this for folks who want some of both.

Im happy with anything though and I think Bowman Chrome is pretty universally appreciated so that’s a ok if that’s the call
 

JoePoulson

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Feb 28, 2006
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Orlando, FL
When and what and how much?

You rock doing all of this by the way.
- This month (I'm shooting for two weeks from now, either Sat the 18th or Sun the 19th)

Don't know the rest, unfortunately!

I think there might be a couple other competitors with new products coming out too. Either now or later.

I talked about it a bit in the other thread but 2022 Bowman Inception was a lot of fun. Mostly on card, in hand autos, a lot of the best prospects, a reasonably good team division (the break I did had three combined slots and only a few teams felt truly hopeless) and a full case is 32 autos with 16 parallel non autos. The downside is that I don’t know how well it’ll hold value vs Chrome and it’d be a very quick break of 16 packs. It can be dragged out but they are quick breaks. I think it works as teams with some combined slots, hit draft

2022 Bowman’s Best is coming out this week. So we don’t know the product. It is a well regarded set historically and I do think we need some combined teams but it’s a fairly decently divided product for the small checklist. It also lends itself a bit to other formats with the mini boxes and it’s usually sleek. Some bigger prospect names and vet names pepper this for folks who want some of both.

Im happy with anything though and I think Bowman Chrome is pretty universally appreciated so that’s a ok if that’s the call
2022 Bowman Inception 16 Box Case
$2,689.95

Product Highlights

Two Autograph Cards Per Box!
One Foil Parallel Card Per Box!
Four Base Cards Per Box!
Collect a 100-Card Base Set!
Look for Autograph Relic Cards!
ONE PACK PER BOX LIKE FISHERCAT POINTED OUT

2022 Bowman's Best 8 Box Case
$2,349.95 (pre-order)

Product Highlights

Four Chrome Autograph Cards Per Box!
Look for One Refractor Parallel in EVERY PACK!
Collect a 100-Card Base Set!
Look for Best of 2022 Autographs!
Find Dual Autographs and Die-Cut Autos!
 
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