Pats sign JuJu Smith-Schuster

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Are knee explosions common? If so, what are we doing about it? We need big knee to take responsiblity!
The rare exploding knee. Yet to see one in the wild.

It all seriousness, probably has moderate to severe osteoarthritis, it swells up on him, he has waxing/waning symptoms, and it's destined to end his career early at some point.

Let's hope they can get 1-2 above average years out of him, though wonder if they already have some buyer's remorse.
 

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The rare exploding knee. Yet to see one in the wild.

It all seriousness, probably has moderate to severe osteoarthritis, it swells up on him, he has waxing/waning symptoms, and it's destined to end his career early at some point.

Let's hope they can get 1-2 above average years out of him, though wonder if they already have some buyer's remorse.
Hope you’re wrong! I’d note that Breer didn’t even really report the thing on JuJu’s knee he just said it in a hyperbolic way during a segment on the Pats receivers.
 

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Hope you’re wrong! I’d note that Breer didn’t even really report the thing on JuJu’s knee he just said it in a hyperbolic way during a segment on the Pats receivers.
Hope I am too!

Didn't give it a lot of thought and don't know much of his injury background (were the specifics of the Chiefs knee injury in the playoffs reported?).

Just playing the odds any 6 year NFL vet with knee issues and persistent concerns before the season even starts has at least moderate arthritis. Another option is he partially tore his ACL but tried to let his heal rather than have surgery, and it at a higher risk to fully tear than most.

Breer could also just be talking out of his ass.
 

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The rare exploding knee. Yet to see one in the wild.

It all seriousness, probably has moderate to severe osteoarthritis, it swells up on him, he has waxing/waning symptoms, and it's destined to end his career early at some point.

Let's hope they can get 1-2 above average years out of him, though wonder if they already have some buyer's remorse.
Here you go:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQtkgQ08xM
 

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Breer even clarified his own reporting last Friday on T&R. As J2S2 said in the MassLive piece, he hurt his knee in the playoffs and it took some work to even play in the Super Bowl. He had a procedure after the season along with (likely) unexpected swelling from a long plane flight, so he and the Pats have been bringing the knee along slowly. Strictly a difference of opinion between Breer and his sources vs. J2S2 and the Pats. “About to explode” doesn’t remotely fit what we’ve seen of Smith in the preseason.
 

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Can we talk JuJu for a second? Ok, I’m going to talk JuJu.

I know he’s been battling some leg/knee stuff but was anyone else pretty surprised at how slow he looked? Is that how he looked last year in KC? I don’t even remember but he ran like a RB out of the backfield in open space to me. There’s still a need for a dependable pass catcher so I guess that’s fine as long as he’s making catches but I saw zero explosion from him yesterday. Also thought Montgomery looked rather meh as well in that department.
 

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Can we talk JuJu for a second? Ok, I’m going to talk JuJu.

I know he’s been battling some leg/knee stuff but was anyone else pretty surprised at how slow he looked? Is that how he looked last year in KC? I don’t even remember but he ran like a RB out of the backfield in open space to me. There’s still a need for a dependable pass catcher so I guess that’s fine as long as he’s making catches but I saw zero explosion from him yesterday. Also thought Montgomery looked rather meh as well in that department.
Maybe the writer who said JuJu’s knee could explode at any moment, actually meant that there’s literally a ticking time bomb in there, and if he runs any faster than a 4.7, it will blow up.

I‘m not concerned as of this moment, but there was very little burst.
 

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He hasn't had a lot of game movement for a while, so I'm going to give it a month, but yeah I dunno. He looked ok on a couple plays, but he wasn't on the field a ton and didn't get targeted much.
 

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He looked much better last year, and not just for Patrick Mahomes reasons. Hopefully it's just rust and easing back from the offseason surgery/cleanup. I'm reasonably optimistic, especially with it not looking like he needs to be the 1A option.
 

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Can we talk JuJu for a second? Ok, I’m going to talk JuJu.

I know he’s been battling some leg/knee stuff but was anyone else pretty surprised at how slow he looked? Is that how he looked last year in KC? I don’t even remember but he ran like a RB out of the backfield in open space to me. There’s still a need for a dependable pass catcher so I guess that’s fine as long as he’s making catches but I saw zero explosion from him yesterday. Also thought Montgomery looked rather meh as well in that department.
I thought Montgomery had a lot more burst than JuJu.

He had 4 catches so that's better than many of our recent WR FA signings. Hopefully he improves because I agree that game 1 was pretty meh.
 

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Bourne actually took Meyers position. Juju looks fine. It’s been one game.
Meyers may be out of the league soon. That hit he took yesterday after his history of concussions was pretty awful.
Meyers is in the concussion protocol again. I absolutely loved him but that lateral business...
 

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Providing a little more context to Juju's first game.

He was on the field for 43 (54%) total snaps.

Of those 43 snaps, 29 (67%) were on passing plays, and he lined up in the slot on 16 (55%) of them.

That means out of the 20 total designed runs the Patriots ran, Juju was blocking on 14 (70%).

Quick synopsis - Despite Jones throwing the ball 54(?!) times, Juju was only on the field for about 50% of those throws. However, he was on the field for nearly 70% of the runs that occurred. That doesn't include any screens where he may have been blocking, so those numbers should probably skew even heavier towards run blocking.

If his knee was an issue, I don't think they would have been using him so frequently in the running game. We know the team isn't going to want to lean on Jones for 50+ throws a game. So if Sundays game was a barometer for what to expect from him, I'd say we should expect more crack back blocks than 80+ yard games. And, honestly, if the rest of the WR's continue to grow on yesterdays game, I think thats a pretty valuable role out of the WR room.

(Edit - obvious SSS and gameplan caveats apply)
 
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Providing a little more context to Juju's first game.

He was on the field for 43 (54%) total snaps.

Of those 43 snaps, 29 (67%) were on passing plays, and he lined up in the slot on 16 (55%) of them.

That means out of the 20 total designed runs the Patriots ran, Juju was blocking on 14 of them (70%).

Quick synopsis - Despite Jones throwing the ball 54(?!) times, Juju was only on the field for about 50% of those throws. However, he was on the field for nearly 70% of the runs that occurred. That doesn't include any screens where he may have been blocking, so those numbers should probably skew even heavier towards run blocking.

If his knee was an issue, I don't think they would have been using him so frequently in the running game. We know the team isn't going to want to lean on Jones for 50+ throws a game. So if Sundays game was a barometer for what to expect from him, I'd say we should expect more crack back blocks than 80+ yard games. And, honestly, if the rest of the WR's continue to grow on yesterdays game, I think thats a pretty valuable role out of the WR room.
So JuJu is the new N'Keal?
 

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Was he signed to be the WR1? Fans and writers may believe he was but that doesn't mean BB did. Taking into account that it has been one game, the gameplan certainly plays into how he was used with short drops, getting the pass out within 3 seconds, etc. the writing is largely worthless.
 

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Was he signed to be the WR1? Fans and writers may believe he was but that doesn't mean BB did. Taking into account that it has been one game, the gameplan certainly plays into how he was used with short drops, getting the pass out within 3 seconds, etc. the writing is largely worthless.
I think he was signed to fill a role that is very prominent in BOB's offense, yes. If they had expectations of him being a traditional WR1 or not it's hard to tell, but I think they brought him in under the assumption that he'd be a high volume receiver and an integral part of what they wanted to do on offense. The money he got isn't trivial for what the Pats usually spend at receiver and he for all intents and purposes in both role and contract replaced a guy that was their number one option in the passing game for the past three seasons.

But honestly if they feel he's toast and can't run, just pull the plug and give Demario Douglas some real run in the slot.
 

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Honestly I think this has more to do with Douglas and Bourne than it does with JuJu. If they pats had not hit on Douglas (and maybe Boutte) JuJu would be playing a more prominent role.
 

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Honestly I think this has more to do with Douglas and Bourne than it does with JuJu. If they pats had not hit on Douglas (and maybe Boutte) JuJu would be playing a more prominent role.
I’m not sure. JuJu was signed to replace Meyers. If they had instead re-signed Meyers, and Douglas and Boutte had done what they’ve done, would Meyers be seeing the limitations JuJu saw Sunday?

It’s a tiny sample size and could be gameplan-specific. But given the relative costs and roles they are expected to play, it’s worth wondering why they signed JuJu instead of sticking with Meyers for a few million more a year during a period in which they have the cap space to fit him, even without restructuring other deals in any meaningful fashion.
 

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I’m not sure. JuJu was signed to replace Meyers. If they had instead re-signed Meyers, and Douglas and Boutte had done what they’ve done, would Meyers be seeing the limitations JuJu saw Sunday?

It’s a tiny sample size and could be gameplan-specific. But given the relative costs and roles they are expected to play, it’s worth wondering why they signed JuJu instead of sticking with Meyers for a few million more a year during a period in which they have the cap space to fit him, even without restructuring other deals in any meaningful fashion.
Clearly worth wondering. They paid JuJu to be a 90 percent of snaps plus guy and aren't getting that.

This does all seem a little weird--it almost seems to me like the team is saying "nah, he's not that hurt, he just sucks."
 

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Clearly worth wondering. They paid JuJu to be a 90 percent of snaps plus guy and aren't getting that.

This does all seem a little weird--it almost seems to me like the team is saying "nah, he's not that hurt, he just sucks."
It's what we heard all throughout camp too. "He's out there a lot, he's catching a lot of short passes, but he doesn't look athletic or explosive" was the tone of the coverage and he lived up to it Week 1. I feel like there's a chance they believed he was still recovering from the injury but this is actually just who he is now.
 

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Honestly I think this has more to do with Douglas and Bourne than it does with JuJu. If they pats had not hit on Douglas (and maybe Boutte) JuJu would be playing a more prominent role.
I don't think this is it. The Patriots historically haven't used rookie receivers much, not even the ones they drafted at the top of the draft. Late in the 4th quarter of a close game and your highest paid receiver is on the bench watching 6th rounders get snaps? No way they're happy with that, no matter how promising the young guys are.
 

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It's what we heard all throughout camp too. "He's out there a lot, he's catching a lot of short passes, but he doesn't look athletic or explosive" was the tone of the coverage and he lived up to it Week 1. I feel like there's a chance they believed he was still recovering from the injury but this is actually just who he is now.
That's certainly possible and it would suck. Fortunately this might be an acquisition that might not hurt too too much-- there's a chance that Boutte and Douglas might be a lot better than we had expected and the reemergence of Bourne is also nice. But definitely not looking like a great pickup at this point.
 

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That's certainly possible and it would suck. Fortunately this might be an acquisition that might not hurt too too much-- there's a chance that Boutte and Douglas might be a lot better than we had expected and the reemergence of Bourne is also nice. But definitely not looking like a great pickup at this point.
Yeah, if the young guys develop into very good players this would not only not be an issue but probably a blessing as they get more playing time early. But that's a big if.
 

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He's the new Chad Ochocinco.
More the new Agholor. PFF had JJSS ranked as the #2 available WR, behind Old Friend Jakobi Meyers. We had money to spend with Agholor coming off the books. Agholor was 2 years/$22M, and got the whole boat. JJSS got 3 years/25.5M, $16M of which is guaranteed, and very front-loaded. His dead cap is such that he'll likely only be here for 2 years, after which he's likely gone with $2M in dead cap left. It was a decent risk for a vet in the position, but really, I think it shows a lot more about the strength of the draft class AND the other FAs (like Gesicki).
 

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It will always come down to whether it was better to sign him or Meyers. The money was very similar. Of course this needs to looked at in the context of all the pass catchers and the need for complementary skill sets. The injury is what sucks. If that knee is as bas as reported, it was a poor decision.
 

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It will always come down to whether it was better to sign him or Meyers. The money was very similar. Of course this needs to looked at in the context of all the pass catchers and the need for complementary skill sets. The injury is what sucks. If that knee is as bas as reported, it was a poor decision.
The difference here is that Jakobi was a known quantity inside the system who was proven to work in the role JuJu is now being asked to fill. If it were two guys from outside the organization, then it's a coin flip because who knows about acclimation and picking up the offense and developing chemisty. I could see going with the cheaper external option if you had a cap issue. I could see going with an external option at the same price if you believed there was greater upside. But to take away a receiver who your QB trusted and who knew how to operate in your system (or really under two systems since he went from Josh to the clowns last year, even if that system is now changing again under BoB) - that's something that requires more thought.

Now, it's been mentioned in the thread that BB moved on from Welker to grab Amendola. Ultimately, Welker played 2.5 more injury-plagued years and racked up just another 1,200 yards in his career, so even though Amendola didn't fill his role completely (partly because of Edelman's development), BB was dead right on that one. But Welker was 31 years old having caught nearly 450 balls in the prior 4 years, while Meyers is 26 and has only half that many catches in his whole career so far.

It's Week 1, so this could all be moot by the time Halloween rolls around. But when you spend on a replacement and then they can't get on the field for more than 55% of snaps, that's a bit concerning to start. Let's see how it develops.
 

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I said this way back when but I'll reiterate it here. There's only one ball to go around. Mac threw for 316 yards last week. If he threw for 316 every week, that's 5,372 yards, which would be amazing. But how would you divide those up by this list of players, such that there isn't SOMEBODY who looks like a "bust"? (a draft bust, a bad FA signing, a terrible trade, etc.)

JuJu
Bourne
Thornton
Parker
Boutte
Douglas
Henry
Gesicki
Stevenson
Montgomery

If the WRs all do well, that means that a TE isn't getting enough receptions and people will scream about Henry or Gesicki being "invisible" and a waste. If the TEs are being super productive, and Stevenson is getting tons of yards in the short passing game, it may mean that Thornton and Parker aren't getting touches, and they're busts. If the vets catch all the passes, then the rookies are doing nothing, and they're considered wasted draft picks. Conversely, if the rookies are doing well, that means fewer passes for the vets to catch.

Let's assume Mac completes 400 passes for 4,500 yards, which is way more realistic than 5,372 yards. How to divide up 400 passes and 4,500 yards?

JuJu - 50 rec, 500 yds
Bourne - 65 rec, 850 yds
Thornton - 20 rec, 250 yds
Parker - 60 rec, 700 yds
Boutte - 35 rec, 350 yds
Douglas - 40 rec, 450 yds
Henry - 40 rec, 500 yds
Gesicki - 40 rec, 500 yds
Stevenson - 30 rec, 250 yds
Montgomery - 20 rec, 150 yds

TOT - 400 rec, 4,500 yds

If we looked at that list, we'd think, JuJu is a bust - a guy meant to be the WR1 (so someone claims), only getting 50 receptions and 500 yards? WTF? Thornton...what a bust of a pick with only 20 receptions and 250 yards. Parker? Ok but mostly meh. Bourne? Ok nice but nothing to write home about. Boutte? Great for a rookie but it's not like he's Jefferson or anything. Same with Douglas. Henry and Gesicki? Ok good production but again, nothing crazy - they've had better years elsewhere. Stevenson? He's only a RB but that's not much of a receiving threat. Montgomery? Why is he even here?

Yet that would be a tremendous passing offense piling up 4,500 yards.
 

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I said this way back when but I'll reiterate it here. There's only one ball to go around. Mac threw for 316 yards last week. If he threw for 316 every week, that's 5,372 yards, which would be amazing. But how would you divide those up by this list of players, such that there isn't SOMEBODY who looks like a "bust"? (a draft bust, a bad FA signing, a terrible trade, etc.)

JuJu
Bourne
Thornton
Parker
Boutte
Douglas
Henry
Gesicki
Stevenson
Montgomery

If the WRs all do well, that means that a TE isn't getting enough receptions and people will scream about Henry or Gesicki being "invisible" and a waste. If the TEs are being super productive, and Stevenson is getting tons of yards in the short passing game, it may mean that Thornton and Parker aren't getting touches, and they're busts. If the vets catch all the passes, then the rookies are doing nothing, and they're considered wasted draft picks. Conversely, if the rookies are doing well, that means fewer passes for the vets to catch.

Let's assume Mac completes 400 passes for 4,500 yards, which is way more realistic than 5,372 yards. How to divide up 400 passes and 4,500 yards?

JuJu - 50 rec, 500 yds
Bourne - 65 rec, 850 yds
Thornton - 20 rec, 250 yds
Parker - 60 rec, 700 yds
Boutte - 35 rec, 350 yds
Douglas - 40 rec, 450 yds
Henry - 40 rec, 500 yds
Gesicki - 40 rec, 500 yds
Stevenson - 30 rec, 250 yds
Montgomery - 20 rec, 150 yds

TOT - 400 rec, 4,500 yds

If we looked at that list, we'd think, JuJu is a bust - a guy meant to be the WR1 (so someone claims), only getting 50 receptions and 500 yards? WTF? Thornton...what a bust of a pick with only 20 receptions and 250 yards. Parker? Ok but mostly meh. Bourne? Ok nice but nothing to write home about. Boutte? Great for a rookie but it's not like he's Jefferson or anything. Same with Douglas. Henry and Gesicki? Ok good production but again, nothing crazy - they've had better years elsewhere. Stevenson? He's only a RB but that's not much of a receiving threat. Montgomery? Why is he even here?

Yet that would be a tremendous passing offense piling up 4,500 yards.
Man, no passing offense in the history of football that racked up 4500 yards has a distribution like that one. Your top 2-3 guys get most of the targets and yards. If Schuster has 50 catches for 500 yards that's a really disappointing season, full stop.
 

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Man, no passing offense in the history of football that racked up 4500 yards has a distribution like that one. Your top 2-3 guys get most of the targets and yards. If Schuster has 50 catches for 500 yards that's a really disappointing season, full stop.
Yeah, and my point is...let's say that JuJu had 90 receptions for 1,100 yards - that's a "normal" year for a WR1. That means that 40 receptions and 600 yards have to be taken from the other guys (assuming a 4,500 yard passing season for Mac). And that would result in a lot of caterwauling about how big of a bust a bunch of other guys on the team are. Like they threw for 316 yards the other day and here was the distribution:

Bourne: 6 for 64
Stevenson: 6 for 64
Elliott: 5 for 14
Henry: 5 for 56
Douglas: 4 for 40
JuJu: 4 for 33
Gesicki: 3 for 36
Montgomery: 2 for 9
Boutte: 0 for 0
Thornton: 0 for 0 (IR)

So if that played out over a full season, here's the #s:

Bourne: 102 for 1,088 - YAY!
Stevenson: 102 for 1,088 - great RB receiving threat but, uh, not really what you want
Elliott: 85 for 238 - why are our RBs catching so many passes??
Henry: 85 for 952 - awesome for a TE!
Douglas: 68 for 680 - super for a rookie!
JuJu: 68 for 561 - ok, but terrible for a WR1
Gesicki: 51 for 612 - not bad but isn't he supposed to be better than that?
Montgomery: 34 for 153 - meh
Boutte: 0 for 0 - what a waste of a pick
Thornton: 0 for 0 - TOTAL BUST

There's just no way to distribute that many completions and yards in such a way that there aren't SOME guys who are going to be seen as busts. It's just not possible. Even in an offense that throws for > 5,300 yards.
 

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Man, no passing offense in the history of football that racked up 4500 yards has a distribution like that one. Your top 2-3 guys get most of the targets and yards. If Schuster has 50 catches for 500 yards that's a really disappointing season, full stop.
I didn't have to search long to find a contrary example, the 2022 Chargers. Herbert racked up over 4700 yards passing. Mike Williams is right in line with the Bourne projection in catches and yards:

Mike Williams 63 rec, 895 yards
Joshua Palmer 72 rec, 769 yards
Keenan Allen 66 rec, 752 yards
Austin Ekeler 107 rec, 722 yards
Gerald Everett 58 rec, 555 yards
DeAndre Carter 46 rec, 538 yards

That said, Williams and Allen were hurt much of the year, so Herbert had to spread it around some more. Maybe Jared Goff is a better citation, with 4,438 yards passing, one guy (The Sun God) over 1K yards, and everyone else 600 or less. I spent 15 minutes looking - I'm sure there are other recent years/examples to compare. I do agree that it's far, far more regular to be in the 5K yards ballpark with a clear top 2-3 receivers, but to say not in history doesn't seem likely.
 

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I said this way back when but I'll reiterate it here. There's only one ball to go around. Mac threw for 316 yards last week. If he threw for 316 every week, that's 5,372 yards, which would be amazing. But how would you divide those up by this list of players, such that there isn't SOMEBODY who looks like a "bust"? (a draft bust, a bad FA signing, a terrible trade, etc.)

JuJu
Bourne
Thornton
Parker
Boutte
Douglas
Henry
Gesicki
Stevenson
Montgomery

If the WRs all do well, that means that a TE isn't getting enough receptions and people will scream about Henry or Gesicki being "invisible" and a waste. If the TEs are being super productive, and Stevenson is getting tons of yards in the short passing game, it may mean that Thornton and Parker aren't getting touches, and they're busts. If the vets catch all the passes, then the rookies are doing nothing, and they're considered wasted draft picks. Conversely, if the rookies are doing well, that means fewer passes for the vets to catch.

Let's assume Mac completes 400 passes for 4,500 yards, which is way more realistic than 5,372 yards. How to divide up 400 passes and 4,500 yards?

JuJu - 50 rec, 500 yds
Bourne - 65 rec, 850 yds
Thornton - 20 rec, 250 yds
Parker - 60 rec, 700 yds
Boutte - 35 rec, 350 yds
Douglas - 40 rec, 450 yds
Henry - 40 rec, 500 yds
Gesicki - 40 rec, 500 yds
Stevenson - 30 rec, 250 yds
Montgomery - 20 rec, 150 yds

TOT - 400 rec, 4,500 yds

If we looked at that list, we'd think, JuJu is a bust - a guy meant to be the WR1 (so someone claims), only getting 50 receptions and 500 yards? WTF? Thornton...what a bust of a pick with only 20 receptions and 250 yards. Parker? Ok but mostly meh. Bourne? Ok nice but nothing to write home about. Boutte? Great for a rookie but it's not like he's Jefferson or anything. Same with Douglas. Henry and Gesicki? Ok good production but again, nothing crazy - they've had better years elsewhere. Stevenson? He's only a RB but that's not much of a receiving threat. Montgomery? Why is he even here?

Yet that would be a tremendous passing offense piling up 4,500 yards.
I don't think anyone would call Montgomery, Douglass, Bourne, or Boutte busts in that case, because the capital invested in them equates to the level of production you are getting. When you spend a second-round pick on a receiver and he puts up 20 catches, that is a poor decision in a number of possible ways. You either a) picked the wrong player at the position, b) could have gotten that production later in the draft (see Boutte/Douglas this year), and c) as a corollary to b, could have beefed up your team elsewhere using that pick while still getting that kind of production later in the draft.

Likewise, under his new deal, JuJu's AAV is 32nd out of all WRs - skewed up because not all of them signed this year, but it is what it is. When you spend to that level, you expect your investment to at least play more than 54% of the snaps. This is not even a production question - it's a "Why are you not on the field" question at the moment. Furthermore, it's complicated by the fact that you could have paid a few million more to get a guy who did play all the snaps, knew your system, had the trust of your QB, and despite not having a cap crunch, you decided to spend less. Those are the issues. JJSS isn't getting WR1 money. But he's getting paid a lot, and if he can't get on the field and produce, then it's a very reasonable question as to why you spent that money, when you had someone you could have fit under the cap who both got on the field and produced in accordance with what he's now getting paid.

As I said earlier - it's Week 1, so maybe this all looks dumb by mid-season. But it's a pretty real question in terms of the decision-making for that contract right now, especially given what Meyers got and the fact that he was a known quantity to the team.
 

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I didn't have to search long to find a contrary example, the 2022 Chargers. Herbert racked up over 4700 yards passing. Mike Williams is right in line with the Bourne projection in catches and yards:

Mike Williams 63 rec, 895 yards
Joshua Palmer 72 rec, 769 yards
Keenan Allen 66 rec, 752 yards
Austin Ekeler 107 rec, 722 yards
Gerald Everett 58 rec, 555 yards
DeAndre Carter 46 rec, 538 yards

That said, Williams and Allen were hurt much of the year, so Herbert had to spread it around some more. Maybe Jared Goff is a better citation, with 4,438 yards passing, one guy (The Sun God) over 1K yards, and everyone else 600 or less. I spent 15 minutes looking - I'm sure there are other recent years/examples to compare. I do agree that it's far, far more regular to be in the 5K yards ballpark with a clear top 2-3 receivers, but to say not in history doesn't seem likely.
His list had 8 guys over 350 yards. Even this Chargers distribution is more concentrated.
 

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The list I’m seeing has JJSS as the 33rd highest paid receiver this year (disclaimer I have no idea how NFL salaries work so if these numbers are wrong feel free to correct me).

The five guys making more than him are MVS, Russell Gage, Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, and Allen Lazard. In 2022, the five of them averaged 45.4 receptions for 635.6 yards.

The five guys making less are Adam Thielen, Zay Jones, Jamarr Chase, Robert Woods, and Cedric Wilson. They averaged 60.8 for 649.6.

So, the ten players making around his salary averaged 53.1 for 642.6 yards. JJSS is on pace after his first game for 68 for 561. He wasn’t signed to be a WR1. He’s being paid to be the 33rd best receiver in the league, and that’s what 33rd best receiver stats look like. I’m way more concerned about his knee, and why he played so little, and if the team actually thinks he sucks, because then his stats could end up way worse than that, but that would be fine production for what he’s being paid.
 

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The list I’m seeing has JJSS as the 33rd highest paid receiver this year (disclaimer I have no idea how NFL salaries work so if these numbers are wrong feel free to correct me).

The five guys making more than him are MVS, Russell Gage, Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, and Allen Lazard. In 2022, the five of them averaged 45.4 receptions for 635.6 yards.

The five guys making less are Adam Thielen, Zay Jones, Jamarr Chase, Robert Woods, and Cedric Wilson. They averaged 60.8 for 649.6.

So, the ten players making around his salary averaged 53.1 for 642.6 yards. JJSS is on pace after his first game for 68 for 561. He wasn’t signed to be a WR1. He’s being paid to be the 33rd best receiver in the league, and that’s what 33rd best receiver stats look like. I’m way more concerned about his knee, and why he played so little, and if the team actually thinks he sucks, because then his stats could end up way worse than that, but that would be fine production for what he’s being paid.
I'd argue it wouldn't be fine production considering they got more than that yearly from Jakobi Meyers and he got signed for similar money.
 

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His list had 8 guys over 350 yards. Even this Chargers distribution is more concentrated.
How about 7 guys over 348 yards, and an 8th in the 300 yards neighborhood? I give you the 2021 Las Vegas Raiders! 4,804 yards from Derek Carr, spread quite nicely amongst a fairly disparate crew:

Hunter Renfrow 103 rec, 1,038 yards
Darren Waller 55 rec, 665 yards
Bryan Edwards 34 rec, 571 yards
Zay Jones 47 rec, 546 yards
Henry Ruggs 24 rec, 469 yards
Foster Moreau 30 rec, 373 yards
Josh Jacobs 54 rec, 348 yards
Kenyan Drake 30 rec, 291 yards

Add in DeSean Jackson at 12/233 for a 9th if you like. It's honestly not that hard to find. Again, I agree that teams are far better off with clear Top Guys, but that team made the playoffs and lost to the Super Bowl-bound Bengals by a touchdown on the road.
 

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One thing about the endless "him or Jakobi" stuff is... we have no idea whether Meyers would have re-signed and probably never will (it's in Jakobi's interest to say he would have).

Of course Jakobi is concussed again and could be out of the league soon which was always a risk to be considered in FA.
 

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How about 7 guys over 348 yards, and an 8th in the 300 yards neighborhood? I give you the 2021 Las Vegas Raiders! 4,804 yards from Derek Carr, spread quite nicely amongst a fairly disparate crew:

Hunter Renfrow 103 rec, 1,038 yards
Darren Waller 55 rec, 665 yards
Bryan Edwards 34 rec, 571 yards
Zay Jones 47 rec, 546 yards
Henry Ruggs 24 rec, 469 yards
Foster Moreau 30 rec, 373 yards
Josh Jacobs 54 rec, 348 yards
Kenyan Drake 30 rec, 291 yards

Add in DeSean Jackson at 12/233 for a 9th if you like. It's honestly not that hard to find. Again, I agree that teams are far better off with clear Top Guys, but that team made the playoffs and lost to the Super Bowl-bound Bengals by a touchdown on the road.
Okay, I'm convinced that was less of an aberration as I previously thought. I stand corrected.
 

Garshaparra

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Okay, I'm convinced that was less of an aberration as I previously thought. I stand corrected.
No worries at all - it was an interesting team stat to examine. Yards are a weird counting stat that rely on a team not turning the ball over or bogging down in the red zone. After week 1, the Pats have good passing yardage, but those week 1 TOs were backbreakers, with and some red zone problems to boot, hence the loss.
 

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How about 7 guys over 348 yards, and an 8th in the 300 yards neighborhood? I give you the 2021 Las Vegas Raiders! 4,804 yards from Derek Carr, spread quite nicely amongst a fairly disparate crew:

Hunter Renfrow 103 rec, 1,038 yards
Darren Waller 55 rec, 665 yards
Bryan Edwards 34 rec, 571 yards
Zay Jones 47 rec, 546 yards
Henry Ruggs 24 rec, 469 yards
Foster Moreau 30 rec, 373 yards
Josh Jacobs 54 rec, 348 yards
Kenyan Drake 30 rec, 291 yards

Add in DeSean Jackson at 12/233 for a 9th if you like. It's honestly not that hard to find. Again, I agree that teams are far better off with clear Top Guys, but that team made the playoffs and lost to the Super Bowl-bound Bengals by a touchdown on the road.

Just for fun, the 2018 Pats:

* Edelman: 74 / 850
* White 87 / 751
* Gordon 40 / 720
* Gronk 47 / 682
* Hogan 35 / 532
* Dorsett 32 / 290
* Pattersoni 21 / 247

(the flip side would be 2011, when Welker, Gronk, and Sweetleaf combined for 291 / 3806 (or add in Branch for 342 / 4506)