Next man up, err I mean Down: Craig

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threecy said:
Was the flaw in his swing something that wasn't picked up until he worked with Gedman in Pawtucket?
This is my question. We have Napoli's issue that was fixed by Pedroia, Ortiz' issue that apparently was fixed by he and Pedroia, and if Craig found something while in AAA ... that is damning to a MLB hitting coach I'd think. 
 

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canderson said:
This is my question. We have Napoli's issue that was fixed by Pedroia, Ortiz' issue that apparently was fixed by he and Pedroia, and if Craig found something while in AAA ... that is damning to a MLB hitting coach I'd think. 
I think this goes above just the coaching, though...it's not like Davis is the one DVRing every game; there must be staff in the front office that is involved in acquiring/assembling scouting of the team, at least one would think...
 

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This is my question. We have Napoli's issue that was fixed by Pedroia, Ortiz' issue that apparently was fixed by he and Pedroia, and if Craig found something while in AAA ... that is damning to a MLB hitting coach I'd think. 
 
I'd say it says more about how awesome Pedroia is, but that's just me. It seems like it's too early to call Napoli or Ortiz "fixed" at this point. Hitters are making adjustments all the time. It's an ongoing process.
 

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This is my question. We have Napoli's issue that was fixed by Pedroia, Ortiz' issue that apparently was fixed by he and Pedroia, and if Craig found something while in AAA ... that is damning to a MLB hitting coach I'd think. 
 
In fairness to Davis, both the Cardinals hitting coach and Greg Colbrunn were not able to get Craig back on track in 2014
 

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So, to update, he is now hitting .328/.434/.453 for an .887 OPS, with 10 BBs and 10 Ks, and sounds like is is doing much better.
 
However, he is also a 31-year old who has had a significant amount of time and success in the majors, so the expectations of what he should put up in AAA have to be elevated pretty substantially. Given the scuffles of the offense at the major league level, it would seem like they have every reason to rush his evaluation and get his bat to the majors, but he is a weird case, and further hampered by his positional/defensive shortcomings.
 
How high of an OPS, over how many AAA plate appearances, would you need to see before platooning him with Ortiz? Replacing Napoli entirely? Pushing Holt to more of a platoon role with Castillo? Or some other crazy way of getting him into the lineup? This is less a poll than genuine confusion about what the team has in mind for this situation.
 

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How high of an OPS, over how many AAA plate appearances, would you need to see before platooning him with Ortiz? Replacing Napoli entirely? Pushing Holt to more of a platoon role with Castillo? Or some other crazy way of getting him into the lineup? This is less a poll than genuine confusion about what the team has in mind for this situation.
 
Barring a decision to start selling off pieces at the MLB level, or an extensive run of injuries there that i guess could potentially force the issue, i doubt it even matters at this point what kind of #'s he puts up in AAA right now.
 
The situation has gone too far beyond bad fit to rationalize any wishful thinking that Craig has a potential future here. For all intentional purposes, he's essentially been pushed to out of sight/out of mind status imo. 
 

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Barring a decision to start selling off pieces at the MLB level, or an extensive run of injuries there that i guess could potentially force the issue, i doubt it even matters at this point what kind of #'s he puts up in AAA right now.
 
The situation has gone too far beyond bad fit to rationalize any wishful thinking that Craig has a potential future here. For all intentional purposes, he's essentially been pushed to out of sight/out of mind status imo. 
You're nut's if you think his performance doesn't matter at AAA. He's a guy who's proven that he can hit at the majors especially with RISP. This team is starving for a guy who can thrive in that role.
 
His work at AAA is actually one of the more interesting things going on in the organization right now. 
 

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I would say that these sorts of numbers are exactly what the Sox would have hoped for.  But I imagine that all would like to see him keep his OPS in the upper .800's or low .900s for another 2+ weeks so we could be more confident that it is not just a hot streak.  That said, short of an injury to Ortiz or Napoli, I don't think we see him in the Majors again until the ASB
 

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Barring a decision to start selling off pieces at the MLB level, or an extensive run of injuries there that i guess could potentially force the issue, i doubt it even matters at this point what kind of #'s he puts up in AAA right now.
 
The situation has gone too far beyond bad fit to rationalize any wishful thinking that Craig has a potential future here. For all intentional purposes, he's essentially been pushed to out of sight/out of mind status imo. 
 
If it didn't really matter what numbers he put up and he had no shot at ever being promoted they would've just DFAed him. If he performs well in AAA, and the opportunity arises, he will be brought up. 
 

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You're nut's if you think his performance doesn't matter at AAA. He's a guy who's proven that he can hit at the majors especially with RISP. This team is starving for a guy who can thrive in that role.
 
His work at AAA is actually one of the more interesting things going on in the organization right now. 
 
The Sox may be starving for a guy that can thrive in that role, but i highly doubt it's Craig that is ever deemed the answer to such. Now, or this upcoming winter for that matter. An MVP in AAA for the remainder of the year isn't going to change that. 
 
Nuts is putting ourselves back into a position where Craig counts against the LT again imo.  
 

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It is quite a unique situation given the luxury implications (i.e. his contract not counting against the LT limit currently) if he is recalled and the fact that once(if) he is recalled he cannot be sent back down and have his contract set back to not counting against the LT.
 
It is almost as if they will be signing him to a new 23ish million dollar FA contract* if they do bring him back up. So I imagine the performance he has to put up to warrant that is higher than would normally be needed for a player without that implication.
 
*obviously he is costing the redsox that cash anyway, but it is a sunk cost. He is currently off the books as far as LT is concerned.
 

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I would want to see a much higher ISO number than that in AAA before concluding that this was anything more than a string of BABip luck.
 
Also, I would think the Red Sox would be looking at how he was doing against power pitchers as opposed to finesse and against legitimate prospects as opposed to AAA filler.  To me the biggest problem was that he just could not catch up to an average or better fastball anymore.  If all he's doing is finding holes against mistake pitches by career AAA pitchers with borderline fastballs, then the numbers are meaningless.
 

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It is quite a unique situation given the luxury implications (i.e. his contract not counting against the LT limit currently) if he is recalled and the fact that once(if) he is recalled he cannot be sent back down and have his contract set back to not counting against the LT.
 
It is almost as if they will be signing him to a new 23ish million dollar FA contract* if they do bring him back up. So I imagine the performance he has to put up to warrant that is higher than would normally be needed for a player without that implication.
 
*obviously he is costing the redsox that cash anyway, but it is a sunk cost. He is currently off the books as far as LT is concerned.
 
Well, it isn't quite that bad but he certainly has a higher threshold than most to get back to the 40 man.
His salary of 25.5 + 1M buyout is a sunk cost at this point (unless he shows enough that some team is willing to take part of the contract on).
 
The extra cost is the 17.5% luxury tax for this year on his AAV average of 6.2 = roughly 1.0M (some of his salary has already counted toward the LT threshold) for this year.
In 2016 and 2017, although his salary is much higher (9M and 11M), the AAV doesn't change. However, the penalty for being over the LT increases to 30% for the 2nd year (tax 1.86) in a row over and 40% (tax 2.48) for the 3rd.  At this point, it does appear that the RS could certainly go under the LT threshold in both 2016 and 2017, with or without Craig on the 40 man roster and if that is the case there is no further savings. Obviously, it is 6.2 - .5 (min) easier if he is not on the roster.
 
In the end, if Craig tears up AAA for 2 months, I would think the RS would think it is worth bringing him up. Whatever money he cost in LT, he would have easily saved by increasing his value to another team.  However, I think Craig will have to prove himself over a much longer time than what would have been the case if there were no LT implications.  The greater likelihood if his success continues in AAA and the RS have a full contingent of OFers, is that the RS trade him getting another team to take a portion of Craig's salary while eating some.  It just seems that this threshold (having some value to another team) would happen before he surpasses the RS threshold of taking the potential LT hit.
 

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Well, it isn't quite that bad but he certainly has a higher threshold than most to get back to the 40 man.
His salary of 25.5 + 1M buyout is a sunk cost at this point (unless he shows enough that some team is willing to take part of the contract on).
 
The extra cost is the 17.5% luxury tax for this year on his AAV average of 6.2 = roughly 1.0M (some of his salary has already counted toward the LT threshold) for this year.
In 2016 and 2017, although his salary is much higher (9M and 11M), the AAV doesn't change. However, the penalty for being over the LT increases to 30% for the 2nd year (tax 1.86) in a row over and 40% (tax 2.48) for the 3rd.  At this point, it does appear that the RS could certainly go under the LT threshold in both 2016 and 2017, with or without Craig on the 40 man roster and if that is the case there is no further savings. Obviously, it is 6.2 - .5 (min) easier if he is not on the roster.
 
In the end, if Craig tears up AAA for 2 months, I would think the RS would think it is worth bringing him up. Whatever money he cost in LT, he would have easily saved by increasing his value to another team.  However, I think Craig will have to prove himself over a much longer time than what would have been the case if there were no LT implications.  The greater likelihood if his success continues in AAA and the RS have a full contingent of OFers, is that the RS trade him getting another team to take a portion of Craig's salary while eating some.  It just seems that this threshold (having some value to another team) would happen before he surpasses the RS threshold of taking the potential LT hit.
 
You forgot to account for the potential possibility we end up making the play to get under the cap for this season. 
 
Last estimates i saw projected us to be roughly $13 million over the threshold. Subtracting Craig for the remainder of the season brings us down under 10, at which point we would be in reasonably hypothetical striking distance of getting under if a latter priority decision was made to do so. That would in effect both save money for 2015, and push that 17.5% tax hit forward a year. Ultimately leaving us to spend more freely this upcoming offseason without the surrounding concern of another 12.5% being tacked on. 
 
Of course even if the above does not play out to be the case, the probability chance behind it is still likely higher atm then that of a Cinderella ending playing out here with Craig.  
 

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From my calculations, the RS are 9 million over. In this division where a clear cut leader is not likely until beyond the all star break it would probably another 6-8 weeks of the RS playing poorly to enter the Sell-off zone. I am hopeful that doesn't happen but the possibility does exist. They would have to clear out approximately 18M in AAV contracts if done halfway through the season.
 

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I'm not seeing why they couldn't do the same thing and outright him again if they call him up and he stinks again, wouldn't he have to give up the contract if he refuses the assignment to become a free agent?
 

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The Sox may be starving for a guy that can thrive in that role, but i highly doubt it's Craig that is ever deemed the answer to such. Now, or this upcoming winter for that matter. An MVP in AAA for the remainder of the year isn't going to change that. 
 
Nuts is putting ourselves back into a position where Craig counts against the LT again imo.  
Craig can acrue almost an entire additional season of ML service time before he can no longer be outrighted to relieve teh LT burden.  The only thing that would block that move if done within that year of service is another team claiming him and taking on the contract (even less financial obligations).
 
I would bet that the club will have Craig stay in AAA the remainder of the year unless he blows AAA apart and Napoli's recent hot streak ends with epic disaster.  Then they'll put him in a positional battle for 2016 a la the 2003 Ortiz/Giambi or Mueller/Hillenbrand positional battles.  Craig could probably be used as a component in both a LF and a 1B competition, so it would even open the door for a four guys/two spots battle.  A hypothetical would be if Ortiz hangs it up and Hanley moves to DH the club could use something like soon to be FA Kyle Blanks, Allen Craig (both 1B/LF options), Jackie Bradley (as a LF competitor via moving Mookie to LF and playing Bradley in CF, getting extra time as the 4th OF), and one of Cecchini, Shaw, or Brentz if the club feels like giving one of them a shot.  Given that Sam Travis has come on strong after a cold start in Salem and is likely going to be a fast mover due to age/college experience and Manuel Margot being within striking distance by then, it wouldn't be a bad mix to put together and pull from the farm should all four fail.
 
The key with Craig is having a short leash if they should give him another shot.  If he's only mediocre pull the trigger and DFA him before he gets close to that year of service time.  As long as they're committed to that it'll work out just fine.
 

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It is quite a unique situation given the luxury implications (i.e. his contract not counting against the LT limit currently) if he is recalled and the fact that once(if) he is recalled he cannot be sent back down and have his contract set back to not counting against the LT.
 
It is almost as if they will be signing him to a new 23ish million dollar FA contract* if they do bring him back up. So I imagine the performance he has to put up to warrant that is higher than would normally be needed for a player without that implication.
 
*obviously he is costing the redsox that cash anyway, but it is a sunk cost. He is currently off the books as far as LT is concerned.
 
Good post.  It's pretty clear that this is a factor in the FO's decisions (otherwise, why bother with Peguero and de Aza?). 
 
I think the real question is when/if Victorino and Nava are coming off the disabled list.  Other team's rejects are fine for a week or so, but if it's going to be an extended absence, Craig is more likely to be a contributor to this team than de Aza.
 

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Craig can acrue almost an entire additional season of ML service time before he can no longer be outrighted to relieve teh LT burden.  The only thing that would block that move if done within that year of service is another team claiming him and taking on the contract (even less financial obligations).
 
I would bet that the club will have Craig stay in AAA the remainder of the year unless he blows AAA apart and Napoli's recent hot streak ends with epic disaster.  Then they'll put him in a positional battle for 2016 a la the 2003 Ortiz/Giambi or Mueller/Hillenbrand positional battles.  Craig could probably be used as a component in both a LF and a 1B competition, so it would even open the door for a four guys/two spots battle.  A hypothetical would be if Ortiz hangs it up and Hanley moves to DH the club could use something like soon to be FA Kyle Blanks, Allen Craig (both 1B/LF options), Jackie Bradley (as a LF competitor via moving Mookie to LF and playing Bradley in CF, getting extra time as the 4th OF), and one of Cecchini, Shaw, or Brentz if the club feels like giving one of them a shot.  Given that Sam Travis has come on strong after a cold start in Salem and is likely going to be a fast mover due to age/college experience and Manuel Margot being within striking distance by then, it wouldn't be a bad mix to put together and pull from the farm should all four fail.
 
The key with Craig is having a short leash if they should give him another shot.  If he's only mediocre pull the trigger and DFA him before he gets close to that year of service time.  As long as they're committed to that it'll work out just fine.
 
If Craig starts showing a bit more consistent power at AAA, he'll be called up if the Sox are in contention.   He's currently batting 309/413/426 over 80 PA (18 games) at Pawtucket.  
 
While not great, Craig can play the corner OF and 1B, and career-wise he's much stronger against lefties.   He's exactly what the Sox need.   
 

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If Craig starts showing a bit more consistent power at AAA, he'll be called up if the Sox are in contention.   He's currently batting 309/413/426 over 80 PA (18 games) at Pawtucket.  
 
While not great, Craig can play the corner OF and 1B, and career-wise he's much stronger against lefties.   He's exactly what the Sox need.   
Unless they're making an honest assessment of Craig's issues and believe that his timing has been way off, and that he needs extended regular ABs to get locked back in.
 
I'd like to see them bring up Brentz if they want a RH bat with a good split against LHP.  Brentz has Johnny Gomes-esque splits over the last two years in AAA, has power to spare, and is at the point where they need to give him a real crack at the ML level or see him leave as a mL free agent.
 

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Unless they're making an honest assessment of Craig's issues and believe that his timing has been way off, and that he needs extended regular ABs to get locked back in.
 
I'd like to see them bring up Brentz if they want a RH bat with a good split against LHP.  Brentz has Johnny Gomes-esque splits over the last two years in AAA, has power to spare, and is at the point where they need to give him a real crack at the ML level or see him leave as a mL free agent.
 
He could be a decent platoon pice.  Right now he's slugging .439 against lefties.   He had a hot start followed by a dismal May.   Last year he crushed lefties, but he's not currently so much of a hot hand. 
 

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He could be a decent platoon pice.  Right now he's slugging .439 against lefties.   He had a hot start followed by a dismal May.   Last year he crushed lefties, but he's not currently so much of a hot hand. 
His power numbers against LHP are down currently, sure, but it is a small sample size.  He's always hit LHP far better than RHP and power has always been the main value to his game.  I just think that instead of rushing Craig up and losing the opportunity for him to get his timing back in a big way, or relying on the Peguero/De Aza type fillers why not just go with a 26 year old from the farm who fits the platoon need the ML club is desperately looking for?
 
Maybe catch lighting in a bottle.  Worst case isn't much more of a negative than what Peguero and De Aza offer.
 

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“@brianmacp: Opposite-field three-run homer for Allen Craig, his second in 113 PAs with the PawSox. He’d slugged just .222 in June entering play tonight.”
 

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Drek717 said:
Unless they're making an honest assessment of Craig's issues and believe that his timing has been way off, and that he needs extended regular ABs to get locked back in.
 
I'd like to see them bring up Brentz if they want a RH bat with a good split against LHP.  Brentz has Johnny Gomes-esque splits over the last two years in AAA, has power to spare, and is at the point where they need to give him a real crack at the ML level or see him leave as a mL free agent.
 
Cherington needs to grab his balls.. No reason to obtain Arza or whatever his name is. Brentz at DH vs LHP and to spell the Corner OF positions. Christ sakes the kid is 26 and has showed power. I am also a firm believer in keeping players in the Minors to long where their confidence is shattered and all the mental bullshit that goes with it..
 
F#c%^ Beane in Oakland would have these guys up and the Twins called up Buxton. Cherington is F#cked up!
 

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Cherington needs to grab his balls.. No reason to obtain Arza or whatever his name is. Brentz at DH vs LHP and to spell the Corner OF positions. Christ sakes the kid is 26 and has showed power. I am also a firm believer in keeping players in the Minors to long where their confidence is shattered and all the mental bullshit that goes with it..
 
F#c%^ Beane in Oakland would have these guys up and the Twins called up Buxton. Cherington is F#cked up!
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Travis Shaw is currently slugging .359 vs righties.  So probably not.
 
The season is over.
No way this team climbs out of the cellar. Lucchino might think so to keep the $8 dollar beers and dogs flowing. Henry is delusional while Cherington just might be an Ownership puppet. Napoli has zero value, next man up after Napoli is the only 1B u got in Shaw. Give em a shot!
 

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The season is over.
No way this team climbs out of the cellar. Lucchino might think so to keep the $8 dollar beers and dogs flowing. Henry is delusional while Cherington just might be an Ownership puppet. Napoli has zero value, next man up after Napoli is the only 1B u got in Shaw. Give em a shot!
 
Yeah, this is incomprehensible nonsense. You're gone.
 

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297 PA in Pawtucket and Craig is walking but not much else. 237/343/312.  And his numbers are worse over time:
 
May:   291/404/418
June:  235/376/333
July:    237/292/254
 
Even with the playoff hopes all but over, there's no point in calling him up, right?  He's dead to me.  Ben is now hoping that Joe Kelly can keep this from being a huge black mark on his resume.  Good luck with that. 
 

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297 PA in Pawtucket and Craig is walking but not much else. 237/343/312.  And his numbers are worse over time:
 
May:   291/404/418
June:  235/376/333
July:    237/292/254
 
Even with the playoff hopes all but over, there's no point in calling him up, right?  He's dead to me.  Ben is now hoping that Joe Kelly can keep this from being a huge black mark on his resume.  Good luck with that. 
 
There is no point in adding back to the 40 man roster just to waste a spot. They should flat out release him and eat the money.
 

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There is no point in adding back to the 40 man roster just to waste a spot. They should flat out release him and eat the money.
 
Agree that there's no point in adding him to the roster, but if he remains off the 40-man, he has the option of leaving after the season which will save the team the money he's owed in the future.  If he doesn't opt-out, and they have to pay him anyway, what difference does it make if he sticks around?  As long as he isn't taking playing time from a viable prospect (and given what the team has for 1B prospects, he probably isn't), he's doing no harm playing everyday in Pawtucket.
 

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297 PA in Pawtucket and Craig is walking but not much else. 237/343/312.  And his numbers are worse over time:
 
May:   291/404/418
June:  235/376/333
July:    237/292/254
 
Even with the playoff hopes all but over, there's no point in calling him up, right?  He's dead to me.  Ben is now hoping that Joe Kelly can keep this from being a huge black mark on his resume.  Good luck with that. 
Given the team's performance so far this year in all aspects of the game would it really matter if they had Lackey for one more year?  Kelly at least has multiple years of control beyond these two lost years.
 

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No, but they presumably could have traded Lackey at this years deadline for prop sectsuch better than the flotsam and jetsam they got last year.
 
 
Flotsam and jetsam that you liked when the trade was made.
 

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From the numbers, it's still hard to fathom the rapid declines in performance for both Allen Craig and Joe Kelly.  At the time of the trade, Craig had an OPS of 0.638 over his last 97 games with the Cards.  While hardly overwhelming, we'd probably take that right about now.  
 
There's really no reason to put Craig back on the 40 man roster this season.  Let him play out the string for the Paw Sox, and assess where he is at the end of the season.  Other than the money that's already been spent, there's no further harm in that approach. 
 

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Given the team's performance so far this year in all aspects of the game would it really matter if they had Lackey for one more year?
 
Maybe it would have mattered.  For example, keep Lackey, keep Cespedes, give B.Holt the starting job at 3b, don't sign Sandoval, don't sign Hanley, spend that money on Max Scherzer instead.  Would it have mattered?  Probably.  The Red Sox would have more wins and would still competing for a playoff spot.  They would also have an excellent rotation led by Scherzer and Lackey and a better defense.
 
I suppose this happens most years for most teams, 3 or 4 key moves often determines whether a team succeeds or fails.  In the case of the Red Sox, they made several wrong decisions and it cost them. 
 

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Maybe it would have mattered.  For example, keep Lackey, keep Cespedes, give B.Holt the starting job at 3b, don't sign Sandoval, don't sign Hanley, spend that money on Max Scherzer instead.  Would it have mattered?  Probably.  The Red Sox would have more wins and would still competing for a playoff spot.  They would also have an excellent rotation led by Scherzer and Lackey and a better defense.
 
I suppose this happens most years for most teams, 3 or 4 key moves often determines whether a team succeeds or fails.  In the case of the Red Sox, they made several wrong decisions and it cost them. 
 
I love Brock Holt, almost as much as I love "what if" games like this... but giving Holt the 3B job was never going to be part of the solution at 3B. 

He had a 100 OPS+ in 2014 and most of his value seemed to come from being a super sub. No one could have predicted that he would make a big leap forward offensively. Not only that, but I remember most posters thinking 3B was a stretch for him defensively and that he didn't have the arm to play there every day. 
 
Giving him the job, keeping Lackey (who threatened to sit out 2015 with us), keeping Cespedes (who IIRC was a clubhouse distraction), staying away from Sandoval and Ramirez (he's a terrible LF, but I'll be glad to have him at 1B/DH) and signing Scherzer would have all been moves that seemingly worked out in our favor, but they'd also be moves made with the benefit of information that was unavailable in 2014. 

 
 

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It seems this discussion is happening now though. Craig was coming off a serious injury, that now appears career ending. It is permissible to evaluate an acquisition after it happens. I also assume the guy(s) that traded for Craig had more info than we did, but they fucked up. He is wasted money. The Cards it appears called Lackey's bluff and he is pitching. THis has been beaten to death in other threads, but this is just one of many bad moves that makes this team awful at present.
 

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Red(s)HawksFan said:
 
Agree that there's no point in adding him to the roster, but if he remains off the 40-man, he has the option of leaving after the season which will save the team the money he's owed in the future.  If he doesn't opt-out, and they have to pay him anyway, what difference does it make if he sticks around?  As long as he isn't taking playing time from a viable prospect (and given what the team has for 1B prospects, he probably isn't), he's doing no harm playing everyday in Pawtucket.
Why on earth would Craig opt out? Do you think he'd get anything more than a non-roster invite from another team, let alone all the money the Sox owe him?
 

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Philip Jeff Frye said:
Why on earth would Craig opt out? Do you think he'd get anything more than a non-roster invite from another team, let alone all the money the Sox owe him?
 
I agree that he'd be foolish to opt out of guaranteed money, but consider it from the Red Sox POV.  They can cut him now and eat the entirety of the rest of his contract or hang on to him for another 2.5 months and maybe get lucky to the tune of a $21M savings.  Whether they cut him or he stays for two more years, the money's spent.  Why not hang on to him for that one in a million chance he'd rather seek minimum wage work elsewhere than toil in Pawtucket for the foreseeable future?
 

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Red(s)HawksFan said:
 
I agree that he'd be foolish to opt out of guaranteed money, but consider it from the Red Sox POV.  They can cut him now and eat the entirety of the rest of his contract or hang on to him for another 2.5 months and maybe get lucky to the tune of a $21M savings.  Whether they cut him or he stays for two more years, the money's spent.  Why not hang on to him for that one in a million chance he'd rather seek minimum wage work elsewhere than toil in Pawtucket for the foreseeable future?
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think Frye was advocating they cut Craig in the next 2+ months.  But no one is going to pick Craig up, unless he makes some miracle recovery to his old form.  My guess is Craig will pull a "Butch Hobson" and play out his contract at Pawtucket, the way Hobson did with the Columbus Clippers for 3.5 years.  The Sox best hope is that 1) He's able to make some type or adjustment from his injury to regain his stroke 2) A new medical procedure becomes available, 3) He's able to mentally reset going into 2016.  Other than that, he's just very expensive organizational filler.  But the saving grace is his salary does not count against the salary cap, so he has close to zero affect on the Sox financial decisions going forward.
 

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OK, then Henry may have told Dombrowski not to sweat the luxury tax going forward?
 
People read way too much into a notion that the LT limit = our budget imo. If the Sox want and feel a need to spend on a guy...they'll spend. Plus the cap likely gets an upwards adjustment after next year anyway, and in present terms we are only looking at a rough total cost of $3m (?) extra here.  
 
So basically and after already flushing a large sum down the toilet, they are following that up by throwing a few extra million on a fire. Probably in the name of "doing right by the player perspective". The luxuries of being a big market team i guess. 
 
(If the plan really is to go into 2016 with Hanley at first, you ideally wouldn't want Craig eating up that AAA roster spot either. So next stop is probably his outright release)
 

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He wasn't going to opt out and leave that money on the table.  Might as well see if he has any value going forward before they release him or dump his contract for pennies on the dollar.
 

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Meh.
 
They can DFA him again at the end of the season and get the same results as the first time.
 
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