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Jed Zeppelin

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It's gotta feel good having your Gumby draft pick injured trying to big-time LeBron James at the rim in a pro-am game.
 

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It's gotta feel good having your Gumby draft pick injured trying to big-time LeBron James at the rim in a pro-am game.
Yeah, I’m sure it was only a matter of time with Chet and he probably would have suffered the same injury cooking pasta or something but that stings. Completely meaningless game and now he’s probably headed for a redshirt year.
 

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He should use the entire year focusing on working out and eating tons of good calories. Unfortunately, he'll have to skip leg day for a while.
 

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Damn. Is foot ligament damage necessarily a lost year, though? Couldn't it just be a bad sprain, 6-8 weeks or whatever? Paging Rad Sox Fan...
 

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Damn. Is foot ligament damage necessarily a lost year, though? Couldn't it just be a bad sprain, 6-8 weeks or whatever? Paging Rad Sox Fan...
Might not be but I’m also anticipating him spraining his meniscus while brushing his teeth at some point.
 

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He should use the entire year focusing on working out and eating tons of good calories. Unfortunately, he'll have to skip leg day for a while.
This injury looks like it had zero to do with him being skinny as shit and more of a thing that could happen to any basketball player at any time.
 

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They had to stop the game at halftime because the humid playing conditions were dangerous. Not the best look for Jamal Crawford.
 

Smokey Joe

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Not enough information. All sprains are ligament “damage”. When you tear a ligament then you start climbing the ladder to grade 2 and grade 3 sprains, but the foot is home of the Lisfranc injury that can mess you up permanently. (That usually only happens with dumbass teenagers that don’t listen to their physical therapists) How old is this guy again?
 

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Not enough information. All sprains are ligament “damage”. When you tear a ligament then you start climbing the ladder to grade 2 and grade 3 sprains, but the foot is home of the Lisfranc injury that can mess you up permanently. (That usually only happens with dumbass teenagers that don’t listen to their physical therapists) How old is this guy again?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe athletes are much more likely to fully recover from Lisfranc injuries now than they were, say, 15 years ago.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe athletes are much more likely to fully recover from Lisfranc injuries now than they were, say, 15 years ago.
Oh heck yeah. But there is recover and elite athlete recover. Elite athletes are more likely to recover fully and quickly because they are in better shape, more motivated and receive more attention, but then NBA is littered with athletes that went from outstanding to “OK” because of injury.
But we are way ahead of ourselves. We don’t know what the injury is yet.
 

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This injury looks like it had zero to do with him being skinny as shit and more of a thing that could happen to any basketball player at any time.
The skinnier you are, the weaker all of your body parts are going to be. Maybe it would have happened anyways, even if he was normal athletic-bodied. Or maybe his ligaments would have been able to absorb the abuse better, like the time when it looked like Smart pulled a Heywood this past playoffs and then was back on the court a few minutes later, or when Giannis hyperextended his knee and then somehow won Finals MVP. We'll never know. I just know I wouldn't be betting my Top 3 draft pick on him if I were a GM. Of course, I'm usually wrong, so he'll probably be a HOFer.
 

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The skinnier you are, the weaker all of your body parts are going to be. Maybe it would have happened anyways, even if he was normal athletic-bodied. Or maybe his ligaments would have been able to absorb the abuse better, like the time when it looked like Smart pulled a Heywood this past playoffs and then was back on the court a few minutes later, or when Giannis hyperextended his knee and then somehow won Finals MVP. We'll never know. I just know I wouldn't be betting my Top 3 draft pick on him if I were a GM. Of course, I'm usually wrong, so he'll probably be a HOFer.
Didn't Holmgren have a good reputation for durability through high school and at Gonzaga? I think I'd hold off on the hand wringing for now.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe athletes are much more likely to fully recover from Lisfranc injuries now than they were, say, 15 years ago.
Is this true or are you thinking of Achilles surgery? Aside from Julio Jones I can’t recall any athlete successfully recovering from a Lisfranc.
 

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Believe Ted Ginn was a relative lisfranc success story. Played a long career after having a lisfranc sprain in college, I believe.
 

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radsoxfan

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Damn. Is foot ligament damage necessarily a lost year, though? Couldn't it just be a bad sprain, 6-8 weeks or whatever? Paging Rad Sox Fan...
Lots of ligaments in the foot but the only one that would knock him out for anything close to the year would be a high grade Lisfranc injury.

That’s obviously the one that people get worried about when they hear ”foot sprain” and “seeing specialists”.

We’ll just have to wait til we get more info for now.
 

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Ha, Westbrook and PB on the same team.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1562641189274152965

The Los Angeles Lakers are in advanced talks on a trade to acquire Utah Jazz guard Patrick Beverley for Talen Horton-Tucker and Stanley Johnson, sources tell ESPN. Deal could be finalized as soon as Thursday.
Pretty good deal for LA, but then I think very, very little of THT (who doesn't like 6'4 guards who can't shoot or pass).
 

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Russ has to be gone. No way those two are on the roster together.

Im expecting a Russ trade soon
 

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Interesting trade. Does THT have any value? I presume Danny thinks he does or he can flip him somewhere? Not sure I see it. I'd much rather have Beverly for 2022-2023 (not that the Jazz care about that).

I get the idea that this makes a RWB trade more likely, but it seems to me the Lakers have been desperate to trade him all summer. Not sure what changes much there, no one wants him and he makes too much money. If there was a half decent trade they would have already made it.

Maybe now they will just buy him out?
 

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There have been rumors of Myles Turner/Buddy Hield for Westbrook and the 27 and 29 first picks, then those two, Davis, LeBron and Beverley are the starting five.
 

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Beverly stinks and it will be funny to see him bringing all his shit to the Lakers. Just a match made in heaven if you enjoy watching that ship sink.
 

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Beverly stinks and it will be funny to see him bringing all his shit to the Lakers. Just a match made in heaven if you enjoy watching that ship sink.
I think he’s still pretty good, but that’s a lot of baggage for a team that is carrying a full load to begin with.
 

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There have been rumors of Myles Turner/Buddy Hield for Westbrook and the 27 and 29 first picks, then those two, Davis, LeBron and Beverley are the starting five.
It makes sense that this would be the next shoe to drop.

Pelinka keeping THT over Caruso last off-season was dumb at the time and looks even dumber now.
 

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Is this true or are you thinking of Achilles surgery? Aside from Julio Jones I can’t recall any athlete successfully recovering from a Lisfranc.
Le'Veon Bell had a Lisfranc injury his rookie year (no surgery), Dwight Freeney had a Lisfranc injury and returned without issue, Tayson Hill had one in college, Ryan Khalil returned from one fine.

NBA.. who knows, usually foot injuries in the NBA are fractures. Only guy I can find who had one is Korkmaz... he came back to be the same (not very good) player he was before.
 

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Le'Veon Bell had a Lisfranc injury his rookie year (no surgery), Dwight Freeney had a Lisfranc injury and returned without issue, Tayson Hill had one in college, Ryan Khalil returned from one fine.

NBA.. who knows, usually foot injuries in the NBA are fractures. Only guy I can find who had one is Korkmaz... he came back to be the same (not very good) player he was before.
And, to be fair, in baseball we have Allen Craig, who never did recover, his career ending after putting up an OPS+ of 21 in 2 abbreviated seasons with the Red Sox. But it's impossible to extrapolate from a single data point, and he could be an outlier on the downside given the advances in modern orthopedic practices.
 

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And, to be fair, in baseball we have Allen Craig, who never did recover, his career ending after putting up an OPS+ of 21 in 2 abbreviated seasons with the Red Sox. But it's impossible to extrapolate from a single data point, and he could be an outlier on the downside given the advances in modern orthopedic practices.
Lisfranc appears to be a bit of a crapshoot, most guys return so it isn't career ending, but some definitely decline. I think it's basically like an ACL tear now, some guys get all the way back, some don't, and part of it likely comes down to severity of the injury (like in the case of the ACL if there is other damage), the individual's talent, age, etc. But I'd probably still rather a guy get a Lisfranc than an Achilles, even if that is turning around too.
 

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Lisfranc appears to be a bit of a crapshoot, most guys return so it isn't career ending, but some definitely decline. I think it's basically like an ACL tear now, some guys get all the way back, some don't, and part of it likely comes down to severity of the injury (like in the case of the ACL if there is other damage), the individual's talent, age, etc. But I'd probably still rather a guy get a Lisfranc than an Achilles, even if that is turning around too.
I also imagine that a LisFranc could be much more serious for a 7-foot basketball player. Yao Ming's career got derailed with foot injuries, as did Greg Oden's; neither was LisFranc IIRC, but still any serious foot injury can be devastating in the NBA.

IIRC, Gen LisFranc had to have his foot amputated, so there's that.
 

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Can't see that ending well. Basically done before he played a game.
meh, EMbiid, Blake, Simmons, bunch of really successful guys missed their whole rookie year with injuries.

I also imagine that a LisFranc could also be much more serious for a 7-foot basketball player. Yao Ming's career got derailed with foot injuries, as did Greg Oden's; neither was LisFranc IIRC, but still any serious foot injury can be devastating in the NBA.
Hard to say, in football it actually looks like the success rate for the bigger guys is better than the quick guys. Big guys with fracture based injuries have trouble because the bone is weaker and they break it again and again. Though also, Chet is probably more like Durant (7' 200") than those 265- 310lb guys you mentioned. Lisfranc isn't a common NBA injury, which makes me wonder if that means the stresses an NBA game usually puts on the foot aren't the type that make Lisfranc an issue, and as such this is a freak thing and re-injury is less likely (though also, can't remember anyone having multiple Lisfranc injuries anyway in NFL either).
 

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Lots of ligaments in the foot but the only one that would knock him out for anything close to the year would be a high grade Lisfranc injury.

That’s obviously the one that people get worried about when they hear ”foot sprain” and “seeing specialists”.

We’ll just have to wait til we get more info for now.
And with more info…. Adios Chet.

A red shirt year to get his body right might actually be best long term for him.
 

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Pretty good deal for LA, but then I think very, very little of THT (who doesn't like 6'4 guards who can't shoot or pass).
A little surprised, I thought they would offer up the two firsts (which Danny should covet) and Westbrook for a bigger package to really rebuild their line up. Something like Pat Bev, Beasley and Vanderbilt. Though I guess Danny needs to wait for Mitchell to be done before the complete tear down.
 

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To add something medical, the risk with untreated/poorly treated Lisfranc injuries is midfoot instability with potentially arthritis and chronic pain down the road.

This doesn’t sound like some major fracture/dislocation situation, more likely a torn ligament that needs repair. I would be surprised if there were major long term issues from this particular injury.
 

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meh, EMbiid, Blake, Simmons, bunch of really successful guys missed their whole rookie year with injuries.
With Lisfranc? I dunno, is it less of a death sentence than it is in other sports, particularly baseball? For a guy that tall with foot injuries, GL having a real career.
 

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I also imagine that a LisFranc could be much more serious for a 7-foot basketball player. Yao Ming's career got derailed with foot injuries, as did Greg Oden's; neither was LisFranc IIRC, but still any serious foot injury can be devastating in the NBA.

IIRC, Gen LisFranc had to have his foot amputated, so there's that.
Query whether Holgrem's frame actually helps him. I was always under the impression that the issue with 7-footers and foot injuries, was not the height per se, but the weight that typically comes along with that height.

FWIW, as I recall Oden had knee, not foot, issues.
 
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