Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged
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Remember this story quite well, though unsure of your point.
Clarifying here (as I think Rev's response is also related to my murky pov in the initial response driven by emotion), I don't think the death penalty should be an option necessarily -- I've never though that out specifically -- simply I think the world would be a better place without this pos in it, but that that's the easier way out for him. I believe this guy should suffer. He's absolutely decimated the lives of countless other people. That's all.
Penn State is trying to get ahead of the forthcoming civil suits by setting up a settlement program. http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/23/usa-crime-sandusky-civil-idINL2E8HN2NL20120623. Interesting move; obviously designed to get the news off the front page; wonder if it will work. Also wonder how many more victims are going to start appearing.
Same article reports that (i) PSU has spent almost $8M already on the issue; and (ii) faces a dispute with its insurer over who is going to pay. The insurance issue I'm sure will result in some pretty fascinating law.
Finall tidbit: apparently, when Sandusky spent a night in jail in December, the inmates seranaded him with the most famous line from the Wall: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/062412-news-sandusky-folo-1-2/
Same article reports that (i) PSU has spent almost $8M already on the issue; and (ii) faces a dispute with its insurer over who is going to pay. The insurance issue I'm sure will result in some pretty fascinating law.
Finall tidbit: apparently, when Sandusky spent a night in jail in December, the inmates seranaded him with the most famous line from the Wall: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/062412-news-sandusky-folo-1-2/
"Pretty well known?" I'd caution against leaping to that conclusion. It's worth noting that, in addition to some marital turmoil, he had a family history of depression: his brother killed himself in pretty much the exact same manner (if you assume that Gricar killed himself). While not very sexy like a mafia hit or a Penn State mega-scandal, It seems like a pretty plausible scenario that he just committed suicide.
This from a Penn State forum (since deleted as far as I can tell):
If this is accurate, it is little wonder PSU wants a quick, private settlement. I think Penn State as an institution is in serious, serious trouble.
I know. I was just saying it's something I'm conscious of and it sucks that it's that way because of sick fucks like Sandusky.
They better have a boat load of money. They'll need it. You've got victims on the record in the criminal trial. Victims not on the record in the criminal trial. Victims that have not come out yet, and money will drive them. Alleged victims that will try to tag onto the settlement that probably never knew him. Shark effect. Won't be pretty, won't be under the radar.
I would hate to be involved as a PSU civil attorney, you're gonna have to drive to prison, interview that fuck over and over about victims that continue to come out and he's gonna spend the first hour of every meeting complaining about being ganged raped in the shower, people pissing down his throat and in his coffee, and wanting help to pursue civil actions against the prison system. Once you get through all that, the conversation will turn to going through the details of multiple specific instances where he raped teenage boys. I want to be a lawyer when I grow up.
I would hate to be involved as a PSU civil attorney, you're gonna have to drive to prison, interview that fuck over and over about victims that continue to come out and he's gonna spend the first hour of every meeting complaining about being ganged raped in the shower, people pissing down his throat and in his coffee, and wanting help to pursue civil actions against the prison system. Once you get through all that, the conversation will turn to going through the details of multiple specific instances where he raped teenage boys. I want to be a lawyer when I grow up.
Yes, I mean there are probably hundreds of people who have waiting YEARS to make up stories about being raped by Sandusky and tell those stories publicly so everyone will know them as alleged rape victims for the rest of their lives in order to get rich, RICH I tell you!
You'd be surprised. We're talking about a mill per victim here, maybe more.
How do you figure?
In a negotiated settlement, the Archdiocese of Boston paid $85mm to 552 claimants -- roughly $150k each. None of the plaintiffs who settled got more than $300k. And as horrible as the cover-up at PSU was, the Archdiocese's actions were much worse, both from a moral and a legal perspective.
The archdiocese case was set up via a matrix designed by a classmate of mine who runs a mediation service outside of Brockton, MA. He put this thing together about 10 years ago and just about every sex abuse case in the US (unfortunately mostly Catholic archdioceses and schools) uses this matrixMy classmate has become quite wealthy handling these matters across the country. Assuming we find out that there are 50 victims of Sandusky, based on the matrix, again assuming PSU usues this as a base line, you are looking at a gross settlemt of somewhere around $10,000,000-$15,000,000. Lots of money but if you figure a typical football game at Beaver Stadium takes in gate receipts of around $3,000,000 for ticket sales, this case will cost them about 2/3 of home gate receipts for 1 football season. Unless of course they can get their insurance company to kick in their liability limits which I am sure are well above $15M or so. We'll see. In any case, this is bad but it won't financially cripple the PSU football program.
Point is that this scandal will not impact the university as financially as people might think and, it will be business as usual in Happy Valley in about a year's time. Unless serious sanctions come down on the school it will pay these claims with the interest earned on football operations and turn the page. I could care less about the financial impact either but I am pointing out that this scandal, from a financial side, will not be the big hit everyone thinks it will be. Many people felt that this scandal would destroy the program. I am saying it will not as they will still get 100,000 people into Beaver Stadium for 7 games every year, and gross sales will be $3-4M per game in ticket sales. That translates to $21-28M per year in ticket revenues alone. Add in another $20 per seat average for concessions, T shirts, etc. and you have another $2M per game or $14M over a season (probabaly low estimation). Figure it takes 2-3 years to get all the claims filed and you have say 50 claimants, if the school just looked at game day football revenue to pay for claims, there is a pool of maybe $90M over this period to pay out somewher between $10-15M in losses. I would like to see this scandal take the whole house of cards down but it just won't. The numbers just don;t add up to it.
Additonally, you would think that they would have a problem recruiting, right? The recruiting class of 2012 was indeed a poor one for the Lions but the class of 2013 already has 4 of the Top 20 East recruits committed to them. They have 8 4star recruits and 4 3star recruits in the fold. Go figure.
http://espn.go.com/c...013/view/region
They are ranked #15 in recruiting right now for the Class of 2013. I am disappointed with all of this because it truly shows that football, when it is a revenue machine like this, will survive anything. If a scandal like this is only a blip on the radar screen when all is said and done, what does that really say about us...really what does that say?
No current coach at PSU said this.
O'Brian's done a hell of a job so far recruiting, all things considered.
Sounds like the Freeh report should be out in the next few months:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/penn_states_reputation_image_s.html
Highly recommend the full article.
Interesting bit toward the end about PSU's insurance coverage:
I'm not sure how to read this. The words "found guilty" are suggestive of a criminal conviction, but I probably shouldn't parse a reporter's words that closely.
I imagine the insurer will raise the alleged criminal conduct of Curley and Schultz (and Spanier, if he's eventually charged) and argue that all claims related to that conduct are not covered. I also expect the insurer will maintain that because it didn't receive notice of potential claims until years after senior administrators became aware of them, the insurer was prejudiced and is therefore relieved of its obligation to indemnify the university. I question whether either argument has merit -- afaik, the boy McQueary witnessed being raped still hasn't been identified, so that particular case is unlikely to be the source of liability for the university.
Do you remember how he died? There's even video of the incident on YouTube.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sandusky is not long for this world.
He'll be sent to Camp Hill, a state prison that is pretty infamous for riot and violence (and a lovely 8 mile drive from my house). He'll be in a wing with sex offenders, they aren't sure yet how much solidarity time he'll have.
I agree, those are the stated procedures in many places, i.e. what is "supposed to happen."
I used the Geoghan example because he was killed while ostensibly in protective custody by a prisoner who was in the same unit with him despite the fact that he was a loudly avowed gay hater who was in prison for killing a man whom merely for what he claimed was making a pass at him and had said he was going to kill Geoghan, a fact of which the corrections officers had been informed by another inmate. Suffice to say, that is not what was "supposed to happen."
Something to keep your eye on: The Freeh report (led by former FBI director Louis Freeh) is coming out in a few weeks. And it could very well be a doozy.
From today's Chronicles of Higher Education:
CNN has some if those emails. This is an email from Curley (the AD) to President Spanier (with Schulz cc'd). The "person involved" opus Sandusky.
A few links:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/29/2169866/penn-state-officials-allegedly.html
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/6/29/3127199/penn-state-emails-jerry-sandusky-scandal-cnn
From today's Chronicles of Higher Education:
The report will also key in on the secret file of the president and emails where they talk about how humane it will be to cover up Sandusky's investigation.
CNN has some if those emails. This is an email from Curley (the AD) to President Spanier (with Schulz cc'd). The "person involved" opus Sandusky.
A few links:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/29/2169866/penn-state-officials-allegedly.html
http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/6/29/3127199/penn-state-emails-jerry-sandusky-scandal-cnn
CNN allegedly has e-mails purporting that Joe Paterno was in on a coverup in 2001.
It was reported on Anderson Cooper's show this evening. Here is a screen grab of the e-mail:
http://yfrog.com/kfezuyavj
The e-mail, sent from Tim Curley to Graham Spanier and Gary Schultz on February 27, 2001 says:
It was reported on Anderson Cooper's show this evening. Here is a screen grab of the e-mail:
http://yfrog.com/kfezuyavj
The e-mail, sent from Tim Curley to Graham Spanier and Gary Schultz on February 27, 2001 says:
It doesn't add up though. You'd think that if they thought Sandusky was a rapist (and not just creepy), but decided to cover it up they would have distanced themselves completely from him. And keeping a log of incidents doesn't sound very smart for a coverup.
Especially after the '98 incident which did get investigated but nothing happened.
Especially after the '98 incident which did get investigated but nothing happened.
Here is the full CNN story. There were unbelievably evil actions carried out by Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz if true. It was humane to not go to the authorities?
http://t.co/yIxyfAB4
http://t.co/yIxyfAB4
Sorta.
I think the "it's not my place" is pretty ridiculous considering he's the world's Joe Paterno expert. I think the Tweet was in pretty poor taste.
You don't think that many many people were messaging and tweeting him what his response was to the new news? I would hardly call his tweet a tweet to sell books.
I'm skeptical, but I'm giving Poz the benefit of the doubt until the book comes out. It's possible he's declining to comment because this new information has changed his perspective on Joe.
I believe that when these emails are revealed in full, Paterno will prove to have been every bit as culpable as Spanier et al, and probably more so.
I believe that when these emails are revealed in full, Paterno will prove to have been every bit as culpable as Spanier et al, and probably more so.
You mean the guy who moved to Happy Valley to "study" Joe for a year, but who missed the local March 2011 news articles about Sandusky being the subject of a grand jury investigation, and Paterno testifying, and therefore was blindsided by the news in the November and never asked Paterno about it before hand?
Other than the Paterno reference, this is what stands out to me from the emails:
Not that it's surprising, but they all knew what they were doing, and what risks they were taking, by not going to authorities.
I guess the next thing to come out will be more info about Sandusky's abrupt "retirement."
It also shows they were far more concerned with what might happen to them and the university than for the victims. Pretty damning stuff.
I stopped by BSD yesterday to try and gauge the community's reaction. Some guy was getting mercilessly hammered for saying that "IF all this stuff is true, we have to reassess our opinion of Joe Paterno". If anyone remembers that Chapelle's Show skit about Chapelle as a jurist for R. Kelly, that's basically what I felt like. Someone actually said they'd need to see a clearly undoctored video of JoePa talking about how he knew Sandusky molested kids in 98, and again in 01, and how the university needed to squash a police investigation before it harmed his legacy before he'd believe JoePa was instrumentally involved in a coverup.
A little more from the NYT:
Also, did administrators buy McQueary's silence by giving him a job:
This follows up that earlier report that the administrators counsulted legal counsel about their reporting requirements. It's still unclear how much they involved outside counsel in any sort of coverup...Counsel isn't namechecked in any of the emails we have so far, at least.
Also, did administrators buy McQueary's silence by giving him a job:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/ncaafootball/paterno-may-have-influenced-decision-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=sports