Nick Pivetta to the 15-Day IL retroactive to April 6, with a right elbow flexor strain. (Bernardino called up)

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If he misses any significant time, the pitching will start to fall apart even faster than predicted. The Sox already have three starters where you are hoping for five innings.
 

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So begins the problems.

The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
 

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So begins the problems.

The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
I want pitchers in general (LEAGUE WIDE) to stop getting injured.. its like a daily thing at this point. Its absurd and is destroying the game

Resets X days without an MLB pitcher getting injured to ZERO
 

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Yeah, you'd expect them to anchor the staff, but they're also the guys with the most mileage on their arms.
 

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If he misses any significant time, the pitching will start to fall apart even faster than predicted. The Sox already have three starters where you are hoping for five innings.
5 innings is pretty much the benchmark for distance on any staff these days. And yet elbows keep blowing up all over the league.

Who starts tomorrow? I imagine Bernardino is up for today, but they will eventually need a starter. Maybe with the days off they move everyone up a day and figure it out later?
 

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I want pitchers in general (LEAGUE WIDE) to stop getting injured.. its like a daily thing at this point. Its absurd and is destroying the game

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Pitchers are throwing harder and with more movement. That is the cost of explosive pitching on the body.
 

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So begins the problems.

The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
Yep, here we go. Assuming BB is replaced by Criswell in a few days once he’s available? Or do they move Winck? Ugh.
 

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5 innings is pretty much the benchmark for distance on any staff these days. And yet elbows keep blowing up all over the league.

Who starts tomorrow? I imagine Bernardino is up for today, but they will eventually need a starter. Maybe with the days off they move everyone up a day and figure it out later?
Winckowski with Anderson following most likely

Edit - Actually Cooper Criswell lines up.
 

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Guys like Framber and Pivetta going down with elbow injuries should scare the living shit out of everybody.
Yeah, these aren’t Lincecum types. These are workhorses like Cole, Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down.
 

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Let's hope that's all it is.

The flexor tendon is immediately overlying the.... I don't even want to type it ligament. Can be injured together. Egh.
 

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Winck is a good bet but Anderson threw a lot of pitches Sunday. Bullpen otherwise hasn't been used since Saturday, so we got that going for us....
The poster above was right Cooper's turn in Pawtucket Worcester would be tomorrow so it lines up, luckily enough for the Sox.
 

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The sweeper claims another victim. This one was previously believed to be indestructible.
It's really fucking crazy. I'll just add that we should probably wait and see the diagnosis/prognosis Before assuming too much. Not fucking easy to say the least....
 

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Winck is a good bet but Anderson threw a lot of pitches Sunday. Bullpen otherwise hasn't been used since Saturday, so we got that going for us....
The good thing with the off-day yesterday is that they could move everyone up a day and slot Anderson at the end of the line, which would give him plenty of time to recover from his Sunday outing. And that 60+ pitch effort probably means he's stretched out enough to get to 80-85 pitches when he starts.

Given that it was Bernardino that was called up, my assumption is that will be the case.
 

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Two elbows of starters only 10 games into the season is really rough even with all the elbows league wide. Seems like we're getting more than our share. Stinks.
 

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The good thing with the off-day yesterday is that they could move everyone up a day and slot Anderson at the end of the line, which would give him plenty of time to recover from his Sunday outing. And that 60+ pitch effort probably means he's stretched out enough to get to 80-85 pitches when he starts.

Given that it was Bernardino that was called up, my assumption is that will be the case.
Yeah, that was my thought as well, and it would even give them time to figure out if they want to go with Anderson or Criswell at the 5. So on regular rest you'd have Crawford, Whit, and Houck, with options, as uninspiring as they are, for Saturday.
 

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Criswell pitched on Sunday.
So Winckowski is your only option. MiLB.com lied to me.

This is brutal. It is April and you might need to start doing some serious moves with your bullpen. Do you bring up Uwasawa as clean up arm after tonight? Or maybe you start him and have Winckowski follow?
 

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This is likely part of the issue with free agent pitchers. You have to factor in being down 12-18 months in the life of a 6-7 year deal and it’s driving paydays down.
 

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Can I be hopeful that they bothered to make his IL stint retroactive to the 6th? Like maybe the extra couple of days might matter, because he might not be out that long?
No I can't, can I?
I must have already moved on to the bargaining stage of rotation grief.
 

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Can I be hopeful that they bothered to make his IL stint retroactive to the 6th? Like maybe the extra couple of days might matter, because he might not be out that long?
No I can't, can I?
I must have already moved on to the bargaining stage of rotation grief.
… whereas I’m looking at the Sox payroll and the idiocy of the offseason and am stuck on rage.
 

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Can I be hopeful that they bothered to make his IL stint retroactive to the 6th? Like maybe the extra couple of days might matter, because he might not be out that long?
No I can't, can I?
I must have already moved on to the bargaining stage of rotation grief.
Nothing wrong with being hopeful. If I were a GM, I'd be backdating IL stints as much as possible just on the hope that the player could be back that much sooner. There's no real downside to it.
 

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Yeah, this is getting really scary, and I worry that it’s the new pitch-development stuff. But it’s hard to say, because it’s not as though pitchers as a group were ever terribly durable.

edit: in any case, probably three of the top five Cannot Get Hurt guys are already hurt, so… yeah. This sucks.
 

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Yeah, this is getting really scary, and I worry that it’s the new pitch-development stuff. But it’s hard to say, because it’s not as though pitchers as a group were ever terribly durable.

If it were just happening here, I would be worried about the new pitch development program, but it’s happening all over the league. The way that pitchers have to pitch in the modern MLB game to be effective is literally destroying their arms.
 

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Yeah, this is getting really scary, and I worry that it’s the new pitch-development stuff. But it’s hard to say, because it’s not as though pitchers as a group were ever terribly durable.
Anecdotally, my nephew was a pitcher at a top NJ school. Got his velocity into the high 80s as a sophomore but killed himself training getting there. Developed a rotator cuff injury that never healed properly and is now done. Had D1 future. His coaches were tracking spin rates and all that, even at HS level.
 

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… whereas I’m looking at the Sox payroll and the idiocy of the offseason and am stuck on rage.
Because they should have known Giolito and Pivetta would go down?

Even with Giolito out, the starting 5 opened with a fantastic run, completely justifying their use in that role.

Give it a rest man.
 

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Pivetta and Giolito were the two guys you expected to anchor the staff and provide big innings. Tough blow.
It is not clear there is any way to predict injuries. There was no reason I am aware of to think Giolito was going to miss the entire year.
Pretty clear that pitching depth is a must have in modern baseball.
 

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The pitching depth is razor thin right now with the bullpen already dolling out a ton of innings despite the relative success of the rotation. This is really unsustainable.
The Sox rotation has averaged 5.3 innings per start, which is league average. This is the new normal.
 
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Because they should have known Giolito and Pivetta would go down?
Yes, they should have. Pitchers get hurt and good teams prepare for that. For a big market team like the Red Sox, they should prepare for it by using their outsized financial resources to build up pitching depth, not be so afraid of pitching injuries that they never sign another free agent pitcher again.
 

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Yes, they should have. Pitchers get hurt and good teams prepare for that. For a big market team like the Red Sox, they should prepare for it by using their outsized financial resources to build up pitching depth, not be so afraid of pitching injuries that they never sign another free agent pitcher again.
Thee amount of pitching injuries league-wide should be sounding alarm bells at MLB HQ...


You have pitchers who were the traditional/reliable rubber arm/workhorse now getting season-ending injuries... I cannot recall the last time there were this many injuries and its only APRIL.. that's unmanageable for any team regardless of the amount of pitching depth one has
 

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If it were just happening here, I would be worried about the new pitch development program, but it’s happening all over the league. The way that pitchers have to pitch in the modern MLB game to be effective is literally destroying their arms.
Oh, I didn’t mean *our* new pitching program. I meant the leaguewide trends, especially insofar as they mean increased offseason workloads. I don’t see any indication that Breslow or Bailey or the other folks they hired are doing anything other than the current state of the art. I’m worried about that state of the art.