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How could they not have seen all angles? Are they that incompetent? Shows how little they care about player safety that they can't even be bothered to look into it. Nothing but lip service.
 

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I’m sure it has nothing to do with the finances. So Sweeney shouldn’t haven’t brought it up as the reason.
I think Sweeney brought it up because it was a factor to him. I'm sure there were other factors as well. Sweeney is telling us finances are a factor. We should listen to him.
 

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The Rangers called out Parros a few years ago. They did what the Bruins should be doing.

He was an enforcer. He clearly has always had the mindset that shit players like Tom Wilson or Bennett do is stuff he would have done.
And the NHL fined the Rangers 250,000 and then the Rangers fired Davidson and Gorton. Didn't work out well.
 

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This is exactly the point others have made. LeBrun is another Toronto guy, correct? If you've watched the last two games and your takeaway is that the Bruins are whining, you're either a moron or you're just gaslighting.
To be faaaaaaaaaair, calling a press conference to say . . . whatever the fuck Sweeney was trying to say is unglued. It’s like the opposite of what a well-glued organization does.
 

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To be faaaaaaaaaair, calling a press conference to say . . . whatever the fuck Sweeney was trying to say is unglued. It’s like the opposite of what a well-glued organization does.
I don't want to get all semantic, but is it unglued? Or is it pointless and dumb?


I dunno. This is just so ridiculous and doesn't make want to bother to watch tomorrow.
 

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Also, after listening to the whole thing, I thought Sweeney came off a bit better today than the real-time summaries on Twitter. It wasn't great and won't be satisfying but it was a little more pointed and direct.

He shouldn't have led off by telling the media to not ask Monty about officiating. I believe his intention was to lean into the league needing to be more transparent but it came across as whiny and him tsk tsking the media. He went on to say that the Bruins challenged the play so their opinion of the call is obvious and the league needs to make the officials and supervisors available so they can explain "whatever interpretation they applied to rule 69."

As for Marchand/Bennett, he called for DoPS to put out an explanation for their interpretation of the situation. "We've seen every angle you can possibly imagine, no different than when Marchand is called to the carpet and we go through all the comparables, that's their job." Then backs off and says they have to live with DoPS judgement.

I think he likely gets fined, it wasn't as bad as the original reaction made it seem, but he also didn't quite get his monies worth if he indeed does get fined.
The league should do this for ALL controversial plays that happen in games, not just for discipline. I'd love to see a report similar to the NBA's Last Two Minutes report to understand why something was called or not called a certain way.
 

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If you’re looking for a representative number of “well glued” organizations and are looking at the NHL you are looking in the wrong place.

Before running out with pitchforks for Neely and Sweeney take a look around and see what other fan bases are dealing with.
 

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I fear this is their Miller moment. Lucic runs miller in the entire Buffalo organization acts like a giant balless coward and then completely implodes. How exactly does the pitch to free agents go now? Come to Boston to be boned consistently by officiating and guarantee that you have no backing from your organization. Cheapshot artists can take liberties with you at will! Also we have good chowder. I'll say it for like the fourth time this all starts at the very top and nearly is a terrible executive is spineles on these sorts of things. Or at the very least he's completely incompetent you can take your pick.
 

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would be nice wouldn't it?
I wonder if they'll do the STH meeting thing again this year. We should get a bunch of us to go and ask question after question about it
I am not a STH (relocated out of town), but I like this idea. This is how change happens. That and when the money slows up…
 

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If you’re looking for a representative number of “well glued” organizations and are looking at the NHL you are looking in the wrong place.

Before running out with pitchforks for Neely and Sweeney take a look around and see what other fan bases are dealing with.
I know I have to keep reminding myself that. As bad as this is, there are 24 teams that are already done for the season that would love to be in this position.
 

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I fear this is their Miller moment. Lucic runs miller in the entire Buffalo organization acts like a giant balless coward and then completely implodes. How exactly does the pitch to free agents go now? Come to Boston to be boned consistently by officiating and guarantee that you have no backing from your organization. Cheapshot artists can take liberties with you at will! Also we have good chowder. I'll say it for like the fourth time this all starts at the very top and nearly is a terrible executive is spineles on these sorts of things. Or at the very least he's completely incompetent you can take your pick.
Offer guys the most money and most of that other stuff tends to work itself out.
 

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I fear this is their Miller moment. Lucic runs miller in the entire Buffalo organization acts like a giant balless coward and then completely implodes. How exactly does the pitch to free agents go now? Come to Boston to be boned consistently by officiating and guarantee that you have no backing from your organization. Cheapshot artists can take liberties with you at will! Also we have good chowder. I'll say it for like the fourth time this all starts at the very top and nearly is a terrible executive is spineles on these sorts of things. Or at the very least he's completely incompetent you can take your pick.
We're going to disagree on Neely but FWIW we don't know what they do behind closed doors. Just because they don't publicly admonish the league doesn't mean it's not happening.
 

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I don't want to get all semantic, but is it unglued? Or is it pointless and dumb?


I dunno. This is just so ridiculous and doesn't make want to bother to watch tomorrow.
Yeah, I think it is, though I take your semantic point, which is not entirely without merit. A buttoned up, squared away, well-glued organization doesn’t do whatever the fuck happened earlier while making new-comer Pat fucking Maroon available for comment. I think they’re probably a week or so from starting a urine jar collection and refusing to cut their fingernails at this point. :)
 
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We're going to disagree on Neely but FWIW we don't know what they do behind closed doors. Just because they don't publicly admonish the league doesn't mean it's not happening.
I think that's fair. On the other hand I think we can agree that whatever they're doing is not working.
 

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I think that's fair. On the other hand I think we can agree that whatever they're doing is not working.
When it comes to Cam I just come back to he was a hot head when he played and he's the most emotional of the executives in the box watching the games. Add in this story from Fris. Do we think a guy who got this upset over a faceoff loss in the middle of the regular season just sits on his hands and shuts his mouth when a bad call goes against the Bruins in a high leverage situation?

I get that there's a desire that he or the team could be more public about their grievances, and I could get behind that, but I don't think iside the building they just grit their teeth and move on. Angry phone calls and emails were almost certainly made.

Claude, Donnie, and Cam all were on board with this idea. The team was on the road, and I was watching their next game at a bar in Allston. I was psyched to see Kerjci in for a DZ FO in the 2nd period with the Bruins up a goal. Anyway, predictably Krejci lost the faceoff clean back to the point, where the defenseman took a slap shot that was tipped in for a tie game. Ugh. I turned to the person I was with and said, "I am going to get fired." I mean, I could hear Cam from Allston screaming "1 in 50!!!" Indeed, I dd hear later from Donnie that Cam was pretty upset when that happened (an understatement), and he didn't hesitate to let me know it the next time he saw me. But by then he was calmed down, and his ball busting was done mostly in jest.
 

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Yeah, I think it is, though I take your semantic point, which is not entirely without merit. A buttoned up, squared away, well-glued organization doesn’t do whatever the fuck happened earlier while making new-comer Pat fucking Maroon available for comment. I think they’re probably a week or so from starting a urine jar collection and refusing to cut their fingernails at this point. :)
And yeah, I hadn't even gotten into processing that part. I understand you don't want to roll out your newly concussed captain there, but maybe someone with an A on their jersey? And not the new guy you just acquired who won't be here next year?!?!
 

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At least we'll get an offseason of hearing how they need to get "grittier" and "harder to play against". So we have that going for us, which is nice, I guess.
Looks like we got an early start on the offseason, judging from ~half of the comments here.

At least Sweeney answered the (mostly unasked) question, are the Bs soft from the top down, or just on the ice?

Someone here pointed out that players like Hathaway have changed when they came to the Bs, which probably pointed to top-down, but additional confirmation never hurts.
 

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And yeah, I hadn't even gotten into processing that part. I understand you don't want to roll out your newly concussed captain there, but maybe someone with an A on their jersey? And not the new guy you just acquired who won't be here next year?!?!
It seems obvious. Maroon was issuing an invitation to dance to everyone on that team. He called them out as cowards indirectly. They are dodging him and not willing to live up to the “code”. He’s trying to publicly embarrass them. Do you want McAvoy out making that invitation? Florida will gladly tap him on the shoulder and accept that offer.
 

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Do you have a transcript of his comments?


I still think it's ridiculous that he was the only player there. No coach. No team leadership. Just your short-termer goon, alongside your GM who said... about the worst possible thing he could have said.
 

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Yeah, I'm not convinced that the issue is the Bruins players needing to toughen up.

Just last week we watched Marchand get tackled, obstructed and dropped by Holmberg, only to have Marchand get up, skate over toward Holmberg and find himself tackled by the ref -- and then they go with matching penalties.

I mean, come on. What are they supposed to do?

Florida flops. The penalty on Lindholm that led to a goal was just total embellishment.

The Bruins were supposed to come out all fired up in game 3 and bang, Geekie gets a penalty for finishing a check.

It's just... they're damned if they do, damned if they don't
 

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Yeah, I'm not convinced that the issue is the Bruins players needing to toughen up.

Just last week we watched Marchand get tackled, obstructed and dropped by Holmberg, only to have Marchand get up, skate over toward Holmberg and find himself tackled by the ref -- and then they go with matching penalties.

I mean, come on. What are they supposed to do?

Florida flops. The penalty on Lindholm that led to a goal was just total embellishment.

The Bruins were supposed to come out all fired up in game 3 and bang, Geekie gets a penalty for finishing a check.

It's just... they're damned if they do, damned if they don't
The Tcachuk interference call was insane. Someone finally lights him up with a perfectly legal check with the puck right there just as in regular season (yet alone playoff hockey), and the Bruins took a penalty for interference.

It's absurd. They are doing everything they can other than just saying "fuck this game/series, I'm going to take a game misconduct, 5 for fighting, and instigator penalty" which a huge chunk of this board would then be up in arms for the B's player taking a dumb penalty.
 

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The Tcachuk interference call was insane. Someone finally lights him up with a perfectly legal check with the puck right there just as in regular season (yet alone playoff hockey), and the Bruins took a penalty for interference.

It's absurd. They are doing everything they can other than just saying "fuck this game/series, I'm going to take a game misconduct, 5 for fighting, and instigator penalty" which a huge chunk of this board would then be up in arms for the B's player taking a dumb penalty.
That interference call was also the same hit they allowed McAvoy to crush Reinhart with on the first play of the game. Just incredibly inconsistent throughout the game.
 

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It seems obvious. Maroon was issuing an invitation to dance to everyone on that team. He called them out as cowards indirectly. They are dodging him and not willing to live up to the “code”. He’s trying to publicly embarrass them. Do you want McAvoy out making that invitation? Florida will gladly tap him on the shoulder and accept that offer.
Maroon standing off to the side during a GMs press conference isn't going to embarrass anyone aside from the Bruins organization itself since all his lone presence there has done is made people wonder where the long-time players are.

You want to send a message via optics? You - at the very least - need the people with the letters on their jerseys to be visible rather than just your rent-a-tough. Anything else is useless at best.

Also, Maroon trying to live by the "code" here is dumb. Florida very obviously doesn't give a shit about the "code". Instead of complaining no one will fight you even though you asked so nicely, maybe just... punch someone in the face? See if it works?
 

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Do you have a transcript of his comments?


I still think it's ridiculous that he was the only player there. No coach. No team leadership. Just your short-termer goon, alongside your GM who said... about the worst possible thing he could have said.
So this was essentially the normal travel day routine. Monty typically does media before they get on the plane, plus one or two players. Sweeney took Monty’s place today because he didn’t want Monty to have to field the officiating questions.

As for the players, Coyle, McAvoy, Pastrnak and Swayman did media after the game. I’m guessing they didn’t see the point in those guys repeating the same answers they gave 12 hours earlier. Marchand can’t do media because he is injured. The media can also request specific players, maybe the Bruins got a lot of requests for Maroon. Who knows.Maroon has consistently done media since he resumed playing, it wasn’t unusual for him to be the one. While he’s only been here for 10 minutes he’s a veteran and is used to the attention/questions. Maybe Carlo could’ve done it too or something but he keeps a low profile.
 

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What’s crazy is that they could very conceivably be at 2-2, despite that.
 

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Yeah, I'm not convinced that the issue is the Bruins players needing to toughen up.

Just last week we watched Marchand get tackled, obstructed and dropped by Holmberg, only to have Marchand get up, skate over toward Holmberg and find himself tackled by the ref -- and then they go with matching penalties.

I mean, come on. What are they supposed to do?

Florida flops. The penalty on Lindholm that led to a goal was just total embellishment.

The Bruins were supposed to come out all fired up in game 3 and bang, Geekie gets a penalty for finishing a check.

It's just... they're damned if they do, damned if they don't
The Tcachuk interference call was insane. Someone finally lights him up with a perfectly legal check with the puck right there just as in regular season (yet alone playoff hockey), and the Bruins took a penalty for interference.

It's absurd. They are doing everything they can other than just saying "fuck this game/series, I'm going to take a game misconduct, 5 for fighting, and instigator penalty" which a huge chunk of this board would then be up in arms for the B's player taking a dumb penalty.
I would say that if the refs cannot police the game fairly, then it's up to the players. And if you're worried that someone like Pat Maroon potentially facing DOPS penalties for doing the right thing and not letting the Marchand sucker punch go unanswered (among many other things), then you've already lost the series.

I mean, I get it. The goal is to win the series, and always being in the box makes that impossible. But, with the refs being so obviously complicit, I'm more than happy for a few pounds of flesh instead. In any case, this "well, we tried to answer their physicality, but got penalized, so just.. stopped" mentality is a loser's mentality. Geekie should hit the next guy harder (not to injure, but to make a point). Bennett should be hunted for a full 60 minutes. That sort of thing.

You don't stop fighting because the world is unfair. You fight harder. I was born with Arthrogryposis Multiplex Congenita, which is essentially a form of Muscular Dystrophy. I had over 40 surgeries at Children's in Boston. I deal with pressure sores and joint pain and diabetes. I fight every day in my electric wheelchair to have some kind of life.

My mom is my caregiver. She was diagnosed with esophageal cancer in October despite never being a smoker or drinker. She went through chemo and radiation January -> February. She's currently in a Dana Farber/Brigham's ICU bed after having her esophagectomy earlier today. And you know what? They found more cancer in the tissue they couldn't remove because the stomach needs something to anchor to. So, she's probably going to need more chemo and radiation once she's well enough to handle it.

If my chubby, disabled 44 year old ass and my nearly 76 year old mother can fight, so can these players. And you know what? I hope they all read this and I hope - to a man - they're embarrassed. Stop being fucking babies and fight back. And if you can't win, at the very least take them screaming into hell with you. Because anything else, anything less, is cowardly.
 

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I wasn’t his biggest fan by any stretch but Harry Sinden would never have let this all happen unanswered
 

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The Tcachuk interference call was insane. Someone finally lights him up with a perfectly legal check with the puck right there just as in regular season (yet alone playoff hockey), and the Bruins took a penalty for interference.

It's absurd. They are doing everything they can other than just saying "fuck this game/series, I'm going to take a game misconduct, 5 for fighting, and instigator penalty" which a huge chunk of this board would then be up in arms for the B's player taking a dumb penalty.
Bullshit.
 

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I think, why also realizing that there was a real chance that series could be 2-2, I think the refereeing, Sweeneys press conference, etc is window dressing. I think Fla is the overwhelmingly better team and has been completely dominating in such large portions of this series. Boston, even with Marchie just can’t develop enough offense, can’t get any in zone time, can’t stop making lazy clearing passes, to me, to think that this should be anything more than a 6 game series at max. The better team is winning, and that is with the Bruins goalie playing out of his mind.
 

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14 minutes into the rags-canes game and there has already been a hit later than the Geekie one and with the puck farther away than the Lindholm one.
Reader, I'll let you guess how many penalties were called.
 

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I mean that just tells you everything you need to know about how they feel about Marchand and the Bruins up in Canada. They’re never going to get a fair shake from the league, so they might as well embrace it and stop playing nice.
 

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I mean that just tells you everything you need to know about how they feel about Marchand and the Bruins up in Canada. They’re never going to get a fair shake from the league, so they might as well embrace it and stop playing nice.
Yup. Bunch of bitter fucks. Sorry that your pathetic franchise with every media and financial advantage possible can't win shit in a league with more than six teams.
 

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I fear this is their Miller moment. Lucic runs miller in the entire Buffalo organization acts like a giant balless coward and then completely implodes. How exactly does the pitch to free agents go now? Come to Boston to be boned consistently by officiating and guarantee that you have no backing from your organization. Cheapshot artists can take liberties with you at will! Also we have good chowder. I'll say it for like the fourth time this all starts at the very top and nearly is a terrible executive is spineles on these sorts of things. Or at the very least he's completely incompetent you can take your pick.
Oh I don't know, given that our typical free agent pitch is "You're old and over the hill, but have the mystique and aura of a #Winner and #LockerRoomPresence with a #HeavyGame, so we'd like to pay you well above market value for well above market years. Does that interest you?" I think we will continue to be fine there.