Second Guesser's Club - Hey guys. Let's try to stay out of the cellar here.

rembrat

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Today is a scheduled off-day for Ortiz so probably not.
 
EDIT: Ortiz pinchhitting for JBJ. My bad.
 

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I feel comfortable going on record that unless you are 100% sure the other team is stealing, back-to-back pitchouts is not a great idea. 
 

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radsoxfan said:
I feel comfortable going on record that unless you are 100% sure the other team is stealing, back-to-back pitchouts is not a great idea. 
 
Does Farrell put on pitch outs or is that delegated to Torey Lovullo?
 

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Reverend said:
Batting average isn't totally irrelevant either. Do people still watch the games?
 
After today the Sox' OPS has now gone under .700, a "distinction" they share with the Astros, Royals and Mariners as well as the Rays.
 
You have to wonder how much longer can Colbrunn keep his job when the offense is underachieving almost across the board. I realize that firing a coach in a situation like this is usually more an exorcism than a rational fix, but still, if I were him, I would make sure my resume is up to date.
 

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Sat through all 15 innings of that suck fest. My first thought when I saw the lineup was that it was practically AAAA in its quality. After the first inning it did not "disappoint".

After the first inning they mustered 3 hits over the next 14.
They left 6 men on base in 15 innings, 3 of those over the final 2 innings.
Ramos threw more balls than strikes over 2 innings and they still couldn't push a run across.
With X coming out the lineup got even worse.
Leading 5-0 after 1 against Price is a game YOU MUST WIN!!!!!
It honestly felt like that game could have gone 30 innings and the Sox wouldn't get another win. This team is playing putrid baseball right now. All these injuries are not helping.
 

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Price threw like 30 pitches in the first inning, didn't he?  How did he possibly go 8 innings?  Absolutely disgusting.
 

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Red Sox slugging percentage over past ten seasons:
2005- .454
2006- .435
2007- .444
2008- .447
2009- .454
2010- .451
2011- .461
2012- .415
2013- .446
2014- .369
 

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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Price threw like 30 pitches in the first inning, didn't he?  How did he possibly go 8 innings?  Absolutely disgusting.
Price was at 39 pitches after one. I turned it on (pleasantly surprised) after Peavy got the first out in the bottom of the first. Red Sox hitters worked Price for a total of 8 pitches in the second, 7 in the fourth, and 4 in the sixth. The whole team looks lost at the plate right now.
 

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Frank Castillo said:
Red Sox slugging percentage over past ten seasons:
2005- .454
2006- .435
2007- .444
2008- .447
2009- .454
2010- .451
2011- .461
2012- .415
2013- .446
2014- .369
 
Since it's proverbial that hitting ticks up after it gets warm, let's see what those numbers look like after 48 games each year:
 
2005-.443
2006-.447
2007-.442
2008-.456
2009-.452
2010-.451
2011-.413
2012-.455
2013-.428
2014-.369
 
Obviously this is partly a post-steroids phenomenon, but not entirely. Does anyone want to guess when was the last time the team had a SLG under .400 after 48 games?
 
1993 -- .378
 
That was the year when our cleanup hitter was the corpse of Andre Dawson (.425 SLG), and our most common lineup in the first third of the season included such thunder-bringers as Tony Pena, Luis Rivera, and the rotting remains of Carlos Quintana and Ivan Calderon.
 
This lineup is worse than that.
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
All of which proves how useless a player Carp is. Atrocious defensively and not worthy of pinch hitting for Bradley, one of the worst hitters in the league right now. The roster is a mess right now. I don't know what they can really do about it; but replacing Carp with a player who can hit, defend, or run (or ideally a combination of that) would be a start.
 
So, of course, he promptly goes out and plays first like a young George Scott.
 

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ToeKneeArmAss said:
How long can they continue to undermine the Red Sox' slim hopes of winning ballgames by trotting AJP out there?  His offense is the very definition of replacement level, but he makes up for it by being a shitty game-caller, a fidgetty, stabby catcher who costs his pitchers countless strikes and drops balls when it matters most (not that he's capable of throwing anyone out, mind you), and is absolutely lead-footed on the basepaths.  How many other ML players get thrown out by 15 ft. on the Victorino bunt?  Who in the entire cosmic viewing audience didn't know that Jennings was going to waltz into second, pitchout or not?  What possible positive contribution does he make beyond bumping John Lackey into second place on the list of most dislikeable current Red Sox players?  Must be his leadership and impact on clubhouse camaraderie and esprit de corps.  :barf:
 
Absolutely anyone would be an improvement.  Cut your losses and move on. Surely you could pry someone like Gerald Laird or Ryan Doumit off someone's bench with some trinket in the farm system somewhere.
 
Make it stop. #DFA_AJP
 
So Toe, does The Trop look as crappy in person as it does on TV?
 

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fineyoungarm said:
 
So, of course, he promptly goes out and plays first like a young George Scott.
 
I didn't turn on yesterday's game until right at the point Miller threw the ball into centerfield (fitting), but I assume this is hyperbole.  Nonetheless, it never seemed fair to me to say that Carp was a bad defensive first baseman; there was really not a lot of evidence either way to make that determination given his sporadic playing time over multiple positions. 
 
Would have been nice if he hadn't gone 0-fer yesterday, but with what looks like his first opportunity to play multiple days in a row this week, hopefully he'll get into a little groove today and tomorrow.
 

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Has a team ever won a World Series after losing nine straight in the regular season?
 
It's time to start maximizing the long-term worth of the assets they have. Identify players who will not be part of the next successful Red Sox team and give them a chance to establish some value, then trade them for something that might help down the road. For instance, they can DL Napoli and let Carp play for a while. They can make sure Peavy pitches to the better catcher for a while, then trade him. They should decide whether Lester will do more for the club on a long-term contract, as a departing free agent, or in a deadline trade. 
 
Whjat they should not do is bring up AAA (or AA) guys who aren't ready in a desperate attempt to salvage this season.
 

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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Price threw like 30 pitches in the first inning, didn't he?  How did he possibly go 8 innings?  Absolutely disgusting.
He threw 34 in the 1st inning. The next 5 innings he only threw 53. Just ridiculous.
 

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Today's version:
 
Holt 5
Bogaerts 6
Pedroia 4
Ortiz DH
Carp 3
Nava 9
Pierzynski 2
Sizemore 7
Bradley 8
Workman RHP
 
According to Sean McAdam, Alex Wilson is on the line up card and Napoli isn't.
 
Rays
 
DeJesus 7
Longoria 5
Joyce DH
Myers 9
Loney 3
Guyer 8
Forsythe 4
Escobar 6
Molina 2
Odorizzi RHP
 

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Plympton91 said:
 
I didn't turn on yesterday's game until right at the point Miller threw the ball into centerfield (fitting), but I assume this is hyperbole.  Nonetheless, it never seemed fair to me to say that Carp was a bad defensive first baseman; there was really not a lot of evidence either way to make that determination given his sporadic playing time over multiple positions. 
 
Would have been nice if he hadn't gone 0-fer yesterday, but with what looks like his first opportunity to play multiple days in a row this week, hopefully he'll get into a little groove today and tomorrow.
 
No, he actually had his George Scott moment(s) in the sun. Not on botched throws, but stretching himself out.  "Who is that guy-ish?"
 

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fineyoungarm said:
 
No, he actually had his George Scott moment(s) in the sun. Not on botched throws, but stretching himself out.  "Who is that guy-ish?"
He had a really nice scoop on a one hopper from Harrera (I think). He was scretched out and scooped the ball perfectly. Additionally, on the double play in the 14th, he nicely pivoted on the throw to 2nd and threw a strike to Herrara.
 

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He had a really nice scoop on a one hopper from Harrera (I think). He was scretched out and scooped the ball perfectly. Additionally, on the double play in the 14th, he nicely pivoted on the throw to 2nd and threw a strike to Herrara.
 
He also made a very nice stretch on Holt's throw on (Joyce's?) bid for a bunt hit.
 

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Who is on the bench today? Ross, Herrera, Gomes,....?
 
Yes, that would be it. They will obviously demote someone to Pawtucket after today's game. But who? And who comes up? Hassan? Brentz? Cecchini?
 

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If they lose today, I wonder if they make some kind of desperation move to fill the last spot on the 25-man, like call up Betts or trade for someone like Ethier (mentioned by Cafardo [ug] today).
 

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Puffy said:
 
Yes, that would be it. They will obviously demote someone to Pawtucket after today's game. But who? And who comes up? Hassan? Brentz? Cecchini?
But... there is no one obvious to come up. Brentz is on the DL. Hassan hasn't been playing everyday. To sit Cecchini on the bench seems dumb.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they just keep Wilson up... at least through the Atlanta series.
 

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Cuzittt said:
But... there is no one obvious to come up. Brentz is on the DL. Hassan hasn't been playing everyday. To sit Cecchini on the bench seems dumb.

I really wouldn't be surprised if they just keep Wilson up... at least through the Atlanta series.
Playing a short bench in the NL is a terrible idea. Calling up Cecchini to travel with the team for a few days and pinch hit a few times seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do that should have no negative impact on his development. They could also bring up Vazquez with a similar idea in mind.
 

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Puffy said:
If they lose today, I wonder if they make some kind of desperation move to fill the last spot on the 25-man, like call up Betts or trade for someone like Ethier (mentioned by Cafardo [ug] today).
Look at them go, 10 in a row, and now our kids are ...

In the hands of smart people, who are very unlikely to do something long term stupid. Especially since last season left them playing with house money (though they will never admit it) with more of a year-to- year cushion.

The Carfados will be pissed and the Felger and Mazzes will go batshit crazy. Lots of people like me will be fine so long as the effort is there and the brass does not do something foolish.
 

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I was once again enjoying quality time with my two lovely daughters on the golf course rather than enduring the abomination, but I will reiterate that Brandon Workman will be a very good righthanded set up man for a long time, but he is not a starting pitcher.  Three great innings, and then they got to him the second time around the order.  It happened last year, it happened all spring in Pawtucket.  Why they don't see this, I do not know.   Is he supposedly working on a third and fourth pitch that they expect to become major league quality and complement the good fastball/excellent cutter combination that would then allow him to start?  I haven't read anything about it. 
 

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