That would be great, then we could have another Michigan/tOSU game thread..............yeah, no.Can you iamgine the conferences allowing the committe choose the teams in the playoff? Well, they could if the conferences took the two highest ranked teams based on the committe rankings. Of course, then OSU would be playing Michigan this weekend. Again.
Osu is the better teamSo should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.
The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.
Yeah, that's a great system.
Ohio State is going because they had the better season and looks like the much better team. If Clemson loses and Penn State wins then PSU probably gets to go. Are you proposing that the only role of the committee should be to decide which of the five major conferences doesn't send their champion to the playoff? Edit: and to rank them 1-4, of course.So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.
The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.
Yeah, that's a great system.
OSU is a better team the PSU and it's not close. Hell, Michigan is a better team than PSU and it's not close. (Note: I still think PSU will leapfrog the Wolverines if they win and I'm fine with that.)So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.
The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.
Yeah, that's a great system.
But ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.Osu is the better team
Penn state had their chance if they could have beaten Pitt or put up an effort vs M
This is exactly correct. The bonus PSU gets for being the champion of the conference is potentially passing Michigan even though Michigan would beat them 99-0 99 times of 100 even if they played every game in Happy Valley on White Out Day,OSU is a better team the PSU and it's not close. Hell, Michigan is a better team than PSU and it's not close. (Note: I still think PSU will leapfrog the Wolverines if they win and I'm fine with that.)
I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.But ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.
Of course they will be in it though.
No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.
Edited to remove that ridiculous little "t" before OSU. No clue what got into me. And don't talk to me about Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is on fire right now, that loss to Houston was a killer, that cost them a shot at the playoff.I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.
Edited to remove that ridiculous little "t" before OSU. No clue what got into me. And don't talk to me about Oklahoma.
Exactly. The difference between basketball tournament and the football tournament is that conference champions get an automatic in in the former, and only some extra consideration in the latter.No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.
The Pats were the better team in 2007 but shit the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Too bad this committee just didn't vote the Pats the best team.
"Better" teams lose all the time. It happens.
No, they won't win the big 10, they just have a chance to win the National Championship despite losing.Exactly. The difference between basketball tournament and the football tournament is that conference champions get an automatic in in the former, and only some extra consideration in the latter.
I get your point but your complaint is with the committee criteria which state that championships won only come into play when "circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable," which really isn't the case here.
(Edit: And I'd argue most football fans would rather have the four best/most accomplished teams compete for the title rather than the four best conference champions)
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Your latter example of 2007, and by the way thanks for bringing up 2007, has nothing to do with this at all because OSU will not win the Big Ten Championship no matter what the committee votes.
Edit2: If you put in conference champions automatically you probably have to expand to eight teams.
That's what happened, actually, with the basketball tournament when it was clear that top three teams (e.g. Maryland 1974) were being left out of the 16-team champion only tournament,
Like the games where Penn State lost to Michigan by 39 and Pitt? Or the ones where Ohio State crushed Oklahoma in Norman, won at Wisconsin and beat Michigan?No, they won't win the big 10, they just have a chance to win the National Championship despite losing.
I agree with where my ire is directed, I think the committee should have less power / say and pay attention to the games.
But back to the games today.
"Better" teams get shut out of the NCAA hoops tournaments all the time. Because lesser teams get automatic bids by winning their conferences.No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.
The Pats were the better team in 2007 but shit the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Too bad this committee just didn't vote the Pats the best team.
"Better" teams lose all the time. It happens.
They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.Like the games where Penn State lost to Michigan by 39 and Pitt? Or the ones where Ohio State crushed Oklahoma in Norman, won at Wisconsin and beat Michigan?
Yes, the head-to-head and potential conference championship matter. They're not enough with all the other things. Penn State shouldn't make it over Michigan, never mind Ohio State.
Yes, because the MLB playoffs are explicitly decided by cumulative record. Great comparison.They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.
Guess the Yankees should have won in 2004 because they were the better team by end of year record. Forget the games.
You understand the format for other sports is different, right?They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.
Guess the Yankees should have won in 2004 because they were the better team by end of year record. Forget the games.
I know. This is the one where it is decided by a bunch of people around a tableYou understand the format for other sports is different, right?
Whose judgment is looking pretty good at the moment.I know. This is the one where it is decided by a bunch of people around a table
I don't disagree they are a better team. I'm sure they are. We have ample examples of better teams losing or not making playoffs / championships. I disagree with the process that made tonights game meaningless.Whose judgment is looking pretty good at the moment.
What are you smoking, OSU beat 3 top 9 teams. They have a much better resume than PSUBut ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.
Of course they will be in it though.
Tonight's game is certainly going to be meaningless to PSU if they get smoked like this in the second half.I don't disagree they are a better team. I'm sure they are. We have ample examples of better teams losing or not making playoffs / championships. I disagree with the process that made tonights game meaningless.
But let's just all agree to disagree.
I think they have toDoes Wisconsin jump Michigan and make it if Clemson loses assuming they win convincingly?
Michigan beat Wisconsin, and also beat PSU by 39 points. Pretty steep hill to climb.Does Wisconsin jump Michigan and make it if Clemson loses assuming they win convincingly?
It's a competitive sport, and the word "resume" is part of the conversation. Sad.What are you smoking, OSU beat 3 top 9 teams. They have a much better resume than PSU
Well the criteria for close calls include all of: conference championship (Wisconsin), head to head (Michigan),I think they have to
Yes.Does Wisconsin jump Michigan and make it if Clemson loses assuming they win convincingly?
It's simply not feasible for college sports to have pro-style criteria for playoffs. If you want to be a legitimate contender, you probably shouldn't lose to other contenders by 39.It's a competitive sport, and the word "resume" is part of the conversation. Sad.
I think so. Conference championship >>> H2H win.Does Wisconsin jump Michigan and make it if Clemson loses assuming they win convincingly?
If Wisconsin wins, Clemson loses and Wisconsin does not jump Michigan and Michigan gets in as the fourth team, tOSU fans here will gather up their torches and pitchforks and storm the forum but before that happens, it will crash, burn, implode and burst into a ball of flames.Let me add that I think Wisconsin should jump Michigan, even though I'm a Michigan fan. I'd bet they will, but I wouldn't bet on 1-4 odds that they will.
I loathe Michigan, but they're a legitimately excellent team and I'd have no issue if they got in with a Clemson loss. Penn State doesn't belong anywhere near that discussion.If Wisconsin wins, Clemson loses and Wisconsin does not jump Michigan and Michigan gets in as the fourth team, tOSU fans here will gather up their torches and pitchforks and storm the forum but before that happens, it will crash, burn, implode and burst into a ball of flames.