NBA Draft Night, June 22, Live Thread

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I didn't see a thread for this and think we had one last year that followed the action, pick by pick.

The draft starts June 22 (Thursday) at 8 p.m. It will be held in New York, at the Barclays Center.

The first five teams to pick: #1 San Antonio, #2 Charlotte, #3 Portland, #4 Houston, #5 Detroit. The Celtics of course have the #35 pick (early second round). Orlando looks well-positioned, with #6 and #11. Will be interesting to see what they do to build around their young core.
 
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Imbricus said:
I didn't see a thread for this and think we had one last year that followed the action, pick by pick.

The draft starts June 22 (Thursday) at 8 p.m. It will be held in New York, at the Barclays Center.

The first five teams to pick: #1 San Antonio, #2 Charlotte, #3 Portland, #4 Houston, #5 Detroit. The Celtics of course have the #35 pick (early second round). Orlando looks well-positioned, with #6 and #11. Will be interesting to see what they do to build around their young core.
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Agreed, Orlando is on the cusp of going on a multi-year playoff run.
I could see them making a push for Dame (3 Firsts + Isaac/Fultz/Suggs)

Dame with Banchero, Wagner, Anthony, & WCJ would be interesting.
 
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Agreed, Orlando is on the cusp of going on a multi-year playoff run.
I could see them making a push for Dame (3 Firsts + Isaac/Fultz/Suggs)

Dame with Banchero, Wagner, Anthony, & WCJ would be interesting.
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That would actually be a really solid trade for both teams. Portland gets it's full reset and Orlando makes some noise. Dame gets his salary free of state tax without us having to suffer him on Miami. I think that Orlando team could at least win a playoff series next year.
 
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That would actually be a really solid trade for both teams. Portland gets it's full reset and Orlando makes some noise. Dame gets his salary free of state tax without us having to suffer him on Miami. I think that Orlando team could at least win a playoff series next year.
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Agreed. Like this trade for both teams if the picks are lightly protected.
 
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Justthetippett said:
That would actually be a really solid trade for both teams. Portland gets it's full reset and Orlando makes some noise. Dame gets his salary free of state tax without us having to suffer him on Miami. I think that Orlando team could at least win a playoff series next year.
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Seems like a terrible trade for Portland. Suggs is like a worse shooting version of Josh Hart, Fultz is offensively limited, Isaac never plays, and the firsts will never be in the lottery. What's the point of getting 5 bench players and a guy with no knees?

From the Orlando side, I think you have to take a look at Dallas and how rushing the process can backfire. If you go in big for a guy who's 32, you're putting a cap on the window of contention (especially because as good as Paolo is, he's not anywhere close to his prime). I'd rather just sign FVV with cap space, keep my depth, and let Paolo and Franz grow into better players with a steady veteran hand.
 
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ManicCompression said:
Seems like a terrible trade for Portland. Suggs is like a worse shooting version of Josh Hart, Fultz is offensively limited, Isaac never plays, and the firsts will never be in the lottery. What's the point of getting 5 bench players and a guy with no knees?

From the Orlando side, I think you have to take a look at Dallas and how rushing the process can backfire. If you go in big for a guy who's 32, you're putting a cap on the window of contention (especially because as good as Paolo is, he's not anywhere close to his prime). I'd rather just sign FVV with cap space, keep my depth, and let Paolo and Franz grow into better players with a steady veteran hand.
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I am with you from the orlando side, I thing adding Dame does make them a playoff team for sure this year, but he is either gone, or a shadow of himself when Paolo is ready.. So you are shortcutting your way into a playoff run, but possibly cutting off your future championship type runs.

From a Portland Point of view. I assume at least one if not 2 of the picks are this year. So I think trade is only considered if they get #6. So know you suddenly have Scoot, Sharpe, and say Ausur Thompson (or maybe Walker/Whitmore) which is one hell of an interesting 20 and under group of players. Fast and super-athletic . If you take 11 as well, you get a Lively/Hendricks/Dick to add to the crew.

Scoot / Sharpe / Thompson / Nurkic / Lively won't win many games, but it could be fun to watch at times (and really ugly at others), and then add in a couple high lottery picks the next 2 years, and suddenly you are a really interesting team in 3/4 years
 
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ManicCompression said:
Seems like a terrible trade for Portland. Suggs is like a worse shooting version of Josh Hart, Fultz is offensively limited, Isaac never plays, and the firsts will never be in the lottery. What's the point of getting 5 bench players and a guy with no knees?

From the Orlando side, I think you have to take a look at Dallas and how rushing the process can backfire. If you go in big for a guy who's 32, you're putting a cap on the window of contention (especially because as good as Paolo is, he's not anywhere close to his prime). I'd rather just sign FVV with cap space, keep my depth, and let Paolo and Franz grow into better players with a steady veteran hand.
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The trade would have to include 6 and 11 this year, so that’s two lottery picks at a minimum. I think it’s actually an interesting trade for both sides.
 
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The trade would have to include 6 and 11 this year, so that’s two lottery picks at a minimum. I think it’s actually an interesting trade for both sides.
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I see, I was assuming future picks, or just one of these. I think that's more interesting for Portland, but still not something I think that would be good for Orlando. The Venn Diagram of "Dame Peak" and "Paolo Peak" probably doesn't have enough overlap to make that kind of offer.
 
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ManicCompression said:
I see, I was assuming future picks, or just one of these. I think that's more interesting for Portland, but still not something I think that would be good for Orlando. The Venn Diagram of "Dame Peak" and "Paolo Peak" probably doesn't have enough overlap to make that kind of offer.
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Teams can only really plan for 2-3 years out.

I wouldn't want Dame's contract on Boston. BUT Dame max would expire when it would be time to pay Banchero/Wagner

It all depends on if Orlando feels like its ready to consolidate or continue with the developing lottery picks. They are in a good position to do either.
 
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Dame to Orlando? That doesn’t get him on a fast track to a title. Fun trade idea to float out, but no way Dame would want that.
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I've got to ask, who gets him on a fast track to a title? I don't see him going to Denver or Boston, I can't imagine Milwaukee or Phoenix. I guess it could be Miami, if they could get him for nothing, but I wouldn't have them as title favorites with him, but they do overachieve every year.
 
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Dame to Orlando? That doesn’t get him on a fast track to a title. Fun trade idea to float out, but no way Dame would want that.
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Orlando's size gave Boston fits last year. Take their young core with another year of development. AND replace Markelle Fultz with Damian Lillard and they are a major headache. Now they have a go-to player, with the ball, teaching Banchero/Wagner how to get it done in crunch time.

It's really time for PDX to get out of purgatory and cash in on Dame. They need a reset and 3 lottery picks in a "good" draft (3, 6, 11) with Sharpe/Simons/Suggs/Thybulle/Reddish with a future Orlando 1st would get that ball rolling. Take some of their other vets and go Ainge style and sell, sell, sell

Like all fake trades, less than a 1% chance of happening...but Orlando is laying in the weeds, ready to take another step next year IMO.
 
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benhogan said:
Orlando's size gave Boston fits last year. Take their young core with another year of development. AND replace Markelle Fultz with Damian Lillard and they are a major headache. Now they have a go-to player, with the ball, teaching Banchero/Wagner how to get it done in crunch time.

It's really time for PDX to get out of purgatory and cash in on Dame. They need a reset and 3 lottery picks in a "good" draft (3, 6, 11) with Sharpe/Simons/Suggs/Thybulle/Reddish with a future Orlando 1st would get that ball rolling. Take some of their other vets and go Ainge style and sell, sell, sell

Like all fake trades, less than a 1% chance of happening...but Orlando is laying in the weeds, ready to take another step next year IMO.
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On paper the deal makes sense, but I also think there’s closer to zero percent chance that Dame will want to play in another small market. He might not have the Beal NTC, but I’m guessing this is a situation where Portland will work with him on a list of preferred destinations.
 
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SoxFanInPdx said:
Dame to Orlando? That doesn’t get him on a fast track to a title. Fun trade idea to float out, but no way Dame would want that.
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There aren’t any fast track options available, are there? It doesn’t seem insane to think that Paolo and Franz making a leap, and replacing Fultz with Dame doesn’t get them in the mix in the East. It could be a 2021 Phoenix situation where one upgrade has a cascading effect on the rest of the roster.
 
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I've got to ask, who gets him on a fast track to a title? I don't see him going to Denver or Boston, I can't imagine Milwaukee or Phoenix. I guess it could be Miami, if they could get him for nothing, but I wouldn't have them as title favorites with him, but they do overachieve every year.
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Miami seems like the consensus choice as a place he could go and win right away.

Philly could get tired of waiting for Harden and trade for Dame instead.

You could argue that Memphis might turn things around with some more adult supervision/leadership, but that's pretty speculative.

Separately, I believe it was on Simmons's podcast that Woj said that he won't be pre-reporting every pick this year.
 
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View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1671569492034322438?s=20
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They'd previously acquired a 2024 first- and second-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick in a deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder for a protected 2029 first-round pick, so it seems like they're positioning themselves to draft a few more Christian Braun types to put around Jokic, Murray, Porter Jr. and Gordon. Pretty smart.

"As the Nuggets prepare for possibility of losing Bruce Brown in free agency, they'll be drafting at No. 29, 32 and 37 on Thursday with a chance to keep gathering up young role players for this championship window. GM Calvin Booth picked Christian Braun at No. 21 last year."
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SI.com has basically become a Woj aggregator -- this link does a nice job covering the full story: https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/news/breaking-nuggets-and-pacers-reportedly-agree-to-a-trade-before-nba-draft
 
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They'd previously acquired a 2024 first- and second-round pick and a 2023 second-round pick in a deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder for a protected 2029 first-round pick, so it seems like they're positioning themselves to draft a few more Christian Braun types to put around Jokic, Murray, Porter Jr. and Gordon. Pretty smart.



SI.com has basically become a Woj aggregator -- this link does a nice job covering the full story: https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/news/breaking-nuggets-and-pacers-reportedly-agree-to-a-trade-before-nba-draft
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I imagine they might try to trade two of those picks to move up to that 21 range. I can’t imagine they’d want to add 3 rookies. Their bench would be extremely young for a title contender. I think Vitor Cancar and Zeke Naji would be the only players not a rookie or 2nd year player.
 
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I imagine they might try to trade two of those picks to move up to that 21 range. I can’t imagine they’d want to add 3 rookies. Their bench would be extremely young for a title contender. I think Vitor Cancar and Zeke Naji would be the only players not a rookie or 2nd year player.
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Possibly. I give them a ton of credit because that was a great deal they made today.

If they have 3 rookies that means they are likely #9, #12, #13 on the roster give or take. I don't see how that makes them an extremely young team. there are also some really interesting 23 year old's with 4 years of experience who are likely targets around that spot
 
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WTF? Why would you let the outgoing owner decide who to draft? That's dumb
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Who else would it be? Until he sells the team he's still Kupchak's boss.Unless the new owners put it in the agreement that they got final say even before the deal is closed, it was always going to be the guy who currently owns the team.

Worth noting Kupchak followed up by saying Jordan has always let the GM make the decision so he doubts that would change.
 
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ManicCompression said:
Seems like a terrible trade for Portland. Suggs is like a worse shooting version of Josh Hart, Fultz is offensively limited, Isaac never plays, and the firsts will never be in the lottery. What's the point of getting 5 bench players and a guy with no knees?

From the Orlando side, I think you have to take a look at Dallas and how rushing the process can backfire. If you go in big for a guy who's 32, you're putting a cap on the window of contention (especially because as good as Paolo is, he's not anywhere close to his prime). I'd rather just sign FVV with cap space, keep my depth, and let Paolo and Franz grow into better players with a steady veteran hand.
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I haven't really thought about free agent destinations, but leaving aside the Dame side of this, FVV sure is a good fit for them. I read somewhere they think at 29 he's a bit too old for their time-line (relevant to spec on Dame, too), but that seems silly. 29 isn't that old and having some vet leadership while said vet is in his prime for some/most of his contract strikes me as a good idea.
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Kupchak is a moron.
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Er....Jordan is the boss, I doubt Kupchak can just tell him no (also what cellar door said).
 
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I highly doubt this is his call. It sounds like new ownership doesn't have a clue as to what they are doing.
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new ownership also doesn't own the team yet, the deal isn't done. Even then, draft prep takes months, they aren't going to pull the rug at 11:59 and make a wildly uniformed decision. Kupchak will make the call with Jordan's blessing.
 
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new ownership also doesn't own the team yet, the deal isn't done. Even then, draft prep takes months, they aren't going to pull the rug at 11:59 and make a wildly uniformed decision. Kupchak will make the call with Jordan's blessing.
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My mistake I'm thinking the deal is done.
 
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Charlotte is in a tough spot. Scoot to me is going to be a superstar, but do they alienate Ball if they pick him? I can see Ball eschewing his extension to force his way to LA and the Lakers in the summer of 2025.
 
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TripleOT said:
Charlotte is in a tough spot. Scoot to me is going to be a superstar, but do they alienate Ball if they pick him? I can see Ball eschewing his extension to force his way to LA and the Lakers in the summer of 2025.
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If they rate Scoot that highly then they should pick him. Ball might push himself to a different market anyways. Miller is a fine prospect, but Scoot could be a real difference maker.
 
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Putting myself down as a Scoot doubter. Not saying he can't be an All Star, but I think people overrate the likelihood that guards that can't shoot threes can develop into knock-down shooters; we've seen plenty of lottery picks fail to learn that skill at the NBA level, and if he can't shoot threes, at his size it's going to be tough for him to be the best player on a good team. Miller has some question marks too, but I'd lean towards taking him over Scoot.
 
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I’m with you, I’d be skeptical of Scoot even aside from Charlotte’s situation. If I were them I might look seriously at trading down with someone like the Pistons for future picks.
 
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The Scoot rise baffled me a bit, he was a good HS prospect but not a consensus #1 or anything something like 7-10 on all the boards. Then he goes to the G-League plays 10 games, is pretty good, and suddenly he's the lock for #2?
 
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I'll add myself to the Scoot-skeptic pile. Seems like a guy who will be a ton of fun to watch, but seems to be a long way from contributing to winning basketball.
 
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I'll add myself to the Scoot-skeptic pile. Seems like a guy who will be a ton of fun to watch, but seems to be a long way from contributing to winning basketball.
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They are both a long ways away from contributing to winning basketball. Neither is being drafted by teams looking for them to make an immediate impact to advance deep in the playoffs. Scoot is much more explosive with higher upside in the ability to improve the easiest skill for a player to improve. Miller is always going to struggle beating guys off the dribble or in creating for himself at an elite level. For lottery teams the answer is usually to choose the physical upside especially when the other player doesn't really project as an overachiever.
 
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There is zero downside for Charlotte in creating uncertainty, or in suggesting the more-widely sought guy (Henderson) may well be their pick.
 
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Have you heard any Lillard rumors?
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I have. From what I’ve heard neither of them wants to be the bad guy in this, but he’s going to get dealt. Heard this on my lunch break on local sports radio here. They’re using the pick. So, take it with a grain of salt.

And I think it’s a good move for both parties. Whoever they could get for the pick isn’t going to make them contenders.
 
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I have. From what I’ve heard neither of them wants to be the bad guy in this, but he’s going to get dealt. Heard this on my lunch break on local sports radio here. They’re using the pick. So, take it with a grain of salt.

And I think it’s a good move for both parties. Whoever they could get for the pick isn’t going to make them contenders.
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Dealt where?
 
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They are both a long ways away from contributing to winning basketball. Neither is being drafted by teams looking for them to make an immediate impact to advance deep in the playoffs. Scoot is much more explosive with higher upside in the ability to improve the easiest skill for a player to improve. Miller is always going to struggle beating guys off the dribble or in creating for himself at an elite level. For lottery teams the answer is usually to choose the physical upside especially when the other player doesn't really project as an overachiever.
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Scoot is deficient in the one thing that can't be learned.
 
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