Romo Replacing Simms in CBS Booth: Praise All Gods!!!

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Wow. I assume they really respect Romo and couldn't pry a pick from a competitor, so they let him walk.

Thats...suprising.
 

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Can Houston really afford a cap hit for Romo while they already have Brock? If I was the Texans GM I'd rather keep say Bouye + Brock than have Romo + Brock.

Meanwhile, will Elway want to go the old QB route again, especially with an injury prone one...

Both the Texans and Denver have dilemmas here IMO
 

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Technically, he hasn't been released yet.

 

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Good luck to Romo wherever he lands. I've always wanted to root for him but couldn't get past the star.
 

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Wow. I assume they really respect Romo and couldn't pry a pick from a competitor, so they let him walk.

Thats...suprising.
I think this is really about the cap, not his value on the field

Dallas would struggle to eat the cap hit fully this year (which they'd have to do in a trade) and no one else wants his contract as-is either, meaning little/no draft value being offered for him. The cap-friendly move for Dallas is to cut and designate post-June 1 and that's what they are doing.
 

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That is correct. By releasing him, they suddenly go from $9M under the cap to $23M and able to sign some free agents - including their own. I think that has far more value to this team than a conditional third round pick, or whatever other piddly return they would get which would be suppressed by his contract and age.
 

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Or maybe not. Reports now are that he may be traded.

If he's traded or released, looks like the Cowboys gain about $5M in cap space.
Romo is currently 24.7 against cap with 19.6 in dead money. So 5.1 "savings"

If designated June 1st. Cowboys can spread that 19.6 over two years but have to carry Romo on their cap at his current cap number until June 1st.
 

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So is the fact that he's still a Cowboy really all about trying to get something in return, or is there some chance he's going to be a Cowboy this season?
 

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Don't dismiss the possibility that he could retire and Jerry can't/won't trade him until it's clear he actually intends to play in 2017.
 

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Please do this Tony. Replace a very good analyst in Lynch.

You're 37, probably broken, and those of us who paid attention will always view you as a very, very good QB.
 

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I'm confused. Has he been released? The thread title has been the same for quite a while, and I'm not sure it's been accurate during its time.
 

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I'm confused. Has he been released? The thread title has been the same for quite a while, and I'm not sure it's been accurate during its time.
If this is the only place you're following NFL news, then you deserve to be confused.

Romo hasn't been released. Cowboys apparently still think they can trade him. Dallas also likely would love the "retire to the booth" option because of cap implications
 

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In fairness to him, I forgot this thread existed then just saw it in the "Most Recent Post" thing and started checking around for the news.
 

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Can someone explain to me just what Jerry's long game is here? Room isn't starting for his team next year. No one is trading for a guy who can barely stand upright for a week at a time. Houston isn't exactly going to ruin Dallas if they run him out there.

What the fuck is going on?
 

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Why not wait? Maybe someone offers you something.
Maybe Prescott gets hurt in mini camp.

There is no rush on Cowboys side.
 

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I may be the only person on the planet that feels they make the superbowl with Romo last year starting at the end of the season. I kept waiting for that Brady/Bledsoe moment where Brady got hurt and Drew saved the day to give people a glimpse of what Romo could do, only I firmly believe in this case it would have resulted in the reverse of Brady/Bledsoe and they would have stuck with Romo. But the opportunity never arose, and due to Romo being crapped on by Cowboy fans for many years the switch was never possible. I think he is one of the most underappreciated QB's of this generation, constantly holding crap teams together and having to take chances to keep them in games.

He has no leverage though, and as BigJimEd says the cowboys are in no rush as they have what they think is the QB of the future and a great backup. The release, nah never mind he might be too good thing just sucks IMO but alas it's a discussion about a millionaire not getting a shot...
 

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I may be the only person on the planet that feels they make the superbowl with Romo last year starting at the end of the season.
I assure you, you are not. Prescott took the position by the horns - assuring that it's his team going forward - and he wasn't necessarily the reason they lost to Green Bay (we have Garrett and his stupid timeout to thank for that) but I always thought they had a better shot with Romo.

The reason why Romo is still on the roster is because that ship has already sailed. They have nothing to gain by releasing him at this point so they might as well stash him in case there's another Teddy Bridgewater situation in training camp. If Sam "Checkdown" Bradford can command a desperation first round pick, it stands to reason Romo could as well. And if the training camp injury happens to be Prescott, the Cowboys aren't stuck with Kellen Moore and his dumbfuckery sinking yet another promising season.

That's rather flimsy logic in the face of having lost their entire starting secondary due to not having any money, but that's really all that can be said to attempt to explain what is going on at Cowboys HQ.
 

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With the ship having sailed in FA, and any new talent acquisition now deferred to the draft, this makes a lot of sense to me.
 

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Wait, Tony Romo is under-appreciated?

I've never seen a guy that spends so much time on IR receive so many accolades. How can you be under-appreciated when you spend large swaths of time off the field?
 

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I get what you guys are saying. But all of this "Jerry is thoughtfully maintaining his options" talk seems to be in direct contrast to the metric shit ton of "Jerry wants to do right by Tony" bullshit that preceded this period and was very clearly rooted in letting Tony do his thing because his time as a Cowboy had come to an end.

What changed? Did Jerry seriously not think Houston would want him?
 

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I may be the only person on the planet that feels they make the superbowl with Romo last year starting at the end of the season. I kept waiting for that Brady/Bledsoe moment where Brady got hurt and Drew saved the day to give people a glimpse of what Romo could do, only I firmly believe in this case it would have resulted in the reverse of Brady/Bledsoe and they would have stuck with Romo. But the opportunity never arose, and due to Romo being crapped on by Cowboy fans for many years the switch was never possible. I think he is one of the most underappreciated QB's of this generation, constantly holding crap teams together and having to take chances to keep them in games.

He has no leverage though, and as BigJimEd says the cowboys are in no rush as they have what they think is the QB of the future and a great backup. The release, nah never mind he might be too good thing just sucks IMO but alas it's a discussion about a millionaire not getting a shot...
Yes, their upside was higher with Romo last year, but don't see how the Cowboys could have played it differently.

Wait, Tony Romo is under-appreciated?

I've never seen a guy that spends so much time on IR receive so many accolades. How can you be under-appreciated when you spend large swaths of time off the field?
This post is sort of a good example.

He broke down at age 35, but before that played all 10 games when he took over in 2006, then 16/13/16/6 (broken collar bone, only time he was IRd/16/16/15/15. Not Eli or Brady, but hardly some injury prone mess.

When he played he was super effective. He's 4th all time in ANY/A at 7.03 slightly behind Tom Brady's 7.09

He's one of the best quarterbacks of the modern era. He probably wont make the Hall of Fame, but he's a better quarterback than contemporaries who will make the Hall of Fame (looking at you Eli Manning).

That said, I'll be shocked if he makes it through another 16 game season.
 

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Prescott was this year's Beuerlein and Romo was Aikman. Or maybe it's the other way around. Not sure.
 

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That's a completely different offense with Romo under center. Dak's running ability opens up all sorts of possibilities; even if you seldom ask him to run, forcing the defense to account for him as a potential ball carrier makes Elliott harder to stop, and also forces defenses to blitz differently than they would against Romo.

If I had to pick one of those QBs to back up TB12 for a few weeks, I'd choose Romo in a heartbeat, but in the Cowboys' offense, Dak probably brings more to the table.
 

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Wait, Tony Romo is under-appreciated?

I've never seen a guy that spends so much time on IR receive so many accolades. How can you be under-appreciated when you spend large swaths of time off the field?
Do you follow football via SportsCenter and talk radio? This is a guy who played with a broken rib and a punctured lung five fucking seasons ago. Or is it just that your memory is so short that you only remember the most recent season? Anyone with half a brain knows this mentality is horse shit and has no basis in reality. Cool rant though, bro.

That's a completely different offense with Romo under center. Dak's running ability opens up all sorts of possibilities; even if you seldom ask him to run, forcing the defense to account for him as a potential ball carrier makes Elliott harder to stop, and also forces defenses to blitz differently than they would against Romo.

If I had to pick one of those QBs to back up TB12 for a few weeks, I'd choose Romo in a heartbeat, but in the Cowboys' offense, Dak probably brings more to the table.
Yes, Prescott adds a different wrinkle to the offense but Romo would have brought something that Prescott didn't: the ability to stretch the field. Let's not forget how much room Murray had to run in 2014 when Romo was dropping bombs on defenses with eight men in the box. Taking age and longevity into account, I agree with you that Prescott brings more in the long run. But last year, a healthy Romo is a better shot than a rookie Prescott.
 

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Do you follow football via SportsCenter and talk radio? This is a guy who played with a broken rib and a punctured lung five fucking seasons ago. Or is it just that your memory is so short that you only remember the most recent season? Anyone with half a brain knows this mentality is horse shit and has no basis in reality. Cool rant though, bro.
Since becoming a full-time starter in 2007, Tony Romo has started 73% of the regular season games the Cowboys have played. As someone that neither has cable or listens to talk radio, I would like to ask you to kindly GFY.

Dependability is a huge factor in the NFL. HUGE. It doesn't matter how much you love your Tony Romo jersey, if he's not on the field he's not a consistently effective NFL quarterback. Good and consistently effective are two different things; maybe you could try wrapping your head around that before throwing tantrums at other posters? If you think that's going to improve as he enters his late-30's, there's nothing anyone can say to help ground you in reality.
 

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He's right though, although I think you are kind of talking past each other about current Romo vs. Romo's whole career.

Romo's body has kind of given out now, but in his prime from '06-'14 he was reliable, tough, excellent, and one of the most underappreciated quarterbacks of his generation. He's not going to improve as he enters his late 30's, but no one made that argument.
 

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He's right though, although I think you are kind of talking past each other about current Romo vs. Romo's whole career.

Romo's body has kind of given out now, but in his prime from '06-'14 he was reliable, tough, excellent, and one of the most underappreciated quarterbacks of his generation. He's not going to improve as he enters his late 30's, but no one made that argument.
He was legitimately awesome for that 06 to 14 range and 2014 was one of his best years ever. And then he's been off a cliff, as noted.

But the misperception that Romo always choked never left him, particularly due to his lack of playoff success,(and the FG gaffe in his first playoff game) where he is 2-4 in his career and has never played in an NFC Championship game, let alone a super bowl.

He's certainly one of the better QBs of all time never to make a championship game. It wasn't really his fault, his defenses were never great, but the stigma remains.
 

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Since becoming a full-time starter in 2007, Tony Romo has started 73% of the regular season games the Cowboys have played. As someone that neither has cable or listens to talk radio, I would like to ask you to kindly GFY.

Dependability is a huge factor in the NFL. HUGE. It doesn't matter how much you love your Tony Romo jersey, if he's not on the field he's not a consistently effective NFL quarterback. Good and consistently effective are two different things; maybe you could try wrapping your head around that before throwing tantrums at other posters? If you think that's going to improve as he enters his late-30's, there's nothing anyone can say to help ground you in reality.
Sick burn. I'm gonna go home and cry into my Tony Romo pillow tonight.

Here's the thing, sport. As Stitch mentioned, no one said anything about his longevity going forward. But when you throw out that "73%" stat without any context, you're showing yourself to be incapable of nuanced thought. Prior to the 2015 season, Romo had started 92% of the Cowboys' games (only missing significant time when he - wait for it - broke his collarbone). If you don't agree that counts as dependability and consistency, then we have no point in continuing this conversation.

Now, if you want to argue that his body began to betray him as he entered his late 30s, you'd have no argument from me. But when you ding him for the entirety of his career because of two freak injuries, you're damn right I'm going to push back. This mentality is rooted in the "choker" label - as johnmd just pointed out - because he's now seen to have let his team down in a different way, by getting old when the team finally figured out how to put a decent product on the field.

Finally, he was good AND consistently effective for most of his career (I'm conceding on the word most here, because he did have two 19-interception seasons). So what's your argument? That a QB getting old and breaking down somehow tarnishes his legacy? Because that doesn't quite pass the smell test.
 

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Just to note, Mark Sanchez has 4 playoff wins. Colin Kaepernick has 4. Phillip Rivers has 4. Andrew Luck has 3.

I understand QB wins is a bit of a flawed state, but Romo's two wins look like a huge outlier and it is pretty shocking for a guy as good as he was. That is why he can't shake the choker label. And one of those wins was the cheap one against Detroit, which would have made his record 1-4. Although he did get kind of screwed the week after on the Dez non-catch.
 

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Just to note, Mark Sanchez has 4 playoff wins. Colin Kaepernick has 4. Phillip Rivers has 4. Andrew Luck has 3.

I understand QB wins is a bit of a flawed state, but Romo's two wins look like a huge outlier and it is pretty shocking for a guy as good as he was. That is why he can't shake the choker label. And one of those wins was the cheap one against Detroit, which would have made his record 1-4. Although he did get kind of screwed the week after on the Dez non-catch.
Only 1 more playoff win than Tebow!

Seriously though, really is amazing that the Cowboys have only 2 playoff wins in the Romo era, one of which was a semi-gift. Shows just how badly that team was managed until recently.
 

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And Trent Dilfer has more Super Bowl wins than Dan Marino. I think QB wins is more than just a bit of a flawed stat, as your examples show. I hope nobody thinks that Mark Sanchez is on the same level as Tony Romo. Tony Romo is (or at least was) an assassin.

I guess I can understand why Jerry is holding on to him and all but I really think it's doing him a great disservice. Maybe Romo is really contemplating retirement and if so then I'm obviously off base, but if not Dallas is really limiting his options for reasons that will most likely prove to be fruitless. Philly did that with Asante Samuel - kept him on the roster even though everyone knew he'd eventually be gone. Asante pleaded with Andy Reid to at least cut him loose while there were still opportunities for him to sign on with someone looking for CB help, but instead Philly held him well in to the FA period and eventually landed a 7th round pick from Atlanta for him. So yeah, Philly got a 7th but they sort of did wrong by Asante, who by all accounts did right by Philly.
 

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Playoff wins don't equal super bowl wins, just to note. It's not a fair comparison. Of course, Dilfer does have more playoffs wins than Romo. ;)

They are flawed, but aren't useless. And Romo is a clear outlier b/c he was a phenomenal QB. But it does explain why he has the rep that he does.
 

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They are flawed, but aren't useless. And Romo is a clear outlier b/c he was a phenomenal QB. But it does explain why he has the rep that he does.
It explains the rep in the same way that simplistic baseball stats explain a player's rep. Those that know better, well, know better, while the public at large uses the lazy shorthand to explain their intellectual laziness. Romo had and has his flaws but not being able to win playoff games isn't one of them. Correlation does not equal causation and this is especially true in Romo's case. If 2015 taught us anything, it's that the Cowboys wouldn't have even been in a position to lose playoff games without Tony Romo. So I find it a ridiculous proposition to then conclude that Romo is a choker because he couldn't will horribly flawed teams to victory over actual playoff-caliber teams.

Sure, his legacy would be completely different had he been able to do so, but that's not really what's being argued here (at least not by me). Doing that would move him from the pantheon of the very good to the pantheon of the all-time greats - which is not a move I am proposing. What I am proposing is that Romo absolutely belongs in the hall of very good, and it's a shame that Jerry's foibles have created the atmosphere where this is even a discussion.
 

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So, is no one going to weigh in on why Jerry had a change of heart about Romo? Why did he go from Mr. Dew-eyed/"Tony Deserves His Freedom For All He Has Done For Us" to all "Tony Will Rot In My Dungeon Because If We Can't Have Him No One Will!"?

Is there a simple explanation?