Paul George to OKC

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Here's Amick reporting that George has made it known that he won't "close a window of opportunity" if he lands on a contender: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/06/28/paul-george-warned-indiana-pacers-trade/435476001/
In that same paragraph it says "remain open to the idea of re-signing next summer"

That is nowhere near the ballpark of "George would be willing to sign a three year extension in Boston."

There is no realistic way for George to sign an extension with Boston if they also sign Hayward. That's before even taking into account Georges' willingness to sign an extension.
 

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What about my post is a worst case scenario? That the Nets aren't in the top 3? That Sacramento's pick doesn't end up in the top 3? Those are completely reasonable outcomes.
And that's why I think you shouldn't hesitate to include one of them in this deal if you believe George will re-sign. It's a risk arbitrage. There are a lot of unknowns surrounding those picks, and their value may well be at an all time high.
It's nothing like 'risk arbitrage', it's flawed logic

Bradley + Crowder + one or two 1st round picks (NOT Brooklyn or LAL/Sac) is more than anyone else can offer, that's the argument here. That's two starters from a top 4 playoff team and it's a haul.

If the Pacers want the LAL/Sac pick they can offer up their 2018 first rounder along with George. Maybe that works.
 

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It's nothing like 'risk arbitrage', it's flawed logic

Bradley + Crowder + one or two 1st round picks (NOT Brooklyn or LAL/Sac) is more than anyone else can offer, that's the argument here. That's two starters from a top 4 playoff team and it's a haul.

If the Pacers want the LAL/Sac pick they can offer up their 2018 first rounder along with George. Maybe that works.
Right, this is exactly my line of thinking. If they don't want the players, fine, but it should be easy enough to flip them to another team either now or at the deadline for a good return on top of the two included first rounders. I'm just not seeing proposed offers that are better than this other than arguably Love, and they don't seem interested in him. Maybe someone will step up with a dumb offer, but I don't think it will be Danny because all signs are pointing to PG playing in LA next year.
 

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Pritchard must REALLY love either Dipo or Sabonis. That is to me a worse return than Crowder/Bradley without any picks.
 

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OKC is going to be an even bigger dumpster fire after PG leaves next year outside of Russ. I wonder if they're giving him a final hurrah before trading him as well.
 

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This has got to be an indication that George has made it clear he's a Laker next year, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense that they'd do a deal this early for this package.
 

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This has got to be an indication that George has made it clear he's a Laker next year, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense that they'd do a deal this early for this package.
I agree. I also think that the Pacers must have thought that DA wasn't budging and giving up picks for a rental for a guy who's adamant about not sticking around
 

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So he asks for Brooklyn pick, LA pick, and starters and then takes that shit deal? lol ok.
This is bullshit from Ainge. How couldn't he beat this offer???
Obviously they really like one of those players for some reason (Dipo, I guess), because there's no way this was objectively the best offer.
 

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Pritchard must REALLY love either Dipo or Sabonis. That is to me a worse return than Crowder/Bradley without any picks.
Given his contract I'd take Oladipo over either of them. But Sabonis is garbage---an odd deal in that Indiana isn't close and is losing ground relative to last year here, without getting picks
 

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Pacers wanted him out of the East? This doesn't even make sense. West is going to be a bloodbath.
 

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A Cadillac pulls in and asks if you want to sell some of the firewood in your yard. Looking to make a score you say "I sure do, $350 per cord". The person behind the wheel sizes you up then says he will offer $200. You guffaw knowing that anyone in a Caddy can afford 300. You stick with the $300 price and the Caddy Driver eventually drives away.

A few days later a Rough looking pickup pulls in. They too want to buy some wood. They offer $200, and after a few mins you counter with both of you eventually settling on $225 (which happens to be the going rate).
Hit the nail on the head.
 

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OKC is going to be an even bigger dumpster fire after PG leaves next year outside of Russ. I wonder if they're giving him a final hurrah before trading him as well.
No, this trade is all about convincing Russ to sign a super-max contract NOW -- to nail him down for another five years.
 

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Given his contract I'd take Oladipo over either of them. But Sabonis is garbage---an odd deal in that Indiana isn't close and is losing ground relative to last year here, without getting picks
Wait what? Oladipo I believe has 3 years and 63 million left. Crowder has 3 years and 21 million left on his contract.....and that makes Oladipo more valuable?
 

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I am totally at peace with this deal. George doesn't go to the Lakers, or Cleveland. Our rights to the Lakers pick maintains it's high value, George is out of the conference, the Nets have regressed, and the Celtics are still the front-runners to land Hayward. Good off-season thus far.
 

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Given his contract I'd take Oladipo over either of them. But Sabonis is garbage---an odd deal in that Indiana isn't close and is losing ground relative to last year here, without getting picks
Wait.... you think paying Victor Oladipo 21M a year for 4 years is GOOD?? compared with about 21M OVER 3 years for Crowder (who is the better player)?
 

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Wait what? Oladipo I believe has 3 years and 63 million left. Crowder has 3 years and 21 million left on his contract.....and that makes Oladipo more valuable?

Let the Indy GM know you're available. I'm already putting out feelers in Orlando and I don't want to get greedy. These motherfuckers are so dumb.
 

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Oladipo is 4/$85....which ain't cheap but also is fixed for his peak years.

I think he's a better player than Crowder---but yes, Crowder's contract is a part of his value. If you're Indy, though, you need guys who might take another step up and be impact guys. I don't expect Oladipo to but it is possible. Crowder is a great role player, and that's what he's going to be.
 

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So he asks for Brooklyn pick, LA pick, and starters and then takes that shit deal? lol ok.

Obviously they really like one of those players for some reason (Dipo, I guess), because there's no way this was objectively the best offer.
Right. You can't blame Danny for other GM's being scared shitless by him. We likely had the best offer on the table, but you can't force the Pacers to take it. Oh well, that Lakers pick is looking good for next year.
 

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So very confused celtics couldn't beat this in some way. Also can't even believe pacers didn't get at least a protected first rounder? Two seconds??
 

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Oladipo is 4/$85....which ain't cheap but also is fixed for his peak years.

I think he's a better player than Crowder---but yes, Crowder's contract is a part of his value. If you're Indy, though, you need guys who might take another step up and be impact guys. I don't expect Oladipo to but it is possible. Crowder is a great role player, and that's what he's going to be.
>20% of your cap space on Victor Oladipo is the wrong answer to any question

What is the minimum a team is forced to spend by the association?
 

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Well damn. Oh well, when season ended my thought was that they were only getting Hayward, so hopefully that's gonna happen.
 

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Right. You can't blame Danny for other GM's being scared shitless by him. We likely had the best offer on the table, but you can't force the Pacers to take it. Oh well, that Lakers pick is looking good for next year.

Nice about the Lakers pick. That hadn't hit me yet and PG traded to LA was definitely the concern at the forefront with that pick.
 

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looks like Danny wouldn't budge from AB+Crowder and a first rounder in the 20s. That is not really all that better, even without knowing the other pieces.
 

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>20% of your cap space on Victor Oladipo is the wrong answer to any question

What is the minimum a team is forced to spend by the association?
I be;lieve the floor is 85%? Doesn't matter though since the only punishment for not making the floor is that you pay out the leftover money to the guys on the roster. 4/85 for Oladipo is just terrible.
 

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looks like Danny wouldn't budge from AB+Crowder and a first rounder in the 20s. That is not really all that better, even without knowing the other pieces.
I would take that in a heartbeat over Dipo/Saboni (and NO PICK?) But beyond that... do we really think those 2 deals were going away if he waited a few days? A few weeks? Put pressure on OKC when Russ doesn't sign the extension, or Boston if they miss out on Hayward. It was just a bizarre settling for low value right away.

It's like listing your house, then taking the first lowball offer before you've even had an open house.
 

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Noidea what OKC could possibly offer, but apparently George has been traded there
The best part is that 2 hours ago I read tweets from half a dozen NBA "experts" saying Indiana was perfectly willing to wait to see how FA pans out.

The upshot: there are no experts.
 

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Whether you like Sabonis or not, he is still 21. 6'11, 240 pounds and shot the 3 ok last year. He rebounded well in college.
 

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looks like Danny wouldn't budge from AB+Crowder and a first rounder in the 20s. That is not really all that better, even without knowing the other pieces.
He couldn't do shit until the middle of next week anyways.