NY roster 2020

jon abbey

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Not much happening, I will take a shot at predicting the Opening Day roster. We can use this thread for roster predictions/discussion until Opening Day, and then roster moves/discussion after that, here's a guess at who breaks camp.

Lemahieu (2B)
Judge (RF)
Torres (SS)
Stanton (DH)
Sanchez (C)
Voit (1B)
Gardner (CF)
Urshela (3B)
Tauchman (LF)

Bench: Higashioka (Iannetta with an outside chance), Ford, Wade (Estrada also possible), and a 4th bench spot.

They could keep both Wade and Estrada, they could keep whichever of Granite and Herrera has a better spring (neither has options though, so would have to clear waivers if NY wanted to send them down later), I think Andujar and Frazier both need everyday ABs and defensive reps so I would send them both to AAA, still FA Brock Holt might also be a good fit here (sorry).

Rotation:

Cole
Severino
Tanaka
Happ
Montgomery (King possible too)

Bullpen

Loaisiga
Cessa
Heller
Green
Ottavino
Kahnle
Britton
Chapman

Heller over Holder and whoever else is the big call here, Loaisiga/Cessa are the two long guys, Loaisiga/Heller the spots that can be optioned down if a fresh arm is needed.
 

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Yes, looks good. I especially like the lineup order with Gleyber batting 3rd. The kid deserves it so let’s hope Boone keeps him there. Tauchman batting 9th is perfect too as that is where he shines the most and his .356/.440/.683/1.123 line in 101 AB in 2019 says something.
 

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Re-looking at the roster, the new 26-man rule gives the team a lot of bench flexibility. I like Wade a lot because he seemed to put it all together late last season and he hustles. Estrada is also good, and I have nothing against him and perhaps he complements Gleyber at SS better as both are from Venezuela. But I don’t know the dynamics of that relationship, but I’m sure whoever gets the bench spot will be based on performance or perhaps both as JA mentioned. Stanton is naturally an outfielder so there’s really no urgency to add another outfielder.
 

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Looks good to me, Jon, barring injuries. Or Andujar’s bat lighting up in ST.
After last year the problem is I can navigate a Missouri class battleship through that caveat. The good news is we have, apparently, either retired or fired or kicked upstairs virtually everyone connected with training, conditioning and medical in the organization. Now I have no idea to what extent the established stars can be persuaded to modify their own conditioning regimes, but I will give the organization an A+ for at least identifying and trying their best to remediate the situation. Now some decent luck would be nice...
 

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After last year the problem is I can navigate a Missouri class battleship through that caveat. The good news is we have, apparently, either retired or fired or kicked upstairs virtually everyone connected with training, conditioning and medical in the organization. Now I have no idea to what extent the established stars can be persuaded to modify their own conditioning regimes, but I will give the organization an A+ for at least identifying and trying their best to remediate the situation. Now some decent luck would be nice...
Still worrying about injuries, Coup? Think of the other side. What if Stanton stays healthy, as he does every third season or so. What if Judge stays healthy? You’re right. Luck is part of it. And there will be some injuries so we just have to deal with it as fans. I think this team is deeper and the extra roster spot helps mitigate injuries.They did a great job of it last year. Stanton’s injury gave Tauchman his chance.
 
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I was reading an ESPN article about ways that teams can use the 26th man on the roster. They broke it down to:

The professional pinch hitter and listed Mike Ford as a possibility, but I think that would only apply when facing LHP as his splits are not good batting against RHP or an OPS of .766 vs. 1.326 against LHP for 2019.

The pinch runner/defensive specialist. I think this is ideal for Wade as YES repeatedly said last year that he was the fastest player on the team. He’s also a very good defensive SS and is probably good as a utility infielder in general.

An extra platoon bat, well this would be Ford to complement Voit, right?

A third catcher (probably doesn’t apply)

The two-way player (I don’t think the team has anyone like Ohtani)

 

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Yeah, it's just a four man bench instead of a three man bench. I still think Brock Holt would be a nice fit (assuming Andujar and Frazier are sent to AAA to play every day) but that is true for most teams in baseball (that BH would be a good fit), dunno why he is still unsigned.
 

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No Brock Holt, no Cameron Maybin, pretty clearly NY likes the guys they have currently. The Maybin one is really a puzzler on paper except again maybe they like Granite and/or Herrera that much. Still the only player from outside the organization that they have added the entire offseason to the 40 man is Cole, that is a real tribute to the depth Cashman has built up or thinks he has anyway.

No Holt means a better chance for Estrada and even Kyle Holder behind him, and while both Holt and Wade could have made the same 26 man roster, it would have cut into Wade's chances and at 25, it is time to see if he can do the utility role they have been grooming him for for a while now.
 

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The Arenado reports out of COL really sound like the situation is irreconcilable, he wants to be on a contender. I think NY are the favorites (always trade your superstar to the other league if possible and he has a full no-trade clause and an optout after 2021 so COL loses leverage/value every game that ticks by and NY can afford to overpay in talent and I think take on his salary), and I think the sooner COL pulls the trigger, the more they can get from Cashman.
 

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The Arenado reports out of COL really sound like the situation is irreconcilable, he wants to be on a contender. I think NY are the favorites (always trade your superstar to the other league if possible and he has a full no-trade clause and an optout after 2021 so COL loses leverage/value every game that ticks by and NY can afford to overpay in talent and I think take on his salary), and I think the sooner COL pulls the trigger, the more they can get from Cashman.
I don't know why we need him and how we can really afford him without significantly reducing payroll flexibility for a long time.
 

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Here's a trade proposal via baseballtradevalues:

COL sends:

Arenado-26.8 (with him agreeing to have the player optout after 2021 excised from deal or however that is done)
Jon Gray-39.1 (two years of control through 2021)

total: 65.9

to NY for:

Miguel Andujar-22.4 (controlled through 2023 or 2024 with another month in the minors)
Clarke Schmidt-18.8 (on some top 100 lists, dominated AA at the end of last season, not on the 40 man yet even)
Gio Urshela-16.2 (controlled through 2023, this makes me a little sad but Arenado)
Clint Frazier-11.8 (controlled through 2024, this gives COL a 3B, a LF, and a 3B/LF in the same deal, so hopefully two work out. Andujar could be the next Alfonso Soriano if he can play an adequate LF, his bat was special already in 2018 with the less lively balls)
Albert Abreu-3 (that is already enough but if you act today, we will include a barely used Albert Abreu)

total: 72.2

So that is five cost-controlled players for one pricy superstar who wants out and two years of a SP before he presumably leaves too. 13 years of control of position players for Arenado's 2, at least 12 years of control of SPs for Gray's 2.
 

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I don't know why we need him and how we can really afford him without significantly reducing payroll flexibility for a long time.
He's one of the ten best players in baseball and I think the economics can work fine. Also it's possible COL would take on some of the deal depending who they got back.
 

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If the 2021 rotation is Cole/Severino/Gray/German plus all the younger guys, they can let the market overpay Paxton and Tanaka and that is a cheap rotation even with Cole.
 

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With Andujar looking comfortable in LF, I think NY's position player opening day roster is basically set barring injuries (I know, Coup).

Lemahieu (2B)
Judge (RF)
Torres (SS)
Stanton (DH)
Sanchez (C)
Voit (1B)
Gardner (CF)
Urshela (3B)
Tauchman (LF)

Bench: Higashioka, Ford, Wade, Andujar
 

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With Andujar looking comfortable in LF, I think NY's position player opening day roster is basically set barring injuries (I know, Coup).

Lemahieu (2B)
Judge (RF)
Torres (SS)
Stanton (DH)
Sanchez (C)
Voit (1B)
Gardner (CF)
Urshela (3B)
Tauchman (LF)

Bench: Higashioka, Ford, Wade, Andujar
Nice, we all love Miggy, just not at 3B.
 

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So, without Stanton, Andujar slots in at DH:

Lemahieu (2B)
Judge (RF)
Torres (SS)
Voit (1B)
Andujar (DH)
Sanchez (C)
Gardner (CF)
Urshela (3B)
Tauchman (LF)

Bench: Higashioka, Ford, Wade, Frazier
 

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With Stanton out, you have Tauchman/Gardner/Voit/Ford/Urshela/Andujar/Frazier to cover LF/CF/1B/3B/DH, so 7 players for 5 spots, plenty of ABs to go around.