You're insane. Please go to Vegas and bet the farm.LuckyBen said:I take Wisconsin by 2 next Saturday.
You're insane. Please go to Vegas and bet the farm.LuckyBen said:I take Wisconsin by 2 next Saturday.
StuckOnYouk said:With 1 minute and change to go why not go 2 for 1 possessions??? Instead they take forever to get the play going and in the end don't even get a shot on the rim. The game was totally screwed from there.
SemperFidelisSox said:Kentucky won the national championship tonight.
No way...I give ND credit, but there is no way the Badgers lose by 8. Not to mention Duke. UK might go down as one of the great teams of all time, but ND is by far the best team they have beaten this year and I would take Wisconsin against them 7/10 in the tourney.Deathofthebambino said:
Notre Dame isn't better than Wisconsin or Duke (well, maybe Duke), but IMO, they match up way better with Kentucky than either of them. I've been repeating this mantra for two weeks now, but to score on Kentucky, you have very few options. You can't get open threes and jumpers in your half court set, and you can't go to the post against them. You have to dribble, penetrate and look for the pass (either underneath or kick out) to get shots. You have to have guards that can penetrate like that, and Wisconsin and Duke don't have guys like Grant and Jackson that can do that.
Defensively, I think Wisconsin, and maybe even Duke, could do what ND did tonight, but I don't think they can score on Kentucky, and thus, I think Kentucky wins by 8+ against either of them.
Sorry to hear you missed the game tonight.LuckyBen said:Yeah, that 6/4/0 line made the difference...
Kentucky just played a game where they almost lost, and yet no other team can beat them? I believe LSU almost beat them earlier in the season, but I'm sure you'll tell me how talented they are.Dan to Theo to Ben said:You're insane. Please go to Vegas and bet the farm.
I'm sure WCS will do great for the 76ers!! It's not like they need talent on the offense end.HomeRunBaker said:Sorry to hear you missed the game tonight.
shawnrbu said:
It's gonna suck when ESPN proclaims this team The Greatest Basketball Team Of All Time when this team probably isn't even one of the 5 best teams of the past 10 years.
Exactly! It is a shame because those kids played their asses off.Deathofthebambino said:That was a huge coaching fuck up, as was not fouling Kentucky immediately on the last possession. Give yourself a chance to win the game. Who knows? Kentucky misses the front end and now you have any shot to win. Worst case, you get the ball with 30 seconds left down by 2. Either way, it's a lot better than getting the ball down by 2 with 6 seconds left. That whole final minute was on the coaching staff of ND, IMO, which sucks considering it was a masterful performance for the first 39 minutes.
Kliq said:If you think that Wisconsin doesn't have a chance against Kentucky, then you didn't watch the first game. Outside of UK, nobody is playing better basketball than them right now.
Where were the open shots Dekker hit? He had a hand in his face all game. UK just beat ND by 2, no way do do they beat Wisconsin by more than a three by one of the Harrison's with 5 seconds left. Again, Wisconsin is better than ND plain and simple. Kaminsky can hit 3s and is money from the free throw line.Deathofthebambino said:
Who said Wisconsin doesn't have a chance against Kentucky? I just said that I think Kentucky beats them by 8, and I'm sure Vegas will be somewhere in that neighborhood. If you're so confident, tell me why you think Wisconsin can beat them? What matchups favor Wiscy? Don't tell me about how they played a good game today. We all know that. I know what their record is, and I know how good they are, but who have they played that can do what Kentucky can do? How does Dekker get free for open shots against that defense? How does Kaminsky do inside against Towns and Lyles? Come on, break it down for us, I'm all ears.
BigSoxFan said:Agreed although I worry about WCS taking Kaminsky out of the game. That will be a fascinating matchup to watch.
Shh, WCS is up for the top pick due to his defense prowess. At least accord to HRB and DTB....Kliq said:
Kaminsky is the best player in the country right now and it isn't even close. I honestly don't know how good defensively Kentucky is. During the regular season, the only two teams they beat with really solid interior play where LSU and Texas, and LSU nearly beat them. WCS is currently the most overrated player in all of SoSH.
Cellar-Door said:Why out of curiosity?
He's a SF/PF doesn't really create off the dribble, doesn't have the strength or moves to work on PF in the block in the NBA.
He shot about 32% from 3 this year so he isn't a knock down floor stretcher, he also struggled at the line, and he doesn't look likely to be able to defend NBA athletes at the 3.
He's basically somewhere between Jonas Jerebko and Jeff Green in all likelihood. Not something I'd want to waste a mid-first on. I don't like drafting guys early who have no standout skills.
StuckOnYouk said:How many of these Kentucky kids are taken in the 1st round?
johnmd20 said:Fuck you Grant. You completely fucked over your team. You're awesome but you suck.
Wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Grant. He should have been the ACC player of the year.johnmd20 said:Fuck you Grant. You completely fucked over your team. You're awesome but you suck.
Well, they ARE possibly the only other team with two bigs that are legit 1st round picks.LuckyBen said:Kentucky just played a game where they almost lost, and yet no other team can beat them? I believe LSU almost beat them earlier in the season, but I'm sure you'll tell me how talented they are.
16-7 AST-TO ratio, compared to 8-11 for UKBigSoxFan said:Grant/Jackson/Connaughton shot 8 for 31. Amazing that ND could/should have won despite those numbers. Auguste and Vasturia were incredible.
dude, the transitive property doesn't really apply for sports, especially basketball. As DOTB has pointed out eloquently on multiple occassions, the matchups are worse for KY v. ND than they are v. UW.LuckyBen said:Where were the open shots Dekker hit? He had a hand in his face all game. UK just beat ND by 2, no way do do they beat Wisconsin by more than a three by one of the Harrison's with 5 seconds left. Again, Wisconsin is better than ND plain and simple. Kaminsky can hit 3s and is money from the free throw line.
Not to mention Arizona is better than ND.
or WCS, as he was injured.jon abbey said:Wisconsin did play Kentucky really tough in last year's Final Four, but that team didn't have Towns or Lyles or Booker. I don't think Wisconsin's D is good enough to hang with a clicking Kentucky team.
Ah yes, ND and LSU are the only two teams who match up well because they are the only teams to play them close. If Wisconsin and Duke play them close, what excuse will you use? Or God forbid either team wins.Dan to Theo to Ben said:dude, the transitive property doesn't really apply for sports, especially basketball. As DOTB has pointed out eloquently on multiple occassions, the matchups are worse for KY v. ND than they are v. UW.
I wouldn't put it past Izzo to take MSU to the championship. It's just a absurd to think that UK will not be challenged in the final two games.wibi said:I love how you guys are writing Gonzaga off as if Duke moving on is a sure thing
UConn was a seven seed last year right? Why not MSU.LuckyBen said:I wouldn't put it past Izzo to take MSU to the championship. It's just a absurd to think that UK will not be challenged in the final two games.
Also don't know why Bray didn't offense-defense like Cal did with Towns. When someone is scoring that easily, ot screws up the entire defense, not just that match-up.That was a huge coaching fuck up, as was not fouling Kentucky immediately on the last possession. Give yourself a chance to win the game. Who knows? Kentucky misses the front end and now you have any shot to win. Worst case, you get the ball with 30 seconds left down by 2. Either way, it's a lot better than getting the ball down by 2 with 6 seconds left. That whole final minute was on the coaching staff of ND, IMO, which sucks considering it was a masterful performance for the first 39 minutes.
LuckyBen said:Ah yes, ND and LSU are the only two teams who match up well because they are the only teams to play them close. If Wisconsin and Duke play them close, what excuse will you use? Or God forbid either team wins.
I'll explain how Wisconsin keeps it close. The frontcourt of Wisconsin is extremely versatile. Kaminsky, Dekker, and Hayes can all play very well inside and outside. If they are to keep this close, Gasser and Koenig need to play pick and roll with Kaminsky and Dekker in order to get WCS/Towns/Johnson on the move. Gasser are Koenig are good 3-pt shooters so we'll see how Cal handles them. Do they go over the top of the screen and risk Kaminsky or Dekker rolling to the basket or do they go under and leave Gasser/Koenig open for a 3? Also, whoever of FK and SD that isn't involved in the P/R will have an easier time of posting up while the bigs of UK can't set their feet and get you off the block. Hayes can be used as a chess piece of sorts as he'll have a slower Lyles on him and can take him off the dribble or run him off some screens.Deathofthebambino said:
You're a fucking idiot. I've spent two weeks posting in here that Notre Dame would play Kentucky close. The result has nothing to do with it. Once again, you've provided no actual content. Basketball, more than any other, is a game of matchups. Go back and read the threads here dating back to the beginning of the tournament. I've been saying all along that ND was going to be a huge matchup problem for Kentucky, even after they struggled against Northeastern, and while people were claiming they wouldn't get by Wichita State/Kansas. I'm tired of repeating myself to someone that doesn't get it. Kentucky's game against Notre Dame means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to Kentucky against Wisconsin. What Wisconsin has done means absolutely nothing against Kentucky. You just don't seem to understand this. The tournament is pretty much the complete opposite of "what have you done for me lately?" It's all about individual matchups in each game.
Wisconsin is a great team. I picked them to win my brackets, and I despise Kentucky, but based on matchups alone, they can't do what Notre Dame just did against Kentucky. It's not ball movement that beats Kentucky. It's penetration. You can't beat a defense with ball movement when their three guys at the top of the defense don't ever have to drop down and help their bigs. They just stick to the outside shooters like glue and let the bigs handle the inside. It's a massive, massive advantage. Who is going to drive the lane, and dish off/kick out for Wisconsin?
And you can't just have one guy doing the penetrating, or they will double him and force the pass. Notre Dame is the only team that I can see that has two guys in Grant and Jackson that are talented enough with the dribble to penetrate and dish against Kentucky. Believe me, nobody wants to see Kentucky go down more than I do. I just don't know HOW Wisconsin does it. Can they win? Sure, any given day and all that. I'd like you to explain to me HOW they are going to do it. Here's a hint: Just telling me that Kaminsky is really good isn't it.
I've got Gonzaga winning it all in my bracket. A Notre Dame win last night would have given me a shot at winning a 300+ person pool.wibi said:I love how you guys are writing Gonzaga off as if Duke moving on is a sure thing
I think you hit on pretty much everything here. Well done sir.Deathofthebambino said:
You're a fucking idiot. I've spent two weeks posting in here that Notre Dame would play Kentucky close. The result has nothing to do with it. Once again, you've provided no actual content. Basketball, more than any other, is a game of matchups. Go back and read the threads here dating back to the beginning of the tournament. I've been saying all along that ND was going to be a huge matchup problem for Kentucky, even after they struggled against Northeastern, and while people were claiming they wouldn't get by Wichita State/Kansas. I'm tired of repeating myself to someone that doesn't get it. Kentucky's game against Notre Dame means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to Kentucky against Wisconsin. What Wisconsin has done means absolutely nothing against Kentucky. You just don't seem to understand this. The tournament is pretty much the complete opposite of "what have you done for me lately?" It's all about individual matchups in each game.
Wisconsin is a great team. I picked them to win my brackets, and I despise Kentucky, but based on matchups alone, they can't do what Notre Dame just did against Kentucky. It's not ball movement that beats Kentucky. It's penetration. You can't beat a defense with ball movement when their three guys at the top of the defense don't ever have to drop down and help their bigs. They just stick to the outside shooters like glue and let the bigs handle the inside. It's a massive, massive advantage. Who is going to drive the lane, and dish off/kick out for Wisconsin?
And you can't just have one guy doing the penetrating, or they will double him and force the pass. Notre Dame is the only team that I can see that has two guys in Grant and Jackson that are talented enough with the dribble to penetrate and dish against Kentucky. Believe me, nobody wants to see Kentucky go down more than I do. I just don't know HOW Wisconsin does it. Can they win? Sure, any given day and all that. I'd like you to explain to me HOW they are going to do it. Here's a hint: Just telling me that Kaminsky is really good isn't it.
Deathofthebambino said:
You're a fucking idiot. I've spent two weeks posting in here that Notre Dame would play Kentucky close. The result has nothing to do with it. Once again, you've provided no actual content. Basketball, more than any other, is a game of matchups. Go back and read the threads here dating back to the beginning of the tournament. I've been saying all along that ND was going to be a huge matchup problem for Kentucky, even after they struggled against Northeastern, and while people were claiming they wouldn't get by Wichita State/Kansas. I'm tired of repeating myself to someone that doesn't get it. Kentucky's game against Notre Dame means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to Kentucky against Wisconsin. What Wisconsin has done means absolutely nothing against Kentucky. You just don't seem to understand this. The tournament is pretty much the complete opposite of "what have you done for me lately?" It's all about individual matchups in each game.
Wisconsin is a great team. I picked them to win my brackets, and I despise Kentucky, but based on matchups alone, they can't do what Notre Dame just did against Kentucky. It's not ball movement that beats Kentucky. It's penetration. You can't beat a defense with ball movement when their three guys at the top of the defense don't ever have to drop down and help their bigs. They just stick to the outside shooters like glue and let the bigs handle the inside. It's a massive, massive advantage. Who is going to drive the lane, and dish off/kick out for Wisconsin?
And you can't just have one guy doing the penetrating, or they will double him and force the pass. Notre Dame is the only team that I can see that has two guys in Grant and Jackson that are talented enough with the dribble to penetrate and dish against Kentucky. Believe me, nobody wants to see Kentucky go down more than I do. I just don't know HOW Wisconsin does it. Can they win? Sure, any given day and all that. I'd like you to explain to me HOW they are going to do it. Here's a hint: Just telling me that Kaminsky is really good isn't it.
54thMA said:What's with all the MSU fans behind the Louisville bench, who bought them those tickets, Izzo?