Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:1.71 WHIP. Doesn't seem so interesting.
JBJ_HOF said:
One of the best RP in baseball the last 4 years has been BABIP'd to death in 28 innings with an above average FIP and low strand rate and you're not even interested?
Couldn't the scouting rumors just as easily be attributed to the Sox doing their own due diligence in case they decide to make Cueto an offer after the season?BCsMightyJoeYoung said:Can we actually credit any of these "Sox scouting Cueto" rumours? I just can't see this FO expending prime prospects on a rental. Now .. I could see it if a Negotiating Window was included .. But they seem to have gone by the board in recent years. Besides ,the Reds are going to have plenty of other offers.
I can see a Hamels/Papelbon deal as much more likely
I was going to post same and yes since moving assets when in last place doesn't pass the smell test nor anything I'd expect out of Ben, Larry, or whoever is calling the big shots these days. Cueto does pass the common sense test of pursuing over the winter.YouLookAdopted said:Couldn't the scouting rumors just as easily be attributed to the Sox doing their own due diligence in case they decide to make Cueto an offer after the season?
The Angels are actively attempting to acquire another bat to bolster their offense, tweets Mike DiGiovanna of the L.A. Times, but the feeling among the front office team is that the asking prices of selling teams is currently too high. The Halos’ present plan is to wait until the market comes back down to Earth a bit, as the belief at this time is that there’s quite a bit of posturing among selling teams. The first-place Angels have received poor production at a number of spots in the lineup, most notably in left field, at DH and at catcher.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/trade-notes-angels-mets-orioles-diamondbacks.html
And offering who? Napoli who Scoscia hates? Victorino who can't stay on the field? Leon? What does BC have to fill and of those needs?FanSinceBoggs said:
If I'm Ben Cherington, I'm calling the Angels to see if they want to take on some payroll.
Hanley, presumably.Papelbon's Poutine said:And offering who? Napoli who Scoscia hates? Victorino who can't stay on the field? Leon? What does BC have to fill and of those needs?
Papelbon's Poutine said:Folks, the Sox are not bailing out on Pablo or Hanley after three and a half months. They're not. Get over it.
Nor are the Angels taking on hanley's contract, especially when they're currently paying Hamilton to play in Texas. So unless you are proposing a complete salary subsidy, it's not happening. And if you are proposing that, I'd question your sanity.
In my lifetime said:I am not sure what is more annoying, those suggestions or the comments to trade Pedey.
Rival GMs were given the impression by Cincinnati a sale would likely begin late this week, and they have plenty to sell. Cueto and Leake will almost certainly go (in fact, Leake's been told the Reds intend to deal him, though apparently not Cueto, not yet, anyway).
Without an extension included (no idea why Cueto would agree to that) I'd imagine we would be the first last place team to trade prospects for a rental. That is so Henry/Lucchino.soxhop411 said:The Red Sox, according to a major league source, have been scouting Reds righty Johnny Cueto quite often. While the Sox want to go after more controllable pitchers, the odds seem short of being able to pull that off.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/17/decision-time-for-john-farrell-red-sox/j5dH12b5OufyMumyo2cBtO/story.html?event=event25#
HomeRunBaker said:Without an extension included (no idea why Cueto would agree to that) I'd imagine we would be the first last place team to trade prospects for a rental. That is so Henry/Lucchino.
Is this like when someone out here in CA hears I'm from Boston, they may say "hey, do you know Joe Schmoe, he's from Boston too?" Gammons has lost a lot of his cred, hasn't he?E5 Yaz said:Gammons was on the Rich Eisen radio program a few days ago, and suggested that Cueto could be a long-term fit for Boston ... "given his ties to Pedro Martinez."
The Cueto/Red Sox portion of the discussion occurs at the 8:30 mark
http://www.richeisenshow.com/2015/07/14/peter-gammons-of-mlb-network-discusses-mlb-all-star-game-pete-rose-71415/
Al Zarilla said:Is this like when someone out here in CA hears I'm from Boston, they may say "hey, do you know Joe Schmoe, he's from Boston too?" Gammons has lost a lot of his cred, hasn't he?
Shields has been pretty bad so far this year. He's never had much of a split, but this year he's getting hammered by left handed batters(.911 OPS). He's also given up 20 homers(4 more than Porcello), half of which coming in Petco.Hee Sox Choi said:
EDIT: An interesting contract that is similar is James Shields (34 next season).
16:$21M, 17:$21M, 18:$21M, 19:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
Interesting tidbit:
- deal does not include no-trade clause, but Shields may opt out of contract after 2016 season (no later than 3 days after World Series)
If he values winning why would he sign an extension with a team that's about to finish last for the third time in four years?BosRedSox5 said:
Maybe the Red Sox know something we don't and feel that they have a good chance at signing Cueto long term. If he's a player who values stability and winning over getting every dollar he can, maybe re-signing him in the offseason is a manageable obstacle.
Stability.glennhoffmania said:If he values winning why would he sign an extension with a team that's about to finish last for the third time in four years?
glennhoffmania said:If he values winning why would he sign an extension with a team that's about to finish last for the third time in four years?
BosRedSox5 said:Cueto's agent is Bryce Dixon who doesn't seem to be a big power player ala Boras. Cueto is by far his highest paid client and he's still in arbitration. Additionally, Cueto seems like someone with simple tastes who is happy to sit back and just concentrate on baseball while other people hammer out his contract. (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-02-19/johnny-cueto-reds-will-pay-him-top-dollar) Ignore the headline and read the quotes from him. He seems laid back about the whole thing.
Maybe the Red Sox know something we don't and feel that they have a good chance at signing Cueto long term. If he's a player who values stability and winning over getting every dollar he can, maybe re-signing him in the offseason is a manageable obstacle.
Swihart did catch on his rehab assignment last night and of course Margot is there. Of all our "close to MLB-ready" prospects the one who I'm most fine moving in a Hamels deal is Swihart as much as I like him.RedOctober3829 said:Amid rumors of the phillies starting their selling process there was a large Phillies contingent at the Portland/Manchester game last night. A friend of mine was at the game and said there were a ton of scouts there.
I disagree, I think Swihart is a definite keeper. He's got much more to offer the team in terms of his athleticism and was improving at the plate before his injury. Besides, how well Vazquez recovers from TJ surgery is a huge unknown for the team. If they were to deal Swihart, they would be gambling that Vazquez returns to his pre-injury form with no guarantee that will happen. I would agree that either Swihart or Vazquez could have been dealt as part of a package, but Vazquez's injury really messed up the catching situation. Besides, don't most analysts think Swihart has the better offensive upside?HomeRunBaker said:Swihart did catch on his rehab assignment last night and of course Margot is there. Of all our "close to MLB-ready" prospects the one who I'm most fine moving in a Hamels deal is Swihart as much as I like him.
You'd prefer moving Betts? You are going to have to give up something you don't want to give up to get Hamels. Of course I'd not move Swihart if I didn't have to however our catching situation is fine with Hanigan/Vazquez for the near future. Vazquez had TJ surgery not an amputation.SoxLegacy said:I disagree, I think Swihart is a definite keeper. He's got much more to offer the team in terms of his athleticism and was improving at the plate before his injury. Besides, how well Vazquez recovers from TJ surgery is a huge unknown for the team. If they were to deal Swihart, they would be gambling that Vazquez returns to his pre-injury form with no guarantee that will happen. I would agree that either Swihart or Vazquez could have been dealt as part of a package, but Vazquez's injury really messed up the catching situation. Besides, don't most analysts think Swihart has the better offensive upside?
I would have to get both Papelbon and Hamels back in that deal. Otherwise take a package headlined by Johnson and Margot.HomeRunBaker said:Swihart did catch on his rehab assignment last night and of course Margot is there. Of all our "close to MLB-ready" prospects the one who I'm most fine moving in a Hamels deal is Swihart as much as I like him.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/45478/red-sox-vp-allard-baird-in-philly-sees-lefty-cole-hamels
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Twelve days before the July 31 trading deadline, Boston Red Sox vice president Allard Baird, one of general manager Ben Cherington's top lieutenants, was in Philadelphia Sunday afternoon, his visit coinciding with a start by Phillies left-hander Cole Hamels.
Hamels has been prominently linked to the Red Sox ever since Jon Lester chose free agency and signed with the Chicago Cubs. The Phillies have heavily scouted the Red Sox system, but the Phillies' desire to acquire either catcher Blake Swihart in return for the 31-year-old left-hander was a nonstarter. But with a deep farm system, the Red Sox could potentially package other prospects (Manuel Margot, Rafael Devers, Jackie Bradley Jr., Henry Owens) in a bid to acquire Hamels, if he indeed remains on their wish list.
Hamels is owed roughly $8 million in salary this season, and a guaranteed $70.5 million over the next three years, plus a $20 million team option or $24 million vesting option in 2019. The Red Sox have expressed a reluctance to make that kind of long-term financial commitment to a pitcher past the age of 30, but with the club's staff ERA at a league-worst 4.39 ERA and Clay Buchholz out with a strained flexor muscle in his right arm, they may be revisiting that position.
Hamels, of course, will have a large number of suitors, many of them better positioned to contend for a playoff spot than the Red Sox and thus likely to make offers competitive with anything the Sox put on the table.
Hamels did not have a good outing Sunday against the Miami Marlins, allowing eight hits and five runs in three innings. His last start just before the break was even worse—12 hits and 9 earned runs in 3 1/3 innings. His overall ERA is 3.91.
No, I didn't say anything about Betts at all in my post. In fact, I was not referring to the Hamels trade possibilities at all. The only thing I addressed was your point about moving Swihart. I hope the Sox hold on to both Betts and Swihart as they build the team--I agree with j44thor that Hamels will cost more than what he's worth. And to your follow on point about Vasquez being OK we really won't know that until next year, will we?HomeRunBaker said:You'd prefer moving Betts? You are going to have to give up something you don't want to give up to get Hamels. Of course I'd not move Swihart if I didn't have to however our catching situation is fine with Hanigan/Vazquez for the near future. Vazquez had TJ surgery not an amputation.
Pretty sure that's all it is. They simply listed a few of the top Sox prospects.Marbleheader said:I'd be pissed if they moved Devers for a guy like Hamels. Hopefully that's just typical ESPN shit against the wall.