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The deadline they were put on themselves was free agency. Chiarelli's master plan was to move Seguin so they could re-sign Horton. Horton told them he wasn't signing and then they made the decision Seguin still had to go. They cleared like $2.3 off the cap and used it to sign Iginla.
All because Seguin liked to drink some beer and meet up with some ladies, right? That used to be mandatory behavior.
 

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Also, since it'll come up, I believe Chiarelli was on the phone with either NYR or Ottawa in that stupid segment. They were the only teams without a first round pick headed into draft day that year. Anaheim too but they traded theirs for Kesler on draft day. Could've been them too, it's unclear on exactly when that phone call happened.

I still can't believe the Bruins made a fucking video out of that disaster.
 

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All because Seguin liked to drink some beer and meet up with some ladies, right? That used to be mandatory behavior.
I disagree with the trade wholeheartedly but Seguin cost them a Cup that year. An all time postseason flop from a supposed “superstar”. The fact that this goes unacknowledged blows my mind. 1G in 22 games.
 

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For the Bergeron perspective, I'd point out Sinden, for all of his later faults, had the guts to trade Esposito, and (akin to potential Bergeron trade), an aging Hodge for Ricky Middleton.

Fiddling around the third liners is not going to do it. You need to guess right on a high draft pick from 2019 and gain about a decade in service. It may be that Bergeron has the best value at the trade deadline, when Hall fetches a #2, where you swap Bergeron for an undervalued recent first round pick of a team going for it all.

It sucks, as the fans here have said, but it's got to be done.

edit: But as everyone has noted, having the guts to make a move is one thing. Having brains is quite another, as Donnie showed in 2015.
Are you assuming they are out of playoff contention? Because there is seemingly no way in hell they are trading their captain for a lottery ticket and punting on making the playoffs. If Rask, Krejci, and Hall all sign elsewhere and they don’t spend anything on FA replacements being well out of contention is a possibility. Otherwise, you can expect them to be in the thick of it.

if you want a tear down and rebuild look at Detroit to see how well that can go.
 

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Wow. This thread.

I leave you all alone because I think you're all grown up, but then I come home and you've taken the liquor from the liquor cabinet and puked on your mother's favorite oriental rug.

Trade Bergeron? Trade Pasta? Wtf am I reading here. This is after I waded into the cesspool that is the Rask thread (the most successful goalie in Bruins history deserves better).

Isn't what happened exactly what we kind of expected to happen? They didn't have the depth when it mattered and the sugarcoating Hall trade ran out of magic. They got healthy, played well, then came up short.

The answer isn't too trade your captain and superstar forward. They have plenty of cap space to add stuff around these guys. Continue to build around Pasta, Marchand, and McAvoy.

Whether Sweeney is the right guy to do it is a totally legit question though.
 

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Aside from the front office discussion up thread about Seguin. Before the trade. I remember there was chatter about Seguin and another player's wife or girlfriend. The leadership group in the dressing room was none too pleased. That group relayed their concerns to the front office.
 

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Aside from the front office discussion up thread about Seguin. Before the trade. I remember there was chatter about Seguin and another player's wife or girlfriend. The leadership group in the dressing room was none too pleased. That group relayed their concerns to the front office.
Don’t believe everything you hear.
 

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Aside from the front office discussion up thread about Seguin. Before the trade. I remember there was chatter about Seguin and another player's wife or girlfriend. The leadership group in the dressing room was none too pleased. That group relayed their concerns to the front office.
Friend of a friend told me Horton paid Seguin to be the bull, then the NHLPA stepped in since that was cap circumvention.

Pretty good source but take it with a grain of salt!
 

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Aside from the front office discussion up thread about Seguin. Before the trade. I remember there was chatter about Seguin and another player's wife or girlfriend. The leadership group in the dressing room was none too pleased. That group relayed their concerns to the front office.
Rumor at the time was that Seguin was shagging Horton's wife. One of the reasons Horton went to Columbus was to get away from being the athlete center of attention, from more rumors.

Interestingly, on the night that Peverly had his cardiac incident in Dallas, Horton was there with Columbus (and Thomas was in net for Dallas). As they were attending to Peverly Horton came over to Seguin to get the news on what was going on. That must've been awkward.
 

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Fun fact- Horton got credited for a goal in a game he never really played in. He scored early in the Peverley game and it was 1-0 Jackets when the incident happened. When they made the game up, the NHL being the NHL, decided to play a full 60 minutes with the Jackets starting off with a 1-0 lead. Horton was injured by then and unable to play. So he scored a goal in a game he didn't play in.

Also the Seguin/Horton's wife thing is what I had heard through the grape vine as well.
 

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For the Bergeron perspective, I'd point out Sinden, for all of his later faults, had the guts to trade Esposito, and (akin to potential Bergeron trade), an aging Hodge for Ricky Middleton.

Fiddling around the third liners is not going to do it. You need to guess right on a high draft pick from 2019 and gain about a decade in service. It may be that Bergeron has the best value at the trade deadline, when Hall fetches a #2, where you swap Bergeron for an undervalued recent first round pick of a team going for it all.

It sucks, as the fans here have said, but it's got to be done.

edit: But as everyone has noted, having the guts to make a move is one thing. Having brains is quite another, as Donnie showed in 2015.
Does Bergeron still live in Quebec?

Espo hadn’t played his whole career in Boston. And he didn’t have a NMC.
 
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Jarome Iginla, an Alberta native, captain of the team, and 16 year vet:
Iginla's 16-year career in Calgary ended when he was sent to the Penguins in exchange for Pittsburgh's first round selection at the 2013 NHL Entry Draft and college prospects Kenny Agostino and Ben Hanowski
Ray Bourque, also sought a trade to a contender and was traded for a 1st rounder.

Espo hadn't spent his whole career in Boston, but won 2 Stanley Cups for them and set NHL records in goals and was revered here: "Jesus saves, but Esposito puts in the rebound."

It's the sort of trade you need to make when you are in a rebuild.

As I noted, Bergeron has a 3 team list, and if you go to him, and let him choose (and possibly expand the list), he could be the sort of piece a leadershipless team like Toronto might over pay for to get his intangibles.
 

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Jarome Iginla, an Alberta native, captain of the team, and 16 year vet:


Ray Bourque, also sought a trade to a contender.

Espo hadn't spent his whole career in Boston, but won 2 Stanley Cups for them and set NHL records in goals and was revered here: "Jesus saves, but Esposito puts in the rebound."

It's the sort of trade you need to make when you are in a rebuild.
If Bergeron wanted out (like Iginla did). Then sure, that’s getting some value back. Unless Bergeron asks out, if they traded him for a late 1st and two guys destined for the AHL I would want management replaced immediately.
 

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Calgary got shit in return (1st 28 overall, Morgan Klimchuk, Kenny Agostino, Ben Hanowski). A Bergeron trade isn't going to be trans formative for the organization,. They'll probably get a few lottery tickets at best.

I mean, the current Bruins aren't comparable to the 2013 Flames or the Bruins team that traded Ray. Those were disasters with no light at the end of the tunnel. Both players asked out. I get the Bruins long-term prognosis doesn't look good, but they're still a good team in the short term. If the bottom falls out next year they can have this conversation at the deadline.
 

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Decent chance that in whatever years he has remaining, Bergeron still provides more value to the Bruins than whatever combination of pieces you could get in return. Especially if you are of the opinion that Sweeney is generally a shit drafter. If there is a KG/Pierce to the Nets trade on the table then sure, you think about it.
 

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Jarome Iginla, an Alberta native, captain of the team, and 16 year vet:


Ray Bourque, also sought a trade to a contender and was traded for a 1st rounder.

Espo hadn't spent his whole career in Boston, but won 2 Stanley Cups for them and set NHL records in goals and was revered here: "Jesus saves, but Esposito puts in the rebound."

It's the sort of trade you need to make when you are in a rebuild.

As I noted, Bergeron has a 3 team list, and if you go to him, and let him choose (and possibly expand the list), he could be the sort of piece a leadershipless team like Toronto might over pay for to get his intangibles.
Ray Bourque wanted a chance to have his name on the Cup. They were years away from contention and almost no chance they'd be competitive by the time he was going to be retired. They got a 1st from a team at the deadline that was on the cusp and needed someone like Bourque to push them over the top. They could certainly get a very low 1st round pick for Bergy at the deadline, but again that means the Bruins are well out of contention for a spot. Bergeron has a Cup and the Bruins are competitive. He isn't likely to go to management and ask out like Bourque did. They need to make some changes, but it is nowhere near as dire a situation as what Bourque was facing. Same with Iginla.
 

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Jarome Iginla, an Alberta native, captain of the team, and 16 year vet:


Ray Bourque, also sought a trade to a contender and was traded for a 1st rounder.

Espo hadn't spent his whole career in Boston, but won 2 Stanley Cups for them and set NHL records in goals and was revered here: "Jesus saves, but Esposito puts in the rebound."

It's the sort of trade you need to make when you are in a rebuild.

As I noted, Bergeron has a 3 team list, and if you go to him, and let him choose (and possibly expand the list), he could be the sort of piece a leadershipless team like Toronto might over pay for to get his intangibles.
Just stop
 

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Wow. At least other posters responded by expressing their preference for holding on to him, even if that would not foster the rebuild. Sorry to offend your sensibilities by discussing options for the offseason, such as whether a 35 year old will be valuable during a rebuild. To keep it a safe space for you, I'll stick to mainstream non-challenging questions, like replacing Karson Kuhlmann.
 

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Wow. Sorry to offend your sensibilities by discussing options for the offseason, such as whether a 35 year old will be valuable during a rebuild. I'll stick to mainstream non-challenging questions. What fourth liner do you think we should get in place of Kuhlman? (sorry to suggest Boston's future might be better to move on from Karson also).
Just stop
 

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Wow. At least other posters responded by expressing their preference for holding on to him, even if that would not foster the rebuild. Sorry to offend your sensibilities by discussing options for the offseason, such as whether a 35 year old will be valuable during a rebuild. To keep it a safe space for you, I'll stick to mainstream non-challenging questions, like replacing Karson Kuhlmann.
Sounds like I offended your sensibilities.

Sure let's trade Bergeron, the guy is terrible.
 

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Jarome Iginla, an Alberta native, captain of the team, and 16 year vet:


Ray Bourque, also sought a trade to a contender and was traded for a 1st rounder.

Espo hadn't spent his whole career in Boston, but won 2 Stanley Cups for them and set NHL records in goals and was revered here: "Jesus saves, but Esposito puts in the rebound."

It's the sort of trade you need to make when you are in a rebuild.

As I noted, Bergeron has a 3 team list, and if you go to him, and let him choose (and possibly expand the list), he could be the sort of piece a leadershipless team like Toronto might over pay for to get his intangibles.
Neither Bourque nor Iginla had won a Cup. They asked out specifically for that chance.

Is there any indication that Bergeron is asking out like that?

Edit: Never mind. We can just stop. :)