Sean O’Sullivan (knee tendinitis) to 15-day DL

[soxhop411]

“@RyanHannable: With Brad Ziegler activated tomorrow, Sean O’Sullivan (knee tendinitis) to 15-day DL.”

“@RyanHannable: With O’Sullivan to DL, Clay Buchholz could be back in rotation after All-Star break.”



“@RyanHannable: Sean O’Sullivan on knee: ”It’s something I’ve been battling since last April.“”

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

So, four leg injuries in one day.

 

[simplicio]

Jesus, is that Hellenic tendinitis or are we literally cursed?

 

[Soxfan in Fla]

What in the holy hell is going on? This is insane.

 

[iayork]

I don’t know, I still think the Red Sox Vodoo Doll Giveaway Night was a bad idea.

 

[effectivelywild]

I don’t know, I still think the Red Sox Vodoo Doll Giveaway Night was a bad idea.

I thought that was a NYY promotion

 

[Curt S Loew]

He's got two threads devoted to him on the main board. This doesn't happen to just "anybody". I wonder if he knows?

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Thank's Farrell. Maybe if he didn't mismanage the players so much these injuries wouldn't keep cropping up!

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Is SOS out of options? He seemed fine on Friday. Could be a phantom DL.

 

[soxhop411]

“@RyanHannable: Sean O’Sullivan on knee: ”It’s something I’ve been battling since last April.“”

 

[E5 Yaz]

Is SOS out of options? He seemed fine on Friday. Could be a phantom DL.

To do what? They're going to have to replace him for at least one start

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Guess not.

Also we technically don't need a 5th starter until two Saturdays from now, right at the 15 day mark. But yes DD has to make a move shortly

 

[E5 Yaz]

Also we technically don't need a 5th starter until two Saturdays from now, right at the 15 day mark a move.

True ... but isn't O'Sullivan the fourth starter right now?

 

[Ale Xander]

Did our 5th of /15th p Lamerre or whatever pass waivers?

 

[Schadenfreude]

Thank's Farrell. Maybe if he didn't mismanage the players so much these injuries wouldn't keep cropping up!

I don't see the connection.

 

[simplicio]

Is SOS out of options? He seemed fine on Friday. Could be a phantom DL.

Yes, he had to clear waivers last time.

And yes, he's the fourth starter currently; we'll need Buchholz/Edro/Greinke (off his own 15 day DL stint just in time for the SF start on the 19th, if you're wondering) to take a start in there before he can come back.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

Thank's Farrell. Maybe if he didn't mismanage the players so much these injuries wouldn't keep cropping up!

Why does everybody blame everything on Farrell? This is getting ridiculous. Somethings are beyond a manager's control. As O'Sullivan himself states, the knee has been bothering him since April. DeJesus please explain how John Farrell is responsible for this injury. You cannot be serious.

 

[Sprowl]

You cannot be serious.

Bingo.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Why does everybody blame everything on Farrell? This is getting ridiculous. Somethings are beyond a manager's control. As O'Sullivan himself states, the knee has been bothering him since April. DeJesus please explain how John Farrell is responsible for this injury. You cannot be serious.

Your sarcasm meter failed big time.

 

[soxhop411]

Yes, he had to clear waivers last time.

And yes, he's the fourth starter currently; we'll need Buchholz/Edro/Greinke (off his own 15 day DL stint just in time for the SF start on the 19th, if you're wondering) to take a start in there before he can come back.

Unless we make a trade. I bet it's Clay that gets his 421st shot this season.

 

[threecy]

Has Tonya Harding been reached for comment?

 

[simplicio]

Unless we make a trade. I bet it's Clay that gets his 421st shot this season.

Hard to imagine DD not making a trade at this point (hence my Greinke mention). Whether he'll do it over the break or at the end of the month is anyone's guess, but I think he's done a great job so far acting fast and beating any snowballing costs. Hope he can get whatever it is done quick.

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Nothing like trading from a position of...

Just get Hill and fix Clay

Or try Kelly again {edit: 1 IP, 4H, 2K in Lowell today...maybe not}

(I don't think Rodriguez is walking through that door)

 

[E5 Yaz]

Hard to imagine DD not making a trade at this point (hence my Greinke mention). Whether he'll do it over the break or at the end of the month is anyone's guess, but I think he's done a great job so far acting fast and beating any snowballing costs. Hope he can get whatever it is done quick.

I really think you need to stop with the Greinke mentions. It ain't happening. The contract (below, from Cot's) is nuts -- particularly for a pitcher of his age. The prospect cost would crash the next four iterations of this site. And what it would do to the budget, the lux tax, and the coming contracts for the younger everyday players makes it a non-starter.

• $18M signing bonus (paid in $3M installments each 5/31, 2016-21)
• 16:$31M, 17:$31M, 18:$31M, 19:$31.5M, 20:$32M, 21:$32M
• total of $62.5M in salary is deferred ($10M each in 2016-18, $10.5M in 2019, $11M each in 2020-21), to be paid in five installments of $12.5M each 11/1, 2022-26
• under MLB calculation, deferrals reduce the present-day value of the contract to $193,849,298
  
• assignment bonus: $2M if traded
• limited no-trade protection: may block trades to 15 clubs

 

[threecy]

I find it interesting that DD seems to get all of the attribution for transactions this year, despite Hazen being GM. LL didn't seem to get all of the attribution when Theo and Ben were GM.

 

[simplicio]

I really think you need to stop with the Greinke mentions. It ain't happening. The contract (below, from Cot's) is nuts -- particularly for a pitcher of his age. The prospect cost would crash the next four iterations of this site. And what it would do to the budget, the lux tax, and the coming contracts for the younger everyday players makes it a non-starter.

• $18M signing bonus (paid in $3M installments each 5/31, 2016-21)
• 16:$31M, 17:$31M, 18:$31M, 19:$31.5M, 20:$32M, 21:$32M
• total of $62.5M in salary is deferred ($10M each in 2016-18, $10.5M in 2019, $11M each in 2020-21), to be paid in five installments of $12.5M each 11/1, 2022-26
• under MLB calculation, deferrals reduce the present-day value of the contract to $193,849,298
  
• assignment bonus: $2M if traded
• limited no-trade protection: may block trades to 15 clubs

Yeah, that was mostly tongue in cheek/playing with Henry's money.

It is such an enormous contract though that I wonder if the prospect cost would really be so tremendous. Having already traded their closer, Arizona's clearly given up on their season, and there's probably limited competition for a contract of that size. They're currently in line for pick #6 in next year's draft; their best move may be tanking this season and next and hitting that absurd FA class hard after next season.

 

[simplicio]

I find it interesting that DD seems to get all of the attribution for transactions this year, despite Hazen being GM. LL didn't seem to get all of the attribution when Theo and Ben were GM.

Has anyone really written about what Hazen's daily role is with the club? DD is clearly in control in a hands on, visible way that LL wasn't; whatever it is that Hazen does wasn't enough to make Ben want to stay, if we're to believe the official line on that.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I find it interesting that DD seems to get all of the attribution for transactions this year, despite Hazen being GM. LL didn't seem to get all of the attribution when Theo and Ben were GM.

When was the last time you heard Jed Hoyer credited with building the Cubs?

Start thinking of GM as assistant GM and President of Baseball Operations as GM and it will fall in line for you. It's just an amped up title for the same position. Part of that can be attributed to Theo when he left to go to CHC - they had to make it look like a promotion.

 

[timlinin8th]

I find it interesting that DD seems to get all of the attribution for transactions this year, despite Hazen being GM. LL didn't seem to get all of the attribution when Theo and Ben were GM.

To add to what PP posted above this, Lucky's job directly correlates to what Sam Kennedy does with the club now, and aside from a few occasional interviews you almost never hear about Kennedy.

 

[chrisfont9]

The prospect cost would crash the next four iterations of this site. A

I would never find out because I would have destroyed my computer with a bat.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

To add to what PP posted above this, Lucky's job directly correlates to what Sam Kennedy does with the club now, and aside from a few occasional interviews you almost never hear about Kennedy.

That's not quite it.

The Red Sox promoted Kennedy to do part of what Luchhino did on the business side of things, but they hired Dombrowski to do all the Baseball Ops stuff that Luchhino kept his finger in, as well.

 

[E5 Yaz]

the rotation question answered

espn: Eduardo Rodriguez, demoted two weeks ago to iron out issues with his mechanics, will be recalled to start the first game after the All-Star break next Friday night at Yankee Stadium, Red Sox manager John Farrell said Sunday.

 

[Rasputin]

the rotation question answered

espn: Eduardo Rodriguez, demoted two weeks ago to iron out issues with his mechanics, will be recalled to start the first game after the All-Star break next Friday night at Yankee Stadium, Red Sox manager John Farrell said Sunday.

Has he fixed his mechanical issues? That seems remarkably optimistic. Fixing him is more important than upgrading a couple starts from Buchholz to Rodriguez. He shouldn't be brought back up until he's fixed the things he needs to fix.

 

[Soxfan in Fla]

Has he fixed his mechanical issues? That seems remarkably optimistic. Fixing him is more important than upgrading a couple starts from Buchholz to Rodriguez. He shouldn't be brought back up until he's fixed the things he needs to fix.

Well, we agree on something. Don't know if this is a Farrell idea, DD idea or a group idea but it doesn't seem wise in my opinion. Seems rushed and possibly doomed to failure short term.

 

[RustyKuntzwasnotastripper]

Perhaps they are leading off with him because the whole bullpen will be well rested and available?

 

[simplicio]

Well, we agree on something. Don't know if this is a Farrell idea, DD idea or a group idea but it doesn't seem wise in my opinion. Seems rushed and possibly doomed to failure short term.

Or it's what they have to say to appear less weak when they're in the middle of trade negotiations.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Or it's what they have to say to appear less weak when they're in the middle of trade negotiations.

I doubt this is it. For one, Rodriguez might not be over his issues, the Yankees take advantage, and the Red Sox appear "weaker."

More importantly, the days when you can pull the wool over the eyes of other teams (except maybe Arizona ... e.g., the Miller deal) are long gone. Everyone has advance scouts, everyone has details on the progress (or lack thereof) of pitchers. Every other team saw what happened to EdRo; they aren't fooling anyone.

 

[AB in DC]

the rotation question answered

espn: Eduardo Rodriguez, demoted two weeks ago to iron out issues with his mechanics, will be recalled to start the first game after the All-Star break next Friday night at Yankee Stadium, Red Sox manager John Farrell said Sunday.

OK, this makes no sense. Steven Wright hasn't pitched since July 6. Why not start him, then Porcello and Price on six days rest? OK, maybe Wright will pitch an inning during the All Star game -- or maybe not. Either way, will one random inning on Tuesday make him unavailable on Friday?

 

[Grady's Cousin]

On the 'EEI radio broadcast today, I believe they quoted Farrell saying he wanted to set up the rotation so that he had the two lefties (i.e., Price and Edro) starting in NY.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

On the 'EEI radio broadcast today, I believe they quoted Farrell saying he wanted to set up the rotation so that he had the two lefties (i.e., Price and Edro) starting in NY.

Yeah, sure, that makes no sense.

Sounds like the ask price on getting a good starter from another team remains prohibitively high, so DDski needs to see if EdRo can show anything against anyone, over the next two weeks.

If he can, maybe all the team needs gets is a Hellickson or Cashner pick-up for the #5.

If he can't, DDski will need to make a tougher decisions on better pitchers who might get 2 playoff starts, if we're lucky.

 

[threecy]

To add to what PP posted above this, Lucky's job directly correlates to what Sam Kennedy does with the club now, and aside from a few occasional interviews you almost never hear about Kennedy.

Doesn't seem to be the case. Even the most recent ESPN Ortiz interview piece suggests Pedro called LL in front of Ortiz, that LL was the one handling the Pedro contract extension, etc. LL was also reportedly leading the failed Lester extension.

 

[simplicio]

Just back to the OT for a second, would knee tendinitis help explain why his performance leaps off a cliff around 70-80 pitches, or is that purely an exposure/third time through the order thing?

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Just back to the OT for a second, would knee tendinitis help explain why his performance leaps off a cliff around 70-80 pitches, or is that purely an exposure/third time through the order thing?

I think it's purely an exposure/third time through the order thing. If the knee tendinitis has been a chronic thing for a while, such that it affected his performance after 70-80 pitches, that would show in his minor league starts too. His pitch counts in Pawtucket, most recent first: 100 (7 IP, 24 Batters faced), 99 (8 IP, 28 BF), 73 (4 IP, 22 BF), 102 (8 IP, 31 BF), 98 (7 IP, 29 BF), 59 (4 IP, 19 BF), 108 (7 IP, 27 BF), 99 (7.1 (29 BF), 99 (6.2 IP, 26 BF), 91 5 IP, 20 BF), 97 (7 IP, 28 BF).

From that, I'd say it is more the competition level he's facing than his health.