Except when asked to take a drug test...Sille Skrub said:
And continues to do so every chance he gets. It's a joke.
Except when asked to take a drug test...Sille Skrub said:
And continues to do so every chance he gets. It's a joke.
kenneycb said:I was referencing his fear of needles leading to the cancellation of a fight.
And I never implied it changes anything but it puts a dent into the argument of Pacquiao as some sort of urban legend that will fight anyone anywhere that we were leading down.
kenneycb said:Regarding the Mayweather ducking point, I found this to be a relatively even-handed article, http://www.theguardian.com/sport/slip-the-jab/2014/mar/03/floyd-mayweather-boxing-great-ducking-fights. Probably a slight Mayweather bias but not egregiously so.
By urban legend I meant tall tale because I'm an idiot that sucks at turns of phrases. But still, there was one fight, one very big fight, where both fighters essentially ducked each other. Though I find people in the Pacquiao camp fail to acknowledge any wrongdoing on his end since Mayweather has basically pitted himself as a WWE heel at this point and takes all the heat (something I think is mainly an act that sells PPVs despite the fact Mayweather is a very boring fighter to the casual fan).SeoulSoxFan said:
Make a stronger case that Manny's record of fighting anyone is an "urban legend" -- besides the single point you raised.
Except if it involves needles 30 days before the fight. But he makes an exception for Ricky Hatton.Sille Skrub said:Manny is on record as saying he will take any drug test for a potential Mayweather fight. He also has never failed a drug test and said he would take less money than Floyd to make the fight happen.
PBF, on the other hand, continues to move the goalposts and make excuses.
I actually don't care anymore, because I don't think Floyd would give him much of a fight.
Ridicule all you want. His resume starting with fighting Diaz has been mainly garbage. If it makes you feel any better, Floyd's resume has been pretty much garbage as well since fighting Oscar.SeoulSoxFan said:
Thanks for the article. Besides the surprisingly small effort the author puts forth in defending PBF in the "big one" (vs. Manny), the overall article actually seems to say Mayweather can be called a ducker, just not as bad of a one as his critics say he is.
But to get back on the point, many posters here were pointing out the absurdity of painting Pacman's career as one made by "favorable matchmaking" -- whether PBF ducked one or a dozen, ElUno's post still deserves full ridicule.
An old ass Shane? Who Floyd fought and almost kissed the canvas against. Clottey and Margarito were legit fighters when Manny beat him. A completely shot Cotto? Who Floyd fought THREE years later, and had to work for a decision (Manny stopped him).ElUno20 said:How about old ass Shane ? Clottey, Margarito, a completely shot Cotto? A shot de la Hoya? Diaz? Rios? Or the completely shot Rios?
Are you seriously counting a retired Oscar who showed up for a check and to recruit him to him to golden boy? Hatton? Are you joking? He didn't train for the fight and effectively retired after.
Other than Marquez and Bradley it's been all shit for the better part of the last 8 years. So yes. Matchmaking, marketing, promotions, etc. Pre Oscar and Diaz I'm not contesting but a majority of the last 8 years has been straight garbage. Top rank has been dying and milking his career for a while.
I already know where it's going so we will have to agree to disagree. The guys you name as big wins I see completely differently.
Marciano490 said:I disagree. Manny is slower and more tentative and is pace is off. He was always too wild for Floyd but he was so frenetic and violent and elemental that his wildness and wide punches could be covered up by pure aggression. Now that he doesn't punch in as many bunches and doesn't have the same daredevil style he's almost the perfect opponent for Floyd who has even better footwork and would absolutely pick his wide punches apart. Floyd would get there first on every exchange.
Plus, Manny doesn't jab anymore and there's no way you beat Floyd without a jab.
Deathofthebambino said:ElUno, that was an impressive bit of strawman bullshit in your post. I'm not even a Manny fan, so why don't you address my pointt? Who do you think Manny should have fought that he didn't? I agree with you that a lot of the fights he's had in the last 5-10 years haven't been all that great, but aside from Floyd, who else was there to fight that he wasn't willing to go into the ring with? The guy fought basically everyone in a half dozen different weight classes. Like I said before, your argument isn't with Manny, it's with the state of boxing and the people fighting now. Manny can't fight someone that doesn't exist. Maybe you can create a strawman for him to fight too?
Deathofthebambino said:I haven't watched it yet, but today's Klitschko title defense was televised live at 5:00 on ESPN. Sorry I didn't get a chance to post about it earlier, and I'm not sure if it's being shown later, but I found it interesting that it was on for free and live. Please use a spoiler tag if you saw it and don't mind. I'm going to watch in a couple of hours, but figured I'd let people know in case it's on again later.
Anyone getting the Jon Jones PPV tonight? I'm curious about pulling the trigger, and even more curious to find out if Texeira has a shot to beat him. Odds right now are +325 on Texeira, which is pretty darn appealing.
Not true.kenneycb said:Except if it involves needles 30 days before the fight. But he makes an exception for Ricky Hatton.
It's not a bad bet. All reports over the last month have been that Chino has had the best camp of his life.Marciano490 said:I'm putting $50 on Maidana to knock out Floyd at +850. Don't think it'll happen, but Floyd gets hit flush once or twice a fight now, and Maidana has ambien in his gloves.
ElUno20 said:Actually no, buddy. I have no problem with pac. He's an all timer. I have a problem with the fans he's brought into the sport and the amount of praise he's gotten. Similar to floyd, he's an all time great fighter, who has milked the public of ppv money the last 5-6 years with some shit opponents. That's my problem. When someone who thinks Pacquiao invented boxing is trying to tell me clottey, shane, rios, etc were "great" wins. Gtfoh. Then those same people get on floyd for his crap fights like baldomir, Guerrero, etc. It's a ridiculous double standard to anyone who follows the sport religiously.
Bob arum and Floyd are one in the same. Rape the public for money with mostly bullshit fights. It's not that hard to comprehend.
Yet you are? Come on, your pro-Pacquiao bias in this thread is bordering on the absurd.Sille Skrub said:Not true.
Guys, El Uno is not even worth addressing when it comes to Pacquiao. He hates Pac more than cancer.
Don't wan to speak too much for El Uno but I don't think he's talking about the Pacquiao ducking anyone or anything, just saying that the caliber of his opponents weren't that great, which is more of a sign of the relative talent level of the current generation.Marciano490 said:
I'm asking in all honesty - who would you have had Pacquiao fight over that time period that he didn't? This isn't Dempsey ducking Wills. What fight was out there that wasn't made?
First if all, go ahead and quote Skrub posts that you feel are "bordering on the absurd."kenneycb said:Yet you are? Come on, your pro-Pacquiao bias in this thread is bordering on the absurd.
Don't wan to speak too much for El Uno but I don't think he's talking about the Pacquiao ducking anyone or anything, just saying that the caliber of his opponents weren't that great, which is more of a sign of the relative talent level of the current generation.
Sille Skrub said:
Why not? He's been doing it his whole career.
Sille Skrub said:
And continues to do so every chance he gets. It's a joke.
Sille Skrub said:Manny is on record as saying he will take any drug test for a potential Mayweather fight. He also has never failed a drug test and said he would take less money than Floyd to make the fight happen.
PBF, on the other hand, continues to move the goalposts and make excuses.
I actually don't care anymore, because I don't think Floyd would give him much of a fight.
kenneycb said:Yet you are? Come on, your pro-Pacquiao bias in this thread is bordering on the absurd.
Don't wan to speak too much for El Uno but I don't think he's talking about the Pacquiao ducking anyone or anything, just saying that the caliber of his opponents weren't that great, which is more of a sign of the relative talent level of the current generation.
ElUno20 said:I'm not baiting sht. You can be an all time great and still go on a money collecting hall of fame tour for years. Back in the days they'd go to Europe. Now I have to pay 60 bucks to see the likes of Rios and Robert Guerrero get schooled.
Hugs and hand pounds. Hugs and hand pounds.Deathofthebambino said:Kenney, you're right. Using your name was a mistake.
soxhop411 said: