Miller's agent says his client wants to close next year, so he is probably off the shopping list for the time being.
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Danny_Darwin said:
That's not what he said.
He said: "For us, there are no demands or expectations on what role it's going to be,'' Rodgers said. "A team that signs Andrew Miller is a team that has put a premium on its bullpen -- because no matter how the bullpen is, he's going to make it better.''
What he means is: My client expects to be paid like a closer whether he closes or not.
someoneanywhere said:
He also said this:
Which seems to directly support Danny_Darwin's take. I.e., he won't rule out a non-closing situation, but a closing situation is what they're looking for.
Maybe indirectly support what DD took to be an absolute position. The absolute there is that he wants closer's money. The situation is relative.
I guess "saying he wants to close" isn't the same thing as "saying he will only sign with a team with a clear path to the closer's role." Fair enough. Still, though, hard to imagine he won't get the chance somewhere. I would be very surprised to see him in a Red Sox uniform next year.
The bolded is interesting. It seems that whoever signs him is banking on that being the real Pablo Sandoval for the foreseeable future. Was there some kind of adjustment made? Or, could it be that the reason for the apparent "decline" is really just the effects of two hamate bone injuries; isn't it true that some players take a while to fully recover from those, to the extent that the following season can be an "off-year?" If so, then maybe that's answer to the "What am I missing here?" question about the Sox seeming interest in betting $100 million on this acquisition.KillerBs said:
Sandoval does go opposite field as a LHB frequently. Maybe the Sox think he is unusually well-suited for Fenway too.
One obvious option for the off-season, which would suit me fine: Sign Pablo, Hundley and Lester, deal Cespedes (and Ranaudo or Webster (plus Marrero, Margot or Coyle etc if need be for the right guy)) for the best SP you can get.
1. Betts 9
2. Pedroia 4
3. Ortiz
4. Napoli 3
5. Sandoval 5
6. Bogaerts 6
7. Nava 7
8. Castillo 8
9. Vazquez 2
Bench -- Hundley, Holt, Victorino, Craig
Lester, SP2, Buchholz, Kelly, RDLR.
Uehara, Tazawa, Mujica, Barnes, Webster, Wright, Layne
One obvious option for the off-season, which would suit me fine: Sign Pablo, Hundley and Lester, deal Cespedes (and Ranaudo or Webster (plus Marrero, Margot or Coyle etc if need be for the right guy)) for the best SP you can get.
1. Betts 9
2. Pedroia 4
3. Ortiz
4. Napoli 3
5. Sandoval 5
6. Bogaerts 6
7. Nava 7
8. Castillo 8
9. Vazquez 2
Bench -- Hundley, Holt, Victorino, Craig
Lester, SP2, Buchholz, Kelly, RDLR.
Uehara, Tazawa, Mujica, Barnes, Webster, Wright, Layne
Cherington is meeting with the Boston media now
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I spoke with cafardo beforehand and he thinks sox go 5 years and $90 for Panda. I'll ask the writers what was said if I can.
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That's pretty similar to what I offered as a projected roster last week, hoping SP2 would be Cueto.KillerBs said:
Sounds like some FAs may be visiting Boston. Sox willing to set market. Tenor seems to be Sox are going to be very aggressive. At least according to Gordon Edes. Lester. Etc
I had been wondering, now that they have realized the 2014 revenue sharing windfall, if they would be hyper aggressive this offseason. This is the first validation that position my be so.Clears Cleaver said:
Did any of the writers mention any names connected to the Red Sox that haven't been rumored or reported? Anything outside the box?Clears Cleaver said:
No. Lester. Sandoval. And I'm not sure cherington mentioned them by name. Doesn't sound like anything is imminent but parameters being set on guys they like. And coming 40 man glut means trades are likely. Nothing we hadn't heard before.RedOctober3829 said:
I feel bad for Alex Avila, he reminds me of Kevin Kolb, former Eagles/Bills QB who took that one last concussion and is now an absolute mess health wise. Avila needs to get out before that happens to him. Sox need to pass on that one.
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Ross and Cashner are very enticing. Padres are looking for hitting....
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Ross and Cashner are very enticing. Padres are looking for hitting....
Why are you still using Tapatalk? Download the SoSH app, it's a million times better.CaskNFappin said:
Well except for the fact that if you have a long post, it will cut off the bottom so you can't see what you're writing. Other than that, I agree – tho that does annoy the hell out of me.
Been seeing Ross as that solid #2 starter. Ground ball machine, and the issue for the Pads is numbers, in that they need a volume of prospects, as much as they need premier prospects.CaskNFappin said:
Apparently him and Chili Davis have a great relationship. Wouldn't be stunned if Cespedes stayed. It feels like the Boston media just wants him gone because he was traded for Jon Lester.Papelbon's Poutine said:
One would think, and a highly motivated Yoenis Cespedes when looking to prove himself in the majors posted an .861 OPS, since then he's hovered in the mid-.700's. I'd love to see what a self-motivated Cespedes could do in Fenway.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Also, this statement from Edes source:
Doesn't hold water. LF in Fenway plays against Cespedes' strengths as a fielder. RF is just the opposite. He's got wheels, he's got a rocket arm, he just isn't that good at reading and reacting. He needs a spacious corner OF job to roam in. That's someone looking to downplay his value if I've ever seen it.
Well to expand on Cespedes and my thoughts on him is that Right Field if he was willing to play there would be ideal. I'm just waiting for the story to come out about how Cespedes is a fan of cancer because he missed a Jimmy Fund charity event. Lester is coming back. Every year it seems like the unnamed sources or just sportswriters in general around Boston decline further and further to a Pete Abe/CHB level of hack.
Out of Cespedes Upton or Heyward you could make a case for any of the three. If the Sox do end up trading Cespedes then I would almost assure you that Heyward or Upton will be spending 2015 in Boston. They aren't going into the season for the 2nd straight year relying on homegrown prospects.
Out of Cespedes Upton or Heyward you could make a case for any of the three. If the Sox do end up trading Cespedes then I would almost assure you that Heyward or Upton will be spending 2015 in Boston. They aren't going into the season for the 2nd straight year relying on homegrown prospects.
Tyrone Biggums said:
Yeah, that's what it feels like to me as well. I'm sure the Sox are listening, if somebody blows them a way. Outside of that, I don't get that they're anxious to get rid of him, whatever the scribes say. A Cespedes on a contract drive would be interesting to see.
Well, first you'd have to assume that all 6 go into the season healthy. A big question in and of itself given the health concerns of Craig and Victorino.KillerBs said:
Then if push comes to shove Craig could be sent to AAA to start the year, or Betts, depending on how the club feels.
Also, there is always potential to deal Nava who is cheap and a strong OBP guy, so likely to bring back at least a worthwhile low minors lottery ticket type (not a Devers/Margot level but a Rijo/Basabe/Kopech type).
I think they'll keep Cespedes unless someone offers good value for him, he's a valuable player and lets say they sign Sandoval, a lineup of this:
Betts
Pedroia
Ortiz
Napoli
Sandoval
Cespedes
Bogaerts
Vazquez
Castillo
Looks pretty good.
Drek717 said:
That would be a very nice lineup. Speed (Betts/Castillo/Pedroia). Power (Ortiz/Napoli/Sandoval/Cespedes). Pretty solid up the middle defensively (Castillo/Pedroia/Vazquez). IF defense should be nice.
Then go after Lester and make a deal for a Cueto and suddenly that team is absolutely a top contender for the AL pennant.
Drek717 said:
Betts RHH
Pedroia RHH
Ortiz LHH
Napoli RHH
Sandoval SH, better LH
Cespedes RHH
Bogaerts RHH
Vazquez RHH
Castillo RHH
Six righties in a row is hard to stomach, even if not all of them have big splits.
Drek717 said:
Cespedes in Fenway's RF would be turning should-be outs into doubles and triples.
My money is on them moving Cespedes and trading for an entering-his-prime Heyward. They can platoon Craig (maybe he'll bounce back) and Nava in LF on the cheap. Rusney has CF which Shane and/or Heyward can back up, and Shane could also give him breathers against lefties.
They really need to improve the base running from last year and Heyward is great there as well.
They really need to improve the base running from last year and Heyward is great there as well.
And we don't really know what the Braves are looking for either. If he's a year out from free agency it shouldn't be anything the Red Sox can't bear to part with. They can put a QO on him at the very worst in 2015. He's in his age 26 season and a 5 win player. Worth rolling the dice on.BornToRun said:
They'll likely have at least two positions (corner OF and 1B) as well as a partial position (Vaz and Swihart at C) where they can get more left handed next off-season. I'd rather take quality players over LRLR lineup construction when given either/or choices, and that is what this off-season really amounts to.nvalvo said:
I'd want to see that before believing it. In a lot of ways Fenway's RF pairs well with his skill set. He's fast and he's got a strong arm, he takes mediocre reads to be sure, but once he gets after it he runs down a lot of balls.Harry Hooper said:
It makes NO sense for the Braves to trade him now when they're still trying to compete. I could maybe see it at midseason, if they're out of it, but by then, Heyward's not taking an extension.Snodgrass'Muff said:
The chances of him hitting FA are pretty high, IMO. If he wanted an extension, he likely would have gotten one when the Braves went all extension happy a couple seasons ago.
Exactly. It'll take a whole lot more than a half year of Lester in a lost season to get Heyward.BornToRun said:
BornToRun said:
I feel like this is a good spot for the "Not sure if serious" Joker meme to go, but I'll press on in the assumption that this is serious.
Of course we gave up something for Cespedes. You can say losing Lester doesn't hurt at all for the next season since he was a free agent, but losing out on the prospect haul he would have brought sure does. There was an opportunity cost to acquiring Cespedes.
Ben chose Cespedes because he wanted to retool the offense. If he wanted prospects, he could have had prospects.Hendu for Kutch said:
In Heyward's case, you're going to be moving at least one good prospect, probably top 10, maybe top 5. I don't see the gap between Cespedes and Heyward as being so large that it's worth shuffling all the chairs and giving up the package the Braves would want because they're planning on competing next season. I'm not saying it's not worth exploring, I'm just saying that, realistically, it makes more sense to play out the season with what you have (because it's pretty good) and going after Heyward HARD in FA.
EDIT: I just think this idea would make more sense if we didn't have gaping holes elsewhere or had such a log jam in the OF. That's all. I really like Heyward, and want him on the team in 2016.
Newly hired John Hart has been on MLB Network frequently the last couple of days and message sure seems to be they're open to dealing Heyward or J Upton if the right kind of opportunity comes along. They desperately want to unload B.J but I doubt someone swallows that pill.
I would rather have Heyward over Cespedes long term and they are both FA's after next year. Perhaps a three team trade could work for the Braves Red Sox and Reds
Red Sox
Heyward
Reds
Cespedes
one of our young left handers or de la rosa ?
Braves
Simon
Leake
Braves get pitching which they sorely need. Reds get Cespedes in a park and division where he could dominate in a year they are going for it with Cueto and host the AS game. On top of that they get a controllable pitcher to mitigate the loss of two starters they trade. Just a framework but I would be creative to get Heyward's glove work in right. I also think his bat is going to improve.
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more summarily a collection of flawed but talented players where the new teams get to decide how they want to approach looking long term
I would rather have Heyward over Cespedes long term and they are both FA's after next year. Perhaps a three team trade could work for the Braves Red Sox and Reds
Red Sox
Heyward
Reds
Cespedes
one of our young left handers or de la rosa ?
Braves
Simon
Leake
Braves get pitching which they sorely need. Reds get Cespedes in a park and division where he could dominate in a year they are going for it with Cueto and host the AS game. On top of that they get a controllable pitcher to mitigate the loss of two starters they trade. Just a framework but I would be creative to get Heyward's glove work in right. I also think his bat is going to improve.
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more summarily a collection of flawed but talented players where the new teams get to decide how they want to approach looking long term
jimbobim said:
Leake is a FA at the end of the year. That would be a pretty awful return for Heyward. I love Heyward but I think the price is going to be a lot higher than most here. I'd start with the Adrian Gonzalez comp for the package, then increase it because Heyward is younger and plays a premium position. I think you're looking at something like Eduardo Rodriguez, Manny Margot, and Garin Cecchini. And that's optimistic to think you could keep Mookie/Xander/Swihart. They love their young catcher so Swihart probably wouldn't be a target, but we could easily be outbid too. Lots of teams would love to pick up Heyward.
My problem with the above if the Sox sort of shoot themselves in the foot there. Again, I'm willing to admit there's a chance Heyward is traded for and extended before FA next season, I just think it's slim. That out of the way, it just doesn't make sense to me to use Cespedes in a trade that doesn't have a pitcher coming back to them. He's probably the most likely player on the Sox to be traded, certainly in the OF at the very least. They're not moving Betts or Rusney, Craig and Vic have no trade value, and Nava won't bring back a better pitcher than what they already have. They have big, gaping holes in the rotation and they're not competing if they're not filled. Upgrading from Cespedes to Heyward makes sense next offseason, for sure, but not now when it will likely come at the expense of the more important hole.
I'm just not sure corner OF is a top priority this offseason. They have an abundance of OF. It seems to me the focus should be on SP.
I'm inclined to think Heyward is a next year item.
I'm inclined to think Heyward is a next year item.
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