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Quatchie

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Prices are too steep on FA SP, moves are going to come via trade. Not sure this winter is going to be as transformational as some had hoped I guess.
 

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OMFG phenomenal reference! I was an arrested development 13 year old watching that show after school. CH 56? I can’t recall. Bonus points if you remember that!
I thought it was channel 25! for some reason I keep thinking all the Americanized Japanese shows were on 25.
 

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Yes. But this is what it's going to take to sign him. Pretty much all long-term deals suck, I mean this is practically a given at this point--aside from Manny's deal, though I guess you could argue his last year was a bit of a headache, though his production never dipper. However, none of these deals have ever really hamstrung a franchise.

Yamamoto and his Wave Motion Gun of an arm is going to help the Red Sox this year and probably for the next three-to-seven years. That's a huge win for Boston. Worry about years eight through twelve in the 2030s.



Then you are against signing big ticket free agents. Hard stop. Which is fine. But a guy like Yamamoto doesn't come around every offseason. If the only thing that he costs is money (and FSG has BILLIONS, so don't worry too much about where they're going to get their next meals), you find a dump truck, fill it with dollars and park it in front of his house and beg him to play for you.

This is as big of a no brainer as there is.
Another Star Blazers fan. Best theme song of my youth! And Nova was second to Daphne from Scooby-Doo on my "hot cartoon chicks" list when I was 8.
 

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Anyone remember minor '80s local radio celebrity / bar trivia host Morgan White Jr? IIRC, he was font of Star Blazers trivia.
Morgan did a trivia night at the Chili's in Everett for years as well as Jacob Wirth's before it closed. I believe he's the overnight DJ on WBZ now. Awesome guy, and he took it well on the rare occasions when we called him out on a wrong answer.
 

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Morgan did a trivia night at the Chili's in Everett for years as well as Jacob Wirth's before it closed. I believe he's the overnight DJ on WBZ now. Awesome guy, and he took it well on the rare occasions when we called him out on a wrong answer.
Morgan was at Coolidge Corner Clubhouse thru the 80s and 90s and into the 00s, and we were regulars there and became good friends. I guested on his VERY late night trivia show a few times. Watched Game 3 of the 2013 ALCS playoffs with him at the “Met Bar” in Legacy Place in Dedham.
 

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Jon Heyman: "Lose Remerswaal has emerged as a mystery contestant on Dedham trivia night at the Legacy Place. Details to follow."

Is that better?
 

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He’s slotted in as the fourth starter at moment, unfortunately (no offense, Lose)
 

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Another Star Blazers fan. Best theme song of my youth! And Nova was second to Daphne from Scooby-Doo on my "hot cartoon chicks" list when I was 8.
Sources are saying there was reboot of the series a few years ago, going by the original Japanese title 'Space Battleship Yamato' and it is amazingly good. But insiders have told me that it didn't get a release over here, so you have to pirate it. As certain sources have.
 

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Sources are saying there was reboot of the series a few years ago, going by the original Japanese title 'Space Battleship Yamato' and it is amazingly good. But insiders have told me that it didn't get a release over here, so you have to pirate it. As certain sources have.
It (at least the first two seasons) can be purchased on Amazon Prime (I have).
 

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Sources are saying there was reboot of the series a few years ago, going by the original Japanese title 'Space Battleship Yamato' and it is amazingly good. But insiders have told me that it didn't get a release over here, so you have to pirate it. As certain sources have.
What are sources saying about Space Battleship Yamamoto?
 

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What are sources saying about Space Battleship Yamamoto?
That that was what he thought was the ship's actual name far longer than he should have.
And that the Sox offer to the pitcher should be 'two million more than the next highest bid, whatever it is'.
 

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I’m sure this has been discussed before but I can’t understand why anyone
would think that Ohtani makes any sense for a team that is more than one
player away from being a realistic contender. I would understand if you
believe that Henry is not concerned with $$$ ala the Mets but he has shown
no indication that is the case. He And Trout did not do it for the Angels and
wont do it for us either.As others have pointed out there’s much better ways
to spend what ever money that will be available
 

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Not pointed at you JM3, but based on what? I realize that this is a far cry from actual journalism, but what ever happened to who, what where, when and why?
I assume based on what he is hearing from sources. But I put ... after because I don't think it's particularly reliable & don't think we have more than like a 2% chance.

But yeah, it's just a throwaway response to a Tweet & definitely not actual journalism.
 

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Not pointed at you JM3, but based on what? I realize that this is a far cry from actual journalism, but what ever happened to who, what where, when and why?
I'm sure the journalists will tell you those questions are for the articles not tweet responses to direct questions, but you're right, "journalism" has taken a real nosedive with its over-reliance on social media to be FIRST on everything instead of accurate on everything.

I'm assuming the list is based on something someone near/in the Ohtani camp told him. Because if we're to believe that Ohtani told teams not to leak anything or he'd take them off his list, then his people have to be the source. Not to mention they're the only ones who benefit from that kind of a list anyway. Either that, or this guy did a whole lot of tough legwork to compile his list coming from the other direction (or he's just guessing).
 

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I assume based on what he is hearing from sources. But I put ... after because I don't think it's particularly reliable & don't think we have more than like a 2% chance.

But yeah, it's just a throwaway response to a Tweet & definitely not actual journalism.
Boston will "reportedly" be "in on" just about every big name FA or available pitcher. They will gratuitously be lumped in with other teams because of the following. A) three last place AL East finishes in four years coming off the heels of 4 WS Championships in seasons B) a new CBO/PBO who is in charge of facilitating this turn around C) Boston is a big market team that had traditionally been one of the top payrolls in the league who have more room than they have had in recent years that will allow them to spend up to and perhaps a bit over the LT.
 

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I stand by my belief that the “Ohtani to Boston???” stuff is, if not orchestrated by the Sox FO, then at least not-so-tacitly encouraged by them as a way to reel the fans back in after the last two seasons. I don’t think that the Dodgers or those other teams are reading these drive-by tweets and thinking “Oh, shit, the *Red Sox* are in on him, too???” As R(S)HF says, they’re really the only ones potentially benefiting from the perception of being on his list - actually strike that, the Giants probably are, also.
 

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I stand by my belief that the “Ohtani to Boston???” stuff is, if not orchestrated by the Sox FO, then at least not-so-tacitly encouraged by them as a way to reel the fans back in after the last two seasons. I don’t think that the Dodgers or those other teams are reading these drive-by tweets and thinking “Oh, shit, the *Red Sox* are in on him, too???” As R(S)HF says, they’re really the only ones potentially benefiting from the perception of being on his list - actually strike that, the Giants probably are, also.
I also think it’s simple dollars and sense. This franchise can’t sign both Ohtani and Yamamoto without departing from its general operating model. They appear to be heavily interested in Yamamoto so I can’t imagine there’s much interest in Ohtani due to simple money considerations. And he’ll probably decide before Yamamoto.

But, to your point, they do need the appearance of being active for both given the reality that they’re probably unlikely to land either due to simple odds.
 

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I stand by my belief that the “Ohtani to Boston???” stuff is, if not orchestrated by the Sox FO, then at least not-so-tacitly encouraged by them as a way to reel the fans back in after the last two seasons. I don’t think that the Dodgers or those other teams are reading these drive-by tweets and thinking “Oh, shit, the *Red Sox* are in on him, too???” As R(S)HF says, they’re really the only ones potentially benefiting from the perception of being on his list - actually strike that, the Giants probably are, also.
I understood this perspective, particularly given the guidance from his agent about the first rule of fight club, but I’m not fully following the 3D chess.

Any faux ‘signaling’ could backfire unless you actually end up with one of the big $ pitchers or you just look like the interest kings…and if you’re signing a big $ pitcher then why bother signaling. Is the signaling maybe specifically for that prospective FA pitching?
 

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I'm sure the journalists will tell you those questions are for the articles not tweet responses to direct questions, but you're right, "journalism" has taken a real nosedive with its over-reliance on social media to be FIRST on everything instead of accurate on everything.

I'm assuming the list is based on something someone near/in the Ohtani camp told him. Because if we're to believe that Ohtani told teams not to leak anything or he'd take them off his list, then his people have to be the source. Not to mention they're the only ones who benefit from that kind of a list anyway. Either that, or this guy did a whole lot of tough legwork to compile his list coming from the other direction (or he's just guessing).
If you included the threaded tweet, it can just be him giving his opinion answering a question. It’s a very short, self published op-ed, not journalism.
 

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The Sox need a star. Not just for PR reasons, but because consolidating a high WAR player into one roster spot makes a lot of sense alongside the wave of prospects settling in.

It so happens that the mythology around Ohtani (the second coming of Babe Ruth) and Soto (the second coming of Ted Williams, and who lives in the same building as David Ortiz) both fit extremely well within Sox lore. Is it possible that they’d mean more in marketing opportunities to the Red Sox than other teams?

Not the basis for sophisticated team-building decisions (and Ohtani and Soto aren’t the only options), but I should hope that they recognize the opportunity to institute a culture change after they they took radical steps in that direction two and a half months ago.
 
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Soto (the second coming of Ted Williams, who lives in the same building as David Ortiz) both fit extremely well within Sox lore.
While I'd like to know how I missed Soto's .400 campaign and his triple crown year, I'm more curious about whether Ted Williams a good neighbor.
 

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I stand by my belief that the “Ohtani to Boston???” stuff is, if not orchestrated by the Sox FO, then at least not-so-tacitly encouraged by them as a way to reel the fans back in after the last two seasons. I don’t think that the Dodgers or those other teams are reading these drive-by tweets and thinking “Oh, shit, the *Red Sox* are in on him, too???” As R(S)HF says, they’re really the only ones potentially benefiting from the perception of being on his list - actually strike that, the Giants probably are, also.
Um. I did not say anywhere that the Sox are benefiting from being on the list (or any team). My point was that Ohtani is the only party that benefits from the list of front-runners being out there. Even if the front offices aren't reading such things and panicking, their fan bases are and that could have an impact. Any little bit of leverage helps make Ohtani more money.

I don't see there being any benefit for the Red Sox to drive a narrative of being in on Ohtani. If they're trying to reel in fans after the last two seasons, I really don't think raising fans hopes/expectations before any real actions have been taken is the way to do it. If I understand part of the ire of the fans and outrage-media the last couple years, it's that the team hasn't made a big enough effort/splash in player acquisition. I can't see how leading fans to think Ohtani's a possibility when in reality it's a long-shot is anything but a recipe for frustration and disappointment.

The only thing that's going to reel fans back in is actually signing one of these top shelf free agents, not being "in" on them.
 
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