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His D has slipped a lot, but he's still a useful overall guy on offense. He'll be a stabilizing guy, the pro who doesn't get too upset, knows all the officials, etc. Most of his numbers just look like an older guy in modest decline, not a cliff. They don't need him to lock guys down.
Spoke to this regarding Beal the other day. I’d expect Haywards defense to bump up considerably now that he’s playing for a purpose.
 

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Spoke to this regarding Beal the other day. I’d expect Haywards defense to bump up considerably now that he’s playing for a purpose.
Yeah that makes sense. Also leaving a terrible defensive team and going to a mid one and playing shorter minutes so he doesn't have to ration heartbeats.
 

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Ah okay. That makes sense then. I was having trouble parsing that we got Springer for a second rounder and gave up Banton for a second rounder. All second rounders are not equal.
 

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Everybody who doesn’t put Miami in the legit top 4 contenders in East is certifiably out of their minds. Seriously. They don’t give a crap about the regular season. Didn’t last year, they were in the play in. If they meet the Celts again, with Spo and Butler, we are getting the exact same thing as the last two years. Grind city.
 

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Ah okay. That makes sense then. I was having trouble parsing that we got Springer for a second rounder and gave up Banton for a second rounder. All second rounders are not equal.
he's still a certifiable genius, he'll probably turn the 30th pick this summer into a 2nd rounder + 4 future 2nds again
 

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Everybody who doesn’t put Miami in the legit top 4 contenders in East is certifiably out of their minds. Seriously. They don’t give a crap about the regular season. Didn’t last year, they were in the play in. If they meet the Celts again, with Spo and Butler, we are getting the exact same thing as the last two years. Grind city.
Betting markets must be out of their minds then. https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/nba?tab=nba-finals

They have them below Boston, Milwaukee, NYK, Cleveland.
 

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interesting question: if you’re Brad and go do you want first among buyouts? Is it a wing (House), Gallo, something else

I guess part of the answer is you seek the useful guy who will say yes first
I would guess Gallo is top of the list. We know they like his game, and they just added their two defensive guys, a swing big/wing who can shoot is a role they might need.
I see no need for a ballhandler, and unless it's a lights out shooter, you just added your wing depth upgrade with defense.
 

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I would guess Gallo is top of the list. We know they like his game, and they just added their two defensive guys, a swing big/wing who can shoot is a role they might need.
I see no need for a ballhandler, and unless it's a lights out shooter, you just added your wing depth upgrade with defense.
And you know he wants to be here.
 

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Ah okay. That makes sense then. I was having trouble parsing that we got Springer for a second rounder and gave up Banton for a second rounder. All second rounders are not equal.
In this case, I think that it's as much about clearing a roster spot as saving the salary. And as CD notes, you have to trade something. The 2nd rounder swaps work too, which is why the late picks in some of these deals are "the more favorable of X or Y or Z", and then there's "but only if it's between 40 and 50" language.
 

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Everybody who doesn’t put Miami in the legit top 4 contenders in East is certifiably out of their minds. Seriously. They don’t give a crap about the regular season. Didn’t last year, they were in the play in. If they meet the Celts again, with Spo and Butler, we are getting the exact same thing as the last two years. Grind city.
The Heat game plan is pretty predictable. Step under every shooter and every rebounder and try to injure the opponents’ star players in order to even the odds because the refs will let them go when it happens every play.
 

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I would guess Gallo is top of the list. We know they like his game, and they just added their two defensive guys, a swing big/wing who can shoot is a role they might need.
I see no need for a ballhandler, and unless it's a lights out shooter, you just added your wing depth upgrade with defense.
If Gallo is getting any minutes on this team, something likely went significantly wrong. As deep depth/insurance I suppose you could do worse, but he's old, slow, and had another ACL tear pretty recently. I have a hard time imagining him being useful.

For what it's worth, DARKO thinks both Hayward and Gallo are mostly toast.


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Interesting moves for the C's, went younger and defensively oriented. I like it.

i feel the defense has slipped recently to where we're content to just trade baskets before stepping up and trying to finish teams off. Not a bad regular season strategy I guess, but I'm a fan of building good habits and maybe this sends a message.

Going younger was a surprise but maybe they're looking at a longer term picture, planning for a half dozen years of contending with the J's.
 

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I don't understand the first sentence.
I had 3 merlots tonight cuff me some slack. You should have seen the last sentence before I edited it!!

Markets were out of their minds on the Heat last season in the playoffs basing their numbers off of their reg season metrics. I had many convos with @Brand Name about this at the time.
 

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If the Heat truly give zero shits about the regular season, they should have tried to avoid the play-in at least. They did lose to Atlanta and had an elimination game before truly starting the playoffs.

Giving zero shits seems to be a risk to me.
 

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I had 3 merlots tonight cuff me some slack. You should have seen the last sentence before I edited it!!

Markets were out of their minds on the Heat last season in the playoffs basing their numbers off of their reg season metrics. I had many convos with @Brand Name about this at the time.

Oh yeah, we both hit it huge on seemingly market longshots last calendar year. Even though we both knew better by a fuckton. You smoked with the Heat, I had the Rangers early and often in the MLB playoffs. Together, that's one hell of a BBQ.

Really good stuff for my picks of late, probably going to start sharing a lot more of these as my time opens up next week, at least on hoops. Baseball next month. All over the Mavs early on Thursday here. With all the trades and injuries for the Knicks but the stars weren't really in doubt for Dallas? Yes please, and especially on a small spread. One of the easier CLV plays I've seen in some time.
 

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If Gallo is getting any minutes on this team, something likely went significantly wrong. As deep depth/insurance I suppose you could do worse, but he's old, slow, and had another ACL tear pretty recently. I have a hard time imagining him being useful.

For what it's worth, DARKO thinks both Hayward and Gallo are mostly toast.


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Yeah, I like Gallo but I'm not sure of the role/fit at this point. I'd rather have wing depth, though the "Game 7 vs Miami, need a microwave scorer" scenario that Gallo might help on still exists as well
 

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Interesting moves for the C's, went younger and defensively oriented. I like it.

i feel the defense has slipped recently to where we're content to just trade baskets before stepping up and trying to finish teams off. Not a bad regular season strategy I guess, but I'm a fan of building good habits and maybe this sends a message.

Going younger was a surprise but maybe they're looking at a longer term picture, planning for a half dozen years of contending with the J's.
I agree. I also think that Tillman and Springer afford Joe the opportunity to throw together a "Stop the fucking bleeding/send a message about effort" lineup of high-energy defense guys.
 

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interesting question: if you’re Brad and go do you want first among buyouts? Is it a wing (House), Gallo, something else

I guess part of the answer is you seek the useful guy who will say yes first
I would guess Gallo ends up on a contender where he has a clearer path to getting minutes.

I think if the Celtics go after a buyout guy, I’d guess it’s Furkan Korkmaz.

But I think the most likely route is leaving that roster spot open, saving Wyc some of his millions, then sign Queta to the last spot at the end of the regular season.
 

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Grant is probably going to have to cool it down a little to get the most out of his career. He's best as a complimentary piece on a contender, and that means checking the annoying behavior and knowing his role/place in the pecking order. His baby brother stuff with the Js was one thing but he had a chance to really solidify himself in Dallas and made a meal of it.
I agree with that. Though it is also worth noting---Luka has a growing list of guys who didn't enjoy/succeed playing with him, Kyrie is a proven cancer, and I'm not sure why anyone would have confidence in the current Mavs leadership/coaching situation. It's about as likely this is "Jimmy Butler calls out his Philly teammates" as it is "Grant needs to grow up" seems to me.
 

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The best part is the fact that the wine that Miles fetishized and ended up drinking out of a plastic cup in a fast food restaurant, (1961 Cheval Blanc) is made from about 40% Merlot.
Funny. Was never a fan of that movie. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's the idea that Virginia Madsen would be interested in Paul Giamatti's character.
 

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Grant is probably going to have to cool it down a little to get the most out of his career. He's best as a complimentary piece on a contender, and that means checking the annoying behavior and knowing his role/place in the pecking order. His baby brother stuff with the Js was one thing but he had a chance to really solidify himself in Dallas and made a meal of it.
I think I'd say cool it down more thna a little. I think Boston cut him a lot of slack because he's definitely a good, intelligent guy...but I can completely understand his act wearing really thin on a new team that just gave him a decent sized contract.

I mean, it's probably not a good look that the "April Fool's" joke of Ime and Grant getting into a fist fight was enough of a thing that everyone would believe it.

Grant's a top 7-8 rotation piece who whines, mugs for the camera/tries to get on mic, and bitches to refs like he's a star. I can completely see how he rubs people the wrong way and annoys them
 

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I agree with that. Though it is also worth noting---Luka has a growing list of guys who didn't enjoy/succeed playing with him, Kyrie is a proven cancer, and I'm not sure why anyone would have confidence in the current Mavs leadership/coaching situation. It's about as likely this is "Jimmy Butler calls out his Philly teammates" as it is "Grant needs to grow up" seems to me.
Dallas is definitely somewhat of a clown show.

At the same time, Grant's a clown himself. He definitely needs to chirp, gesticulate wildly, and whine a lot less than he has been
 

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The best part is the fact that the wine that Miles fetishized and ended up drinking out of a plastic cup in a fast food restaurant, (1961 Cheval Blanc) is made from about 40% Merlot.
What is unintentionally hilarious is that my first drink at the bar was served to me in a plastic cup due to casino rule of not taking glasses from the restaurants. Bartender thought I was leaving until I asked, “Bro you serious?” then he poured in a wine glass.

Edit: I have maybe 10 drinks a year these days. To say I’m a lightweight is an insult to the real lightweights out there. I’m a long way from my 4-5 L.I.T. days.
 

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The best part is the fact that the wine that Miles fetishized and ended up drinking out of a plastic cup in a fast food restaurant, (1961 Cheval Blanc) is made from about 40% Merlot.
I believe Payne wanted to use an all-merlot wine, but couldn't get the rights (in the book it was Chateau Latour).
 

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I agree with that. Though it is also worth noting---Luka has a growing list of guys who didn't enjoy/succeed playing with him, Kyrie is a proven cancer, and I'm not sure why anyone would have confidence in the current Mavs leadership/coaching situation. It's about as likely this is "Jimmy Butler calls out his Philly teammates" as it is "Grant needs to grow up" seems to me.
Sometimes a missed free throw is just a missed free throw, sometimes it's this:

View: https://youtu.be/4OOJkdixlik?si=CuJTSfcBvYR5NoAE


From Day One, it felt like Grant was too big for his britches and the way I have read the comments from the Jays about Grant's departure, they're happy to have him gone. They said nicer things about Lamar Stevens than Grant.
 

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I think I'd say cool it down more thna a little. I think Boston cut him a lot of slack because he's definitely a good, intelligent guy...but I can completely understand his act wearing really thin on a new team that just gave him a decent sized contract.

I mean, it's probably not a good look that the "April Fool's" joke of Ime and Grant getting into a fist fight was enough of a thing that everyone would believe it.

Grant's a top 7-8 rotation piece who whines, mugs for the camera/tries to get on mic, and bitches to refs like he's a star. I can completely see how he rubs people the wrong way and annoys them
Grant was great on a rookie contract, but his act & defense were going in the wrong direction by the very end.

Strong as an OX, BIGs stopped trying to run him over (since he probably annoyed the F--- out of them) and they just started turning & shooting over him. He wasn't the defensive "Giannis" stopper that the media played around with & ended up being a small minutes body vs. 4/5s. Tillman is a better defender for that role.

I get why the Mavs went with him (& thought it was a good move), but they deserve credit for pivoting to Gafford/PJ. Sometimes it's best to cut bait. Brad with another double to the gap.
 

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Grant can absolutely be a fool, and that sometimes wears thin with the most patient and effective of people.

That said, Dallas has been a shitshow for a long time. Is there anyone among us who doesn't expect a meltdown there sooner rather than with that mix of folks, headlined by Kyrie? The "shoes" story is hilarious and also completely fucking believable. Like yeah, people who care about winning are absolutely laser focused on whose sneakers a guy is wearing and getting "rubbed the wrong way" by the choice. Well they are in that place. That's how you get to a +0.2 net differential with two of the better players in the NBA.
 

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Yeah Grant could be annoying, it was his thing here too, just the vibes of a winning team and personalities in this lockerroom make it funny. DAL is a toxic waste dump of loserdom and the two main guys in the lockeroom are Kyrie who takes himself immensely seriously, and Luka, who seems to have never had a teammate he worked with, that may be on-court not off, but nobody ever looks happy on his teams.
 

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Yeah Grant could be annoying, it was his thing here too, just the vibes of a winning team and personalities in this lockerroom make it funny. DAL is a toxic waste dump of loserdom and the two main guys in the lockeroom are Kyrie who takes himself immensely seriously, and Luka, who seems to have never had a teammate he worked with, that may be on-court not off, but nobody ever looks happy on his teams.
I think the only teammate that he really liked (that's not a role player of some kind) is Jalen Brunson...who is clearly way, way better away from Luka. Everyone else has struggled in some way
 

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Grant got his money, and good for him. He and his are set for life for a very long time, if he's wise with it. For some people, that's just enough. Dude just wants to have fun, baby.
 

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I agree with that. Though it is also worth noting---Luka has a growing list of guys who didn't enjoy/succeed playing with him, Kyrie is a proven cancer, and I'm not sure why anyone would have confidence in the current Mavs leadership/coaching situation. It's about as likely this is "Jimmy Butler calls out his Philly teammates" as it is "Grant needs to grow up" seems to me.
Excellent cite. I certainly can't think of a more massive W by a departing player trashing the culture he's leaving than Jimmy. Opinions were split on that when he left Philly, and he has absolutely shoved "what he meant" down everyone's throat in the 5 years since. Probably 80%+ of those situations are in fact malcontents who refused to be a team player or check their ego, or wanted to get back verbally at the team that had just decided to part ways. Very few of them turn out like Butler's, to say nothing of the degree of Butler's W.

I guess it's possible Grant's situation turns out like that, but we had a bit of a preview of that in Boston. He wasn't an out-and-out bad teammate here, but in terms of his willingness to always give 100% in concert with his rotation role, he certainly was pretty far from Mr. Ubuntu (to say nothing of him starting shit / being a hothead, such as his head-butting with none other than Butler himself).

Also it gives me an opportunity to post Butler's Bk-Ref profile photo:

 

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Well, Grant is supposed to grate on the other team and get in their heads so they screw up. When he annoys his own teammates, or when the other team gets in his head so he screws up (see Jimmy B in the playoffs as noted above),well he’s less fun to have around.