Round 2 Bruins-Panthers

NickEsasky

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Oh I don't know, given that our typical free agent pitch is "You're old and over the hill, but have the mystique and aura of a #Winner and #LockerRoomPresence with a #HeavyGame, so we'd like to pay you well above market value for well above market years. Does that interest you?" I think we will continue to be fine there.
You forgot the NMC
 

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I mean that just tells you everything you need to know about how they feel about Marchand and the Bruins up in Canada. They’re never going to get a fair shake from the league, so they might as well embrace it and stop playing nice.
The entire situation is an enormous joke to them.

At some point there will be another Bertuzzi-Moore style incident because of this and it will be entirely the fault of the league office.
 

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Thanks. I'm sorry to the entire board for going on a bit of a rant. The stuff going on in my life right now is a lot, but that doesn't excuse me for going off in that way.
Eh, fuck off with the apology. :) It’s not needed. I hope mom kicks ass.
 

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This was cathartic.

I mean, part of what is so enraging about all of this is that it all seems so completely corrupt that you start to wonder -- I do at least -- if I am losing it with my paranoid sense of the league being out to get the Bruins. But when even your haters know you are right...


(And I thought I was tin-foil-hatting the Colin Campbell bit, which, at a minimum is an obvious conflict of interest for which the league needs to have some clearly publicized fire walls in place to prevent even the appearance of undue influence. Since they don't it is hard to not feel like something stinks there.)
 

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You aren't paranoid. The league is absolutely out to get the Bruins. This isn't in question. Some of the league folks are even subtle about it. There is a deep and corrosive bias against the Bruins in the league offices and has been that way for many years.

They can't breaks the hearts of the Canucks and Leafs for so long that there wouldn't be consequences. So here we are.

I am not a crank.
 

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The Colin Campbell thing has been around for a while. The narrative around the other 30 fanbases around 2011 was theBig Bad Bruins get away with murder because they had Greg Campbell.

To be frank I don't think there are any grand conspiracies or favoritism from the league. I think it's general inconsistency and incompetence at the highest levels. I think 31 other fan bases have the same "they're out to get us!" as we do.

The highest levels of the organization, on the officating and player safety side, are run by Colin Campbell who has an extensive track record of being a buffoon and George Parros who spent his career punching people and getting punched. These are the people in charge.

Edit: Just to be clear on Campbell, he sent an email to an official who called a high sticking penalty on his son Greg when he was with the Panthers in which he referred to Marc Savard (who took the high stick) as a "little fake artist." He also wrote an email to the director of officiating complaining about a penalty called against Greg that led to a tying goal. This is the man they have overseeing all of hockey operations, including officiating and player safety.
 
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Cotillion

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The Colin Campbell thing has been around for a while. The narrative around the other 30 fanbases around 2011 was theBig Bad Bruins get away with murder because they had Greg Campbell.

To be frank I don't think there are any grand conspiracies or favoritism from the league. I think it's general inconsistency and incompetence at the highest levels. I think 31 other fan bases have the same "they're out to get us!" as we do.

The highest levels of the organization, on the officating and player safety side, are run by Colin Campbell who has an extensive track record of being a buffoon and George Parros who spent his career punching people and getting punched. These are the people in charge.
The most interesting and damning details from the unsealed documents in the NHL concussion lawsuit - SBNation.com

The emails from all the NHL lawsuits don't do Campbell any favors on being a buffoon and also really bad at his job.
 

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The Colin Campbell thing has been around for a while. The narrative around the other 30 fanbases around 2011 was theBig Bad Bruins get away with murder because they had Greg Campbell.

To be frank I don't think there are any grand conspiracies or favoritism from the league. I think it's general inconsistency and incompetence at the highest levels. I think 31 other fan bases have the same "they're out to get us!" as we do.

The highest levels of the organization, on the officating and player safety side, are run by Colin Campbell who has an extensive track record of being a buffoon and George Parros who spent his career punching people and getting punched. These are the people in charge.
Yeah I think someone posted the Machiavelli version of Hanlon's Razor in the gamethread "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Im somewhere between that and possibly some subconscious type bias...as in I do think there's a chance there is some bias against the Bruins coming from the league office, but cant imagine there are directives coming down from the top to punish them.
 

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Yeah I think someone posted the Machiavelli version of Hanlon's Razor in the gamethread "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Im somewhere between that and possibly some subconscious type bias...as in I do think there's a chance there is some bias against the Bruins coming from the league office, but cant imagine there are directives coming down from the top to punish them.
I definitely subscribe to Hanlon's Razon being the root of this. I'll throw in that part of the stupidity is that the belief that the Bruins are cheap shot artists and don't deserve any benefit of the doubt.
 

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That's good. His scream at 0:40 sounds so familiar but I can't quite place it. I feel like it's in the vein of Always Sunny, Curb, Family Guy, etc. It's driving me nuts.

Also put me down in the mere incompetence as opposed to malice camp. There are plenty of examples of baffling calls that go against other teams. Perhaps there's a tiny bit of malice involved, but it's the cherry, not the sundae.
 

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I think the malice comes in secondarily. Like, they blow a call out of incompetence, and then "fuck em" out of malice and won't look to get it right when they would do so with most other teams.
 

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I'd be more impressed by the incompetence argument if we had some fun examples of Tkachuk getting rung up for a slash that looks like a Chuck Knoblauch tag in the basepaths.
 

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Yeah I think someone posted the Machiavelli version of Hanlon's Razor in the gamethread "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Im somewhere between that and possibly some subconscious type bias...as in I do think there's a chance there is some bias against the Bruins coming from the league office, but cant imagine there are directives coming down from the top to punish them.
Stupidity, and they really don’t want to do anything.

They would rather just let everything go honestly, and they only act to discipline someone when they feel like they HAVE TO based on public outrage.

And for Parros, Campbell, etc. the amount and tone of the chatter that they hear on the radio on the way into work absolutely has an affect on whether or not they feel there is sufficient public outrage where they have to act.

And when every transgression against the Bruins is portrayed as “a tap” or “a noogie” or they just don’t talk about it, but every transgression that the Bruins commit generates outrage up there, this is what happens.
 

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There’s a difference between a ref missing a call in the heat of the moment, and the league choosing not to overturn a call or discipline a player. An official missing a slashing call because he had his head turned for a second happens all the time at every level of hockey. That can be chalked up to incompetency. Not suspending Bennett, letting his goal stand despite plenty of time to review, can be seen as a deliberate attempt to f over the Bruins.
 

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Or fans asking for police investigations.
All joking aside (well, semi-aside), has there ever been a case of a fan or fans filing suit against a professional sports league for perceived or even confirmed criminal behavior? Like, to use a legitimate example, did Sacramento fans ever consider going after the NBA for the Donaghy stuff? I'm not saying that should happen here, obviously, but what recourse do the fans have beyond tuning out (which we've learned doesn't really happen in any significant numbers where a league would notice) and boycotting? There have been some calls to boycott the team for refusing to publicly criticize the league in pressers, but maybe 0.5% of fans who say to will actually do so (and that may be a very liberal guess), which will just bump a few people up on the season ticket waitlist and allow for more people to buy day-of tickets. Whether you believe the league has it out for Boston or just get a case of the stupids in certain situations that involve the Bruins (and/or other teams), is the only other option to just not watch NHL hockey?

What else can frustrated fans do? I'm honestly curious.
 

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Pirate the games or don't watch in general. Don't attend games.

This was year 1 of that for me and it's... pretty freeing
 

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PK Subban carrying the leagues water on ESPN multiple times today. Basically saying fans can’t complain about officiating, Bennett’s goal/interference is no issue because the Bruins shouldn’t have put them on the PP, and the punch to Marchand is due to him because he has gotten away with things in the past.
 

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PK Subban carrying the leagues water on ESPN multiple times today. Basically saying fans can’t complain about officiating, Bennett’s goal/interference is no issue because the Bruins shouldn’t have put them on the PP, and the punch to Marchand is due to him because he has gotten away with things in the past.
PK can go fuck himself when he’s done fucking himself.
 

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I wasn't going to watch this one after the nonsense of the last few games and the resignation that the Bruins had hit the end of their season, but I relented and I am glad I did. I missed *all* the scoring, but it was nice to see the B's playing with a sense of urgency.
 

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If Brad can play in game six, I really hope the roster move is to just sit Maroon.

Maybe more Brazeau to the 4th and slide Freddy to the third line and keep the rest of it the same for what they were doing in game 5.
 

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Maroon’s played really well given his role as a fourth liner IMO. He gets hemmed in at times and his bad plays are noticeable given his lack of foot speed but he’s been very effective down low and I don’t think 6-8 minutes of Lauko or Boqvist is going to have a material difference.
 

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Given everything that has happened the last few days, that was as satisfying a win as I could hope for. Swayman's last save got me goosebumps.
 

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That was the most pretzel twisting, nerve wracking, but fun game to watch. This team has balls I’ll give them that. I’m super happy for McAvoy. Hopefully that game unlocks him because he was the 2nd best player on the ice after Swayman.

All the pressure is on them. Come out with the shoot first mentality again and hopefully the raucous crowd can help lift them enough to give us another 60 minutes. Because know this: this fake tough Florida team will be shitting bricks if it goes to Game 7.
 

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Would it be too much to ask if the Bruins were finally on the opposite side of a serious series comeback? It's good to be the underdog when it feels like everything is stacked against you.
It's nice having true playoff hockey back where one derives little joy from watching because they die a little with every play.
 

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Didn't watch the game but was nice to see Monty calling out the FL flopping from behind the bench and after the game on the clips i did see. He seems to be turning the corner on calling out the bullshit.
 

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Easily the best 5x5 game the Bruins have played in a while, which is encouraging.

23-17 shots
16-14 scoring chances
12-3 high danger chances
68% xGF%

Still struggling to score. They've only scored more than 2 goals once in the last 8 games. They aren't going to survive winning 2-1 every night.
 

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The Paul Maurice love is irking me. Has a coach who has been behind an NHL bench for 25 seasons, only made the playoffs in 10 of them and been to 2 Cups without winning ever been more beloved by the media? I mean they basically told Monty to STFU during his bench interview last night so they could show and praise this jackass for yelling at his team.The majority of national chatter this morning is chortling about Maurice’s press conference.

What an insufferable douche.

View: https://twitter.com/liam_mchugh/status/1790576061756977310?s=46&t=23orJRFkAhpzRtm4p3-oEw
 

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Am I wrong that Fredric has had a chance to score in each of these games, in alone on the goalie, and he has failed each time to lift the puck? Twice last night. I like Frederic but this would be a very different series if he puts those pucks in the net.
 

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The Paul Maurice love is irking me. Has a coach who has been behind an NHL bench for 25 seasons, only made the playoffs in 10 of them and been to 2 Cups without winning ever been more beloved by the media? I mean they basically told Monty to STFU during his bench interview last night so they could show and praise this jackass for yelling at his team.The majority of national chatter this morning is chortling about Maurice’s press conference.

What an insufferable douche.

View: https://twitter.com/liam_mchugh/status/1790576061756977310?s=46&t=23orJRFkAhpzRtm4p3-oEw
They posted his exactly .500 playoff record. (now 1 under). Didn't strike me as especially God-like at the time.
 

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Am I wrong that Fredric has had a chance to score in each of these games, in alone on the goalie, and he has failed each time to lift the puck? Twice last night. I like Frederic but this would be a very different series if he puts those pucks in the net.
He and DeBrusk have both had numerous chances to put games on ice, and…choked.

Need to finish the layups when they’re there.
 

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I think the graphic said “5th most wins among active coaches”. That’s nice but he is the all time biggest loser in regular season and playoff games among coaches. They won’t talk about that. He is the very definition of mediocre. Nothing is shocking with the NHL coaching carousel, but he parlayed poor Toronto and Carolina (2nd) stints into the Winnipeg job. He did Ok and quit during the season. Baffling how he got the FLA job and a stacked roster.
 

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They posted his exactly .500 playoff record. (now 1 under). Didn't strike me as especially God-like at the time.
Reminds me of Jeff Fisher. .500 record, lost (a) championship(s), high on his own bullshit, & coaches his players to be dirty.

Let's hope he never wins a Cup, unless he's behind the bench with players having a Spoked B on their jerseys.
 

Cotillion

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Reminds me of Jeff Fisher. .500 record, lost (a) championship(s), high on his own bullshit, & coaches his players to be dirty.

Let's hope he never wins a Cup, unless he's behind the bench with players having a Spoked B on their jerseys.
Fisher's true superpower was the friendships and willingness to give the media a quote they could use.