Percy Harvin traded to the Jets
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Silverdude2167 said:
TerryBlountESPN Terry BlountSeahawks GM Schneider: "This was an extremely difficult decision. ... We believe this is in our best interest to move the team forward.
I get this for the Jets - I think Harvin makes them better on the field, and Rex (especially) and Idzik need some success to improve their odds of still being employed after the season.
For Seattle, it must have been mostly about off-the-field issues. People keep talking about Moss, but I'm seeing this more as a Seguin-type trade - guy who's more flashy than reliable, puts up points but may be more of a distraction than his contribution is worth.
I like this for the Pats. I really don't want to see the Jets bottom out - 7-9 in perpetuity works for me, no top draft picks, good enough to think that tinkering is all that's needed...if Harvin contributes to a couple of garbage-time Ws for the Jets (except against the Pats), I'll like this a lot. If he makes Geno look like next year's answer, I'll like it better. If he starts punching teammates, it'll be like - well, like JetsTown!
For Seattle, it must have been mostly about off-the-field issues. People keep talking about Moss, but I'm seeing this more as a Seguin-type trade - guy who's more flashy than reliable, puts up points but may be more of a distraction than his contribution is worth.
I like this for the Pats. I really don't want to see the Jets bottom out - 7-9 in perpetuity works for me, no top draft picks, good enough to think that tinkering is all that's needed...if Harvin contributes to a couple of garbage-time Ws for the Jets (except against the Pats), I'll like this a lot. If he makes Geno look like next year's answer, I'll like it better. If he starts punching teammates, it'll be like - well, like JetsTown!
"Time bomb." Could be fun. Seems that Percy just doesn't play well with others...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24757320/report-percy-harvin-fought-teammates-gave-golden-tate-black-eye-before-super-bowl
mwonow said:
I think this nails it. I'm convinced on the "he's overrated stuff," but that doesn't mean he isn't a nice match with Geno -- Geno doesn't throw further than 10 yards, and that seems to be how Harvin is best used, and he does have speed and moves (and by all accounts is a hard worker). But, yeah, my fear at this point is that the Jets end up 3-13 and a top 3 pick. Much rather they have a 6 or 7 win season...bonus points if it helps keep more of the current dysfunctional crew employed.
there would have been mass seppuku around here if Folk had hit that kick with :02 left. But if your goal is to weaken the Jets for another year by keeping the clowns in charge there, then a Jets win in Foxboro would have done it, and would not have threatened the Pats' playoff chances - they are going to win the division.Tony C said:
Of course you don't want to lose that game, but Sexy Rexy probably saves his job with a win there, and more hilarity ensues.
Aside: learning that the Jets cut Harvin's former Florida teammate David Nelson to make room for Harvin made me look up the 2008 Gators roster, which is just a absurd amount of talent:
QB: Tebow - with Cam Newton also on the roster (forgot he redshirted)
WR: Percy Harvin
WR: Riley Cooper
WR: Louis Murphy
WR: David Nelson
RB (perhaps the weakest position for that team in terms of making it in the NFL): Jeff Demps
RB: Chris Rainey
TE: Aaron Hernandez
K: Sturgis
OL: Marcus Gilbert, Markus and Maurice Pouncey
DE: Carlos Dunlap
DT: Jaye Howard
LB: Brandon Spikes, Jermaine Cunningham
S: Major Wright
CB: Janoris Jenkins, Joe Haden
That roster is also a list of people who got into all kinds of trouble in college (Newton stealing a laptop) and in the NFL (Hernandez obviously being an extreme, but also Pouncey and Riley Cooper)... and Harvin was considered terrible?
QB: Tebow - with Cam Newton also on the roster (forgot he redshirted)
WR: Percy Harvin
WR: Riley Cooper
WR: Louis Murphy
WR: David Nelson
RB (perhaps the weakest position for that team in terms of making it in the NFL): Jeff Demps
RB: Chris Rainey
TE: Aaron Hernandez
K: Sturgis
OL: Marcus Gilbert, Markus and Maurice Pouncey
DE: Carlos Dunlap
DT: Jaye Howard
LB: Brandon Spikes, Jermaine Cunningham
S: Major Wright
CB: Janoris Jenkins, Joe Haden
SeoulSoxFan said:
That roster is also a list of people who got into all kinds of trouble in college (Newton stealing a laptop) and in the NFL (Hernandez obviously being an extreme, but also Pouncey and Riley Cooper)... and Harvin was considered terrible?
Not discussed above is the report that he pulled a Scottie Pippen Sunday -- took himself out of the game and refused to go back in when asked by the coaches.The Four Peters said:
Lots of stuff gets excused in these threads, but if that is true, it's completely unacceptable and no wonder they cut their losses. Especially when you have the prototype "players' coach" in Carroll.
Lost among the salary cap, draft pick, and personality discussions -- perhaps Harvin is losing the elite explosiveness that made him a top threat due to the injuries over the years.
Edit: Harvin's "influence" on Geno Smith is a huge risk to take for Idzik. Santonio Holmes brought the circus back to town. Harvin may be bringing the WWE to TGG.
I recall that the Jets also traded for Tim Tebow, giving up a 4th and 6th rounder for a 7th round pick in return.
Does this mean that the Jets basically valued Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin as equivalent?
Does this mean that the Jets basically valued Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin as equivalent?
EricFeczko said:
That's not how negotiating works. You trade as little as possible for any asset, regardless of how much you value them. We don't know how much the Jets would have actually traded for Harvin if it took more to get a deal done, so we don't know how much the Jets actually value him.
There are also many other variables with regards to the players' contracts, the timing of the trades, salary cap situation, etc. that make any such evaluations much more complicated than just looking at the pick given up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/will-percy-harvin-be-any-different-with-the-jets/
Emphasis mine.
So who is the Hawks' Col. Jessup?
Emphasis mine.
So who is the Hawks' Col. Jessup?
The Four Peters said:
Why would he start now? Same guy thought the Red Sox punted their future when they traded Kason Gabbard.
Sure, but before they lost why did Lynch "go off" about getting rid of a guy who seemed to be pretty universally disliked?
glennhoffmania said:
Every asshole has his cohorts.
Edit: To be fair to Lynch, maybe he doesn't get involved with the locker room BS. If his sole focus is winning, I could see how losing Harvin would piss him off.
One theory is that Harvin's real issues were with the coaches, not the the other players, and a lot of the players, while recognizing that Harvin was a nutjob, also knew how talented he was and didn't care as long as he helped the team. Some of them may even have agreed with Harvin's supposed complaints that the coaches weren't using him well.
In this theory, all the leaks about how Harvin was a locker room cancer are coming from management and are intended solely to justify their decision to dump him, and don't actually reflect his reputation among the other players.
In this theory, all the leaks about how Harvin was a locker room cancer are coming from management and are intended solely to justify their decision to dump him, and don't actually reflect his reputation among the other players.
coremiller said:
That may all be true. But everything posted in this thread supports the fact that he was an asshole from HS to college to MN to Seattle. And any excuse for almost knocking Tate out of the SB would have to be pretty extreme to justify it.
DrewDawg said:
Maybe Tate started the fight. Maybe he's just a hothead who got into it a couple times with guys but there was no bad blood. Who knows? Maverick and IceMan ended up flying together, after all.
None of us really know -- I was just throwing out an idea for how all the stuff we've heard can be consistent with players being upset that he was traded.
Then explain the beach volleyball scene. There's no way a screen writer puts that in a script, but that's just how Top Guns chill out, bro.E5 Yaz said:
Don't tell that to ChinaE5 Yaz said:
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/01/28/video-cctv-tries-to-pass-off-%E2%80%98top-gun%E2%80%99-clip-as-military-drill/
My guess is that the refusal to enter the game in the fourth quarter against Dallas is why they got rid of him. It's one thing to get into scuffles with other players, but refusing to enter a tight game against a conference rival and not being injured is pretty messed up. You can't have players doing that type of thing and getting away with it, so they made an example out of him. Probably sent a big of a message to the team that they are willing to get rid of anyone who won't toe the line.
SoxinSeattle said:
I know I shouldn't respond to this, but it really is infuriating how fans think they are smarter than offensive coordinators.
Bevell has done a few stupid things (such as frequently going empty backfield on 3rd and short in Wilson's rookie year) but he learns from those mistakes. On the plus side he has done a great job of tailoring the offense to Wilson's strengths and using schemes to enable mediocre receivers like Baldwin and Kearse to be effective.
The Seahawks have been undone this year by a really shitty offensive line, injuries, the loss of pass rushers in the offseason and the disastrous Harvin trade. Bevell isn't responsible for any of those.
Josh McDaniels approves this message...except for the winning the Super Bowl part.Tony C said:
In the Jets-Pats game on the last drive, McDaniels ran three times and punted. A thousand complaints rose up in the game thread because they "didn't go for the first down". If they had thrown and not made the first, the complaint would have been "they should have run the ball three times". McDaniels can't win. After all the criticism he gets for throwing when they need to burn clock, I was surprised to see the backlash this week. Let's make sure to quote some of that the next time the Pats throw to try for a first when they need to burn clock.Tony C said: