Sellers?

[Sampo Gida]

If I was a Yankee fan, or just the Red Sox fan that i am who wants them good enough to maintain the rivalry, I would hope the owners cut the crap and spend in a manner that would make Daddy Steinbrenner proud. They have the money, damn the revenue sharing rebates and luxury tax, full speed ahead.

Resign Cano, Granderson and Kuroda. Go get a couple more starters to replace Pettitte and Hughes, get a closer and a couple of hitters and make another run for it with a payroll at 250 million.

The farm system is crap. More prospects and draft picks are wasted on them. They need to can Cashmans ass and bring in someone with new ideas to bring in new talent and reorganize. Not going to happen overnight.

 

[jon abbey]

Spending money like you're suggesting in baseball generally just leads to more bad contracts. I do agree there's a case to be made for firing Cashman and starting from scratch but man do I not trust the Steinbrenner boys to make the right hire there. 

 

[bill]

MLB trade rumors is saying NY hasn't received any offers they like for Hughes so it appears they are considering selling. I tried to remember the last time NY was a seller and I can't remember. Jon or Terry must remember when and who they traded. NY will sell out for Mariano's last game in NY and it will be very emotional. If Boston offered Webster and Cecchini I don't think Cash could accept.

 

[barbed wire Bob]

After that, the best moveable assets are Teixeira (who will be tough to move before he gets healthy again), Kuroda as a rental, and Gardner as a great fielding decent bat outfielder.

IIRC, Teixeira has a no-trade clause in his contract.

 

[terrynever]

MLB trade rumors is saying NY hasn't received any offers they like for Hughes so it appears they are considering selling. I tried to remember the last time NY was a seller and I can't remember. Jon or Terry must remember when and who they traded. NY will sell out for Mariano's last game in NY and it will be very emotional. If Boston offered Webster and Cecchini I don't think Cash could accept.

I can't remember the Yankees as sellers at the trade deadline. The Boss would never admit his team was out of contention, even in he shit years like 1982 or 89-92. The Yanks have made many bad trades over the years, of course, but only with good intentions of improving the team in the short run.

 

[jon abbey]

If NY inexplicably decides they're buyers, they should give up a B prospect for Justin Morneau. I read earlier today they are more interested in a RHB, but you'd think that Morneau's career 1.391 OPS at Yankee Stadium (69 PAs) might help them to pull the trigger. He's 26-60 there with 9 BBs and 7 HRs. 

 

[terrynever]

If NY inexplicably decides they're buyers, they should give up a B prospect for Justin Morneau. I read earlier today they are more interested in a RHB, but you'd think that Morneau's career 1.391 OPS at Yankee Stadium (69 PAs) might help them to pull the trigger. He's 26-60 there with 9 BBs and 7 HRs. 

Overlay has a higher OPS than Morneau for the moment. Though I too would prefer Morneau over Lyle.

 

[jon abbey]

Overlay has a higher OPS than Morneau for the moment. Though I too would prefer Morneau over Lyle.

 
It's more that one of them could bump the corpse of Hafner.

 

[LondonSox]

I think they should sell and sell hard this team MAY stap on one last year but I wouldn't bet on it.
The long contracts are finally coming home to roost, the long term plan is ?

Blow it up, get under the cap next year and then go hard after.
Mo is gone, jeter is heading for a retirement tour of his own. Arod and teix are heading for sunk costs, granderson and cano are soon free agents. The farm isn't exactly loaded I mean shit what's the plan here?

I guess that is what would concern me if I was a Yankee fan I see no plan. There was a (shitty) plan to go cheap next year save one money and then charge. Now that is unclear and I'm not sure if they think they can keep going for these retread shit contract guys like wells. There's no core left.
This year is hard as they have stuck in a race by smoke and mirrors and they may think they are still in the race. But really with the rays orioles and sox to get past (all looking better) that's wishful.

If you can get a kings ransom for cano (you can always resign him anyway) Hughes, anyone except mo (I think the pr is too much, though it's an easy spin as long as its not the sox). Cc is the hardest, Jon you watch them more I kind of get the impression he isn't quite the guy he was, but you tell me.

Burn it down restock the farm, hit the reset button get until the cap next year and let the dodgers get full of untradeable contracts so you can go after the free agents without bidding wars.

 

[jon abbey]

Well, there are tons of problems with that plan, starting with most of their guys don't have much trade value. CC is definitely trending down, although his velocity has crept up all year and he generally is a better pitcher in the second half, but he's owed $71M for the next three years which kills most of his trade value anyway. 
 
I agree that there doesn't seem to be much of a plan, and while it's inevitable to have a down period after the ridiculous run of success they've had in the Jeter/Rivera era, things like not spending huge on international free agents (not going hard after Cespedes, Darvish, Chapman, Puig, etc.) and two decades of drafting at the bottom of the first round plus losing a bunch of draft picks because of FA signings has finally taken its toll. 
 
It could be ugly for a while in the Bronx, BOS and BAL and TB all seem better positioned in the near term and long term, and NY can't really use their financial advantages like they have in the past.
 
The thing that's upsetting is that Joba is still on the roster, that is a small move but a necessary one. I at least get the rationale for holding onto Hughes and trying to turn him into an extra first round pick as discussed above, even if I wouldn't really be comfortable making that decision myself, but there is zero reason for Joba to be on this roster anymore. He is a shitty clubhouse guy who can't pitch anymore and who will be a FA after the year. Dump him and bring up Betances, I've been saying this for at least a month. 

 

[jon abbey]

I beat RAB by two months on this idea, first post of this thread:
 
http://riveraveblues.com/2013/08/pondering-a-mariano-rivera-trade-as-the-yankees-waste-his-final-season-92335/

 

[TomRicardo]

Burn it down restock the farm, hit the reset button get until the cap next year and let the dodgers get full of untradeable contracts so you can go after the free agents without bidding wars.

 
You need tradeable assets to restock the farm.  Right now there isn't enough wood for a fire sale.  They have Sabathia on a bad contract and the decline.  If they really want to let it burn they should try to trade Gardner and Robertson.
 
They could trade Granderson, Hughes, or Joba now but I doubt they get anything of significance for them.
 
There is just nothing there.

 

[dynomite]

The Yankees are in a terrible position: a roster full of declining and overpaid veterans and an ownership group too worried about ticket sales and TV revenue to admit the obvious and do a proper rebuild.
 
It's glorious.
 
That said, they've got a ton of money coming off the books in theory after this season (Cano + Granderson + Kuroda + Youk + Pettitte + Rivera = $79 million).  A smarter team would have aggressively shopped some of those impending free agents, but they're still going to have some headroom, sadly.  

 

[jon abbey]

OBut the reason I started this thread was to broach a seemingly insane idea that just occurred to me: Cashman should offer Rivera to the Tigers for Bruce Rondon. The more I think about, the more this is a win/win all around: Ilitch almost certainly gets the final piece in what would be an overwhelming title favorite, barring injuries; Rivera gets to help the Yankees long-term by getting them a young fireballer and he gets himself a shot at another ring; and NY doesn't waste Rivera's last year for a team that pretty clearly isn't going anywhere. Possibly a tough sale to ticket holders, but he wasn't going to be around much longer anyway...

 
Bumping this because both teams would be a lot happier right now, personnel-wise anyway. And Mariano would have gotten a chance to seriously compete against BOS one last time, ah well.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Trading Mariano just wasn't possible. It would have been like letting Babe Ruth leave the Bronx for another team as his career wound down...oh wait.

 

[jon abbey]

Obviously a bit premature, so I will leave the question mark for now, but to me it's clear that NY for the first time in a really long time should try to be sellers for the next few months if they can. They seem to have the pitching depth to dump Hughes and Joba for whatever they can get (both are FAs after this year). Even if it's very little, it would free up spots for mini-tryouts for guys like Warren and Nuno and Betances (dominant in relief tonight in AAA, touching 98 with a great curve) and Montgomery. 

But the reason I started this thread was to broach a seemingly insane idea that just occurred to me: Cashman should offer Rivera to the Tigers for Bruce Rondon. The more I think about, the more this is a win/win all around: Ilitch almost certainly gets the final piece in what would be an overwhelming title favorite, barring injuries; Rivera gets to help the Yankees long-term by getting them a young fireballer and he gets himself a shot at another ring; and NY doesn't waste Rivera's last year for a team that pretty clearly isn't going anywhere. Possibly a tough sale to ticket holders, but he wasn't going to be around much longer anyway...

Anyway, I know it'll never happen, but a man can dream, check out Rondon's AAA numbers so far this year:
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rondon001bru

 
Bumping this because Rondon is getting Tommy John surgery now, so this wouldn't have helped NY in 2014 even if it had somehow happened. 
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10646038/bruce-rondon-detroit-tigers-torn-elbow-ligament-miss-season