NY Trades for Andrew McCutchen

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Damn, I always like McCutchen. I don't like another likable guy on the Yankees. :)
 

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Avelino, 23 year old 2B/SS - in AA he put up a 945 OPS in 211 plate appearances. Promoted to AAA and only put up a 663 OPS in 290 plate appearances.

Still young though
 

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so is the take away Judge is spending the summer in the Hamptons?
No, the takeaway is that Shane Robinson and Brett Gardner aren't quite doing the job. Hicks and Stanton are doing just fine. Still very surprised this move was not Curtis Granderson.
 

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As discussed, one of the prospects is Abiatal Avelino who I liked, good news for Thairo Estrada (who has barely played this year after being in shot in the thigh in a robbery attempt this winter, but who is already on the 40 man and was just announced as one of NY's AFL entrants). The second prospect hasn't been announced yet.
 

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The money is interesting too, I wouldn't be surprised if SF eats a little of the remaining $2.5M just because NY is really close to the $197M number with this addition. No one seems to know the precise numbers definitively, but here is where RAB has NY currently:

"As for the luxury tax plan, McCutchen is owed about $2.5M the rest of the season — apparently the Pirates are paying some of his salary this year, which reduces his luxury tax hit — and Ken Rosenthal says the Yankees can absorb the full $2.5M and stay under the $197M threshold. My last estimate had the Yankees at $3.3M in available payroll space. We’ll see if the Giants eat money. I’d bet the farm against the Yankees going over the threshold."

http://riveraveblues.com/2018/08/yankees-reportedly-trying-finish-trade-andrew-mccutchen-177565/
 

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No, the takeaway is that Shane Robinson and Brett Gardner aren't quite doing the job. Hicks and Stanton are doing just fine. Still very surprised this move was not Curtis Granderson.

I'm guessing they went with Cutch due to younger legs. With Stanton's hamstring, it's probably just as important as his bat
 

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Man, the whole trade-deadline thing is a real farce these days, isn't it? Used to be that the only players traded in August were those who weren't worth their contracts (and thus might be waived). Now All-Stars are moving. Maybe I just don't understand what's changed.
 

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I don;t like it when the MFy's get stronger. This seems like a steal for them.

Surprised the A's didn't get him instead (well, ignoring the purse). They need an upgrade at LF/CF.
 

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Man, the whole trade-deadline thing is a real farce these days, isn't it? Used to be that the only players traded in August were those who weren't worth their contracts (and thus might be waived). Now All-Stars are moving. Maybe I just don't understand what's changed.
Do you know the date of the Punto deal? :)
 

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yeah but Adrian Gonzalez had 3 albatrosses tied around his neck on the way out the door. Here, McCutchen is moving basically for free (yes SF has compensation, but the distinction between pre-7/31 and August trades seems... faint). I just feel like that's a move that we wouldn't have seen 10 years ago, and that something has changed in the interim with waiver-trade-period rules, but I just didn't pick up on it.
 

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yeah but Adrian Gonzalez had 3 albatrosses tied around his neck on the way out the door. Here, McCutchen is moving basically for free (yes SF has compensation, but the distinction between pre-7/31 and August trades seems... faint). I just feel like that's a move that we wouldn't have seen 10 years ago, and that something has changed in the interim with waiver-trade-period rules, but I just didn't pick up on it.
Let's see who the second prospect is, McCutchen isn't a MVP candidate anymore and will be a FA in a month and Avelino isn't nothing, he is a 23 year old solid defensive SS who has 15 HR and 25 SBs between AA and AAA this year.
 

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It is like the ghost of GSB is running the team.
I think it's the opposite of that, Judge got hurt on August 1 and they've been playing freaking Shane Robinson for four weeks in a pennant race. Steinbrenner would have made his GM trade for Granderson or someone else with big name recognition that night, whatever the cost.
 

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Not sure where I should put this, but with McCutchen's addition and Sanchez back Saturday and Didi close behind, hopefully NY can use a lineup like this on their West Coast trip starting Monday:

Hicks CF
Stanton LF
Gregorius SS
Andujar DH
Sanchez C
McCutchen RF
Gleyber 2B
Voit 1B (.983 OPS for NY so far, ride the hot hand)
Walker 3B

That leaves out Bird and Gardner.

If/when Judge is back, I guess put Andujar back at 3B and Judge at DH (he is better defensively than McCutchen but probably makes sense to let him mostly DH for the rest of the season if possible).
 

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Man, the whole trade-deadline thing is a real farce these days, isn't it? Used to be that the only players traded in August were those who weren't worth their contracts (and thus might be waived). Now All-Stars are moving. Maybe I just don't understand what's changed.
I think the inflection point was when the White Sox filed a waiver claim for Alex Rios in 2009, and the Jays stepped back and said “he’s yours.” That move didn’t work out terribly for the Chisox — Rios sucked down the stretch in 2009, but he gave them a couple good seasons, and they managed to dump the last year and a half of his contract on the Rangers. But I think it opened GMs’ eyes to the risk involved in making a waiver claim — if Rios had been damaged goods, the Chisox would’ve had no recourse.

So GMs are more risk-averse now, which explains why BC was able to get Gonzalez and Beckett through waivers in 2012. And while the risk was much less with McCutchen, I think it explains why none of the 28 or so teams with priority over the MFY placed a claim on him earlier this month.
 

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Avelino, 23 year old 2B/SS - in AA he put up a 945 OPS in 211 plate appearances. Promoted to AAA and only put up a 663 OPS in 290 plate appearances.

Still young though
Seems like exactly the kind of player that Cutch fetches, maybe a smidge better.

The Yankees needed a capable outfielder though. Good move.
 

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I don;t like it when the MFy's get stronger. This seems like a steal for them.

Surprised the A's didn't get him instead (well, ignoring the purse). They need an upgrade at LF/CF.
Agreed. Nice move for the Yankees. I fully expect McCutchen to be very good for them.
 

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Not sure where I should put this, but with McCutchen's addition and Sanchez back Saturday and Didi close behind, hopefully NY can use a lineup like this on their West Coast trip starting Monday:

Hicks CF
Stanton LF
Gregorius SS
Andujar DH
Sanchez C
McCutchen RF
Gleyber 2B
Voit 1B (.983 OPS for NY so far, ride the hot hand)
Walker 3B

That leaves out Bird and Gardner.

If/when Judge is back, I guess put Andujar back at 3B and Judge at DH (he is better defensively than McCutchen but probably makes sense to let him mostly DH for the rest of the season if possible).
Is it true that Stanton has sore hammies? If that's true, no way he can play LF at YS.....on the road though maybe who knows.
I think the way to go for NY is keep Gardner in LF, Hicks in CF and McCutcheon in RF and just DH Stanton
 

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Is it true that Stanton has sore hammies? If that's true, no way he can play LF at YS.....on the road though maybe who knows.
I think the way to go for NY is keep Gardner in LF, Hicks in CF and McCutcheon in RF and just DH Stanton
They said that a couple of weeks ago but it's clearly not serious since he hasn't gotten any days off.
 

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De Paula needed to be protected this winter, even though he is just 21. That makes me feel better about him moving.
 

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They didn't clear waivers - the Dodgers claimed both Gonzalez and Beckett.
Yes, but they got through the entire AL and half the NL, even though both contracts (particularly Gonzo’s) likely had positive value at that point. My understanding is the Dodgers were talking trade with the Red Sox when they placed those claims.
 

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Well, under the same article posted by jungleboy there is this link that states Mccutchen cleared waivers. This changes things, as the Giants could have traded him anywhere and demand a better return.
 

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Well, under the same article posted by jungleboy there is this link that states Mccutchen cleared waivers. This changes things, as the Giants could have traded him anywhere and demand a better return.
Yes, he cleared waivers, but he's not the player he was a few years ago. He is a great fit for NY currently, but keep in mind he just got traded from PIT to SF this past January and they got a solid reliever with team control plus an OK AA outfield prospect. NY gave up two genuine prospects here, much more than the Cubs gave up for Daniel Murphy last week (for example).
 

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Yes, he cleared waivers, but he's not the player he was a few years ago. He is a great fit for NY currently, but keep in mind he just got traded from PIT to SF this past January and they got a solid reliever with team control plus an OK AA outfield prospect. NY gave up two genuine prospects here, much more than the Cubs gave up for Daniel Murphy last week (for example).
If that's true about the prospects (and I'm not doubting you), who resurrected Steinbrenner and put him back in charge?
 

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If that's true about the prospects (and I'm not doubting you), who resurrected Steinbrenner and put him back in charge?
They're not top prospects for NY, but NY's farm system is so deep that they are genuine talents. MLB had them at #23 and #26 in the NY system, RAB didn't have either in their most recent top 30 but just below. Again, Avelino is a 23 year old solid defensive SS who has 15 HRs and 25 SBs between AA/AAA this year, those guys don't grow on trees.
 

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They're not top prospects for NY, but NY's farm system is so deep that they are genuine talents. MLB had them at #23 and #26 in the NY system, RAB didn't have either in their most recent top 30 but just below. Again, Avelino is a 23 year old solid defensive SS who has 15 HRs and 25 SBs between AA/AAA this year, those guys don't grow on trees.
Sure, but McCutchen is a slightly above average hitter who is a minus in the OF and will be a FA at the end of the year. If the Red Sox traded Steve Pearce for him, I'd be mad.
 

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Sure, but McCutchen is a slightly above average hitter who is a minus in the OF and will be a FA at the end of the year. If the Red Sox traded Steve Pearce for him, I'd be mad.
He is a minus in CF but will be a plus in the small RF in NY, I think. Also, they have been playing Shane Robinson there all month, you or I might be an upgrade.
 

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Also I said it above, but both Avelino and DePaula were rule 5 eligible this winter, so that helps roster management.
 

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Yes, he cleared waivers, but he's not the player he was a few years ago. He is a great fit for NY currently, but keep in mind he just got traded from PIT to SF this past January and they got a solid reliever with team control plus an OK AA outfield prospect. NY gave up two genuine prospects here, much more than the Cubs gave up for Daniel Murphy last week (for example).
My point is that it was mentioned here that the Giants had less leverage because of the waiver situation. Having cleared them that is not the case.

If this is the best return they could have gotten then so be it.
 

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McCutchen has been on base 24 times in the last 11 games, he is a walk machine.