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Judging baseball players' intelligence levels based on Major League or Bull Durham is idiotic and has no representation on reality. Most baseball players are intelligent human beings with a good percentage of of them college-educated before entering pro ball. It's rather insulting to characterize a whole industry of people based on a couple of players.
That's why I had the book reference as well. And, respectfully, if you're a pro athlete with a degree from a school that doesn't put a lot of emphasis on academics, I'm not going to assume that the degree was earned the old-fashioned way. You can disagree with me on that but I think we're being disingenuous in assuming that most athletes who go to college all just opted to go pro instead of into their field of study as if it were a coinflip proposition. Maybe it's more prevalent than I give credence, but I just have trouble picturing it since being dedicated enough to the academic portion of college to be a good student is hard enough without adding the expectations that come from the athletics program. It just seems more than even the most intellectual would be able to balance. It would be nice to be wrong on this, so I'd love to see some data either way if it exists.

Bye Kevin. Thanks for... um... that really sweet catch you made that one time!

Edit: Wait, how do they get international slot money for last year? Or is it always in two-year increments?
 

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That's why I had the book reference as well. And, respectfully, if you're a pro athlete with a degree from a school that doesn't put a lot of emphasis on academics, I'm not going to assume that the degree was earned the old-fashioned way. You can disagree with me on that but I think we're being disingenuous in assuming that most athletes who go to college all just opted to go pro instead of into their field of study as if it were a coinflip proposition. Maybe it's more prevalent than I give credence, but I just have trouble picturing it since being dedicated enough to the academic portion of college to be a good student is hard enough without adding the expectations that come from the athletics program. It just seems more than even the most intellectual would be able to balance. It would be nice to be wrong on this, so I'd love to see some data either way if it exists.

Bye Kevin. Thanks for... um... that really sweet catch you made that one time!

Edit: Wait, how do they get international slot money for last year? Or is it always in two-year increments?
The best college baseball program in America is Vanderbilt. Do they not put emphasis on academics? What about Stanford? Duke? North Carolina? Virginia?

You are wrong when it comes to baseball players not being good students. There are plenty of great players that are excellent students. There are some that go to pro ball that don't have much other option, but many many more go pro and have their degree to fall back on and do so if it does not work out. I work in college athletics so I know this first-hand.
 

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International spending money is very nice. Hasn't Cashman been doing this over the past few years? I'm all aboard adding to our International coffers.
 

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The best college baseball program in America is Vanderbilt. Do they not put emphasis on academics? What about Stanford? Duke? North Carolina? Virginia?

You are wrong when it comes to baseball players not being good students. There are plenty of great players that are excellent students. There are some that go to pro ball that don't have much other option, but many many more go pro and have their degree to fall back on and do so if it does not work out. I work in college athletics so I know this first-hand.
I'm not saying there aren't schools that don't put a heavy emphasis on academics. Obviously some do - if you've ever read the BC Football thread, you'll know how much colleges can emphasize athletics to the detriment of the recruiting ability of their athletics programs (not that it's a bad thing either, just saying) - but not all of them. And not every player comes from one of those schools you mentioned. I'll take your word for it, but it just seems like it would be all but impossible to be a great student and a great athlete without losing your mind in the process or being a social pariah. And I'm also speaking STRICTLY of those who are good enough to go pro and for whom that has been the plan since like age 8, not the ones who know they won't make The Show. I think the guys who know they're going to be consensus top draft picks and get paid millions of dollars don't put as much emphasis on their studies as ones who don't. But I'll happily accept that I'm wrong on the topic, since it means more intelligent people playing the game but it's just a little hard to believe when you hear some of them open their mouths and start talking.
 

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Bloom is generating a satisfying flurry of activity, probably the Red Sox highlight of 2020.

More PTBNLs please! We can always use depth at that position.
 

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No more deals by the Sox according to Alex Speier on NESN.
 

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Assuming there aren't any late-reported trades, pretty surprised Barnes is still here. I guess they think he's good enough it's worth it to keep him another year (or trade in the offseason)?

JBJ not quite as surprising - obviously, they think they can re-sign him in the offseason or they would have traded him. Wonder if they've already had preliminary discussions there.
 

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Assuming there aren't any late-reported trades, pretty surprised Barnes is still here. I guess they think he's good enough it's worth it to keep him another year (or trade in the offseason)?

JBJ not quite as surprising - obviously, they think they can re-sign him in the offseason or they would have traded him. Wonder if they've already had preliminary discussions there.
I would think it's pretty simple with Barnes. The offers weren't good enough, or he'd be gone.
 

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I am pretty shocked Brasier didn’t get moved, at least for a PTBNL. They showcased him hard against the Nats this weekend, and Bloom knows that ownership faces backlash for not addressing the incident.
 

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I am pretty shocked Brasier didn’t get moved, at least for a PTBNL. They showcased him hard against the Nats this weekend, and Bloom knows that ownership faces backlash for not addressing the incident.
Kinda surprised as well. Maybe there were no takers for Tilt.
 

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God I miss Orsillo.

He's so great. We get to listen to him here in So. Cal and we love it. We showed our kids the "Here comes the pizza" clip a few days ago and they were cracking up...but not as much as Orsillo. He still gets the giggle fits from time to time and it is always great.
 

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Here is thing about Orsillo - he may be goofy and his style clearly annoyed some around these parts but the guy absolutely loves the sport he covers. After watching some of the NBA commentators such as Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy who spend significant amounts of air time trashing the league when they aren't doing hack comedy, announcers like Don are a welcome change. Orsillo does hack comedy too but the joy he gets from his job is palpable - and for me, at least - that is a huge value from a PBP person.
 

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After Matt Barnes finally turned into a decent reliever, he ends up sticking around just long enough to not even be worth another PTBNL or cash. What a bummer.

Brasier should be released if ownership has any inkling that he's going to continue to do shitty things online or that anyone on the roster is the least bit at odds with him. But maybe his contributions to 2018 earned him enough slack to play out the string and then be non-tendered.

I'm looking forward to something happening tonight for JBJ that will be his "he's back and he's back BIG!" moment (speaking of the Thumb).
 

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JBJ too. Just because we want them to trade everything that isn't nailed down doesn't mean other teams are buying.
Well, yes, but if the Sox had absolutely no intention of signing him in the offseason they would have traded him for literally anything they could get, even if that's just international prospect money or something. The fact they didn't means they have at least some desire to retain him longer term.

Barnes is different because he's under contract for at least one more year, so there, I agree it's clear that no team offered sufficient value.
 

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He's so great. We get to listen to him here in So. Cal and we love it. We showed our kids the "Here comes the pizza" clip a few days ago and they were cracking up...but not as much as Orsillo. He still gets the giggle fits from time to time and it is always great.
I am also in So Cal and tune in the Padres from time to time and I may follow them with interest in the post-season. Orsillo and Grant make Orsillo/Remy look like the MacNeil-Lehrer report.
 

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Soooo, unless I'm forgetting anything...

Out the door:

Hembree
Workman
PTBNL to PHL
Moreland
Pillar
Osich

Returning:

Pivetta
Seabold
Potts
Rosario
PTBNL (or money) from CHI
PTBNL (or money) from COL
International Signing Bonus money

I don't expect the PTBNL from the Cubs will be much of anything, but the PTBNL from Colorado could be, and the International Signing budget is no afterthought for a team trying to rebuild the farm.

So... not an amazing haul, but at the end of the day, the farm is considerably deeper above A-ball than it was two weeks ago. Pivetta is a project, but he was also a non-tender candidate. I'm a bit of a Potts skeptic, just because the Ks are a problem, but Seabold and Rosario seem like pretty legitimate prospects given what we were sending in the other direction.

I'm moderately impressed with Chaim's work in a weird season.
 
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I know this isn't really an offseason thread, but the Evo/Odor rumor from earlier got me thinking. I still think the goal should be to get as much space under the tax threshold as possible. I wonder if Bloom might explore more options of dealing Evo in order to save some more $$ as a way to get creative. Just thinking out loud I guess.
 

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Soooo, unless I'm forgetting anything...

Out the door:

Hembree
Workman
PTBNL to PHL
Moreland
Pillar
Osich

Returning:

Pivetta
Seabold
Potts
Rosario
PTBNL (or money) from CHI
PTBNL (or money) from COL

International Signing Bonus money
I'd have preferred slot money over PTBNLs; seemed like a good opportunity to exploit the few loopholes left and make a splash of some sort. Or at least throw more kids in the lottery pool.
 

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I'd have preferred slot money over PTBNLs; seemed like a good opportunity to exploit the few loopholes left and make a splash of some sort. Or at least throw more kids in the lottery pool.
I am not a hundred percent sure but I think the current slot money that is allowed to be moved is for the current period for which most of the main players have already been signed. The new period starts in January, but generally these kids commit a couple of years earlier so it is hard for a new GM and his crew to make quick inroads here.
 

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I am not a hundred percent sure but I think the current slot money that is allowed to be moved is for the current period for which most of the main players have already been signed. The new period starts in January, but generally these kids commit a couple of years earlier so it is hard for a new GM and his crew to make quick inroads here.
I believe teams are able to increase their total current pool by 75% and any subsequent ones by up to 60%, but I'll look for a link I could easily have lost track of the changes.

Edit: yes, if I'm reading this correctly (though I have no idea what COVID did to the dates or even the pool/signings):

As per the 2017-21 Collective Bargaining Agreement, clubs are each subject to a spending cap for amateur international free agents. Each club will have at least a $4.75 million bonus pool to spend, with those that have a pick in Competitive Balance Round A receiving $5.25 million and those with a pick in Competitive Balance Round B receiving $5.75 million.

Clubs will be able to acquire up to 75 percent of their initial international bonus pool money in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 signing periods and up to 60 percent of their initial pools in subsequent signing periods. This means that a club with an initial pool of $5.75 million can increase its pool total via trade to approximately $10.1 million during the 2017-18 and 2018-19 signing periods. The 2017-21 CBA also allows international funds to be traded more freely, as teams must now simply trade international money in increments of $250,000, unless they have less than $250,000 remaining in their pool. Under the 2012-16 CBA, teams were assigned four tradeable "slots" with different values designated for each slot. The money was able to be traded only in those increments.

Beginning in the 2017-18 offseason, any team that is over the luxury tax threshold and signs a Major League free agent that has rejected a qualifying offer will lose $1 million from their international signing pool in the following signing period. A team that is not over the luxury tax would only forfeit $500,000 of its signing pool in the subsequent period.

Each year's international signing period begins July 2 and continues through June 15 of the following year.
 

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I believe teams are able to increase their total current pool by 75% and any subsequent ones by up to 60%, but I'll look for a link I could easily have lost track of the changes.

Edit: yes, if I'm reading this correctly (though I have no idea what COVID did to the dates or even the pool/signings):
Right, but that's not my point. My point is that each period has a specific group of players who are eligible to sign and most of the players of note in this period have already signed, so it is unlikely it is possible to make a big splash with money for the current period at this point. The money they got today needs to be used by October 15 (unless they have changed the rules again since the article I linked earlier, quite possible in this year where they are making up new rules as they go) and I don't think there's much left out there, although I am happy to defer to someone with more specific knowledge.
 

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Right, but that's not my point. My point is that each period has a specific group of players who are eligible to sign and most of the players of note in this period have already signed, so it is unlikely it is possible to make a big splash with money for the current period at this point. The money they got today needs to be used by October 15 (unless they have changed the rules again since the article I linked earlier, quite possible in this year where they are making up new rules as they go) and I don't think there's much left out there, although I am happy to defer to someone with more specific knowledge.
Any international pool money must feel like finding a c-note in your jeans after washing, but I can't imagine that Bloom asked for it without a plan.
 

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Right, but that's not my point. My point is that each period has a specific group of players who are eligible to sign and most of the players of note in this period have already signed, so it is unlikely it is possible to make a big splash with money for the current period at this point. The money they got today needs to be used by October 15 (unless they have changed the rules again since the article I linked earlier, quite possible in this year where they are making up new rules as they go) and I don't think there's much left out there, although I am happy to defer to someone with more specific knowledge.
OK, I missed where you were going there. So they use it for next signing period then; my point was there no deadline even if there's a discount. I'd rather $.60 on the $1.00 for next period than guys that have ceilings of AAA filler.

Edit: to avoid ambiguity, I wasn't suggesting they go out tomorrow and use it to sign a top 100 guy to insert in the system for 2021.
 

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Nope, this isn't the NFL where you can roll it over. Chaim spends it by Oct 15 or loses it, but really it's almost certainly nothing to get excited about, sorry to say.
OK then I'm misunderstanding or misinterpreting something - what the heck is the point of trading for it then, at all, unless it's offseason?
 

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Here is thing about Orsillo - he may be goofy and his style clearly annoyed some around these parts but the guy absolutely loves the sport he covers. After watching some of the NBA commentators such as Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy who spend significant amounts of air time trashing the league when they aren't doing hack comedy, announcers like Don are a welcome change. Orsillo does hack comedy too but the joy he gets from his job is palpable - and for me, at least - that is a huge value from a PBP person.
After the Indians game when the players came out of the dugout and saluted him...………………...my girlfriend picked the wrong time to be chopping onions.

I loved his style, he'd get the giggles from time to time, but that's fine by me.

And sorry, "Here comes the pizza" is beyond hysterical, just classic...………………."Well he's the Pepsi fan of the game...….until he gets thrown out"............…..
 
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I might be mistaken but I thought they changed the deadlines for International signings due to the pandemic. This might still be a moot point since as Jon Abbey states, most players are unofficially signed years before they can be announced publicly..
 

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I might be mistaken but I thought they changed the deadlines for International signings due to the pandemic.
They did, but the money BOS received today was for the 2019/2020 period which ends October 15. The next one starts in January unless they change it again.
 

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I am not a hundred percent sure but I think the current slot money that is allowed to be moved is for the current period for which most of the main players have already been signed. The new period starts in January, but generally these kids commit a couple of years earlier so it is hard for a new GM and his crew to make quick inroads here.
Maybe they're planning on chasing after the youngest Cespedes brother?