Nava activated from DL, Merrero sent down
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Or maybe the reason he's started out so poorly is because he's, you know, actually been playing hurt.
It never ceases to amaze me how this Board will search for any and every excuse for some players' failure to produce and want them to get 19 chances to prove they really do suck (ehem, JBJ), and then when a player who actually has produced regularly goes into a prolonged slump, they immediately jump to, "He's lost it; get rid of him."
It never ceases to amaze me how this Board will search for any and every excuse for some players' failure to produce and want them to get 19 chances to prove they really do suck (ehem, JBJ), and then when a player who actually has produced regularly goes into a prolonged slump, they immediately jump to, "He's lost it; get rid of him."
No one in this thread has said to get rid of him and you were the first person on the get rid of Craig bandwagon.
I was not impressed by the first few swings I saw Peguero take. Pulling his head and doesn't appear that he has any chance of hitting anything.AB in DC said:
bosox79 said:
My opinion of Craig has always been based on our resident orthopedic surgeon's characterization of Craig's injury as "inconsistent with continuing to compete in high level athletics," not his statistics over any short horizon.
Excellent point on Peguero being inferior to Nava in just about every respect. I don't have rose-colored glasses on Nava, at the point where this team has everyone healthy in the outfield, should that ever arrive, then Brock Holt largely makes his skills redundant. However, that time hasn't come.
If Peguero runs into one, it's going 430 feet. If Nava runs into one, it's going to come down just short of the warning track. Right now, at this moment in time, Peguero is a better threat to help the Sox score. And if Nava has been hurt for awhile, let him get better and then maybe he gets his on base skills back. But currently, he's wretched.
Plympton91 said:
So you don't see a difference between trying to get a 25 year old well-regarded prospect with GG defensive skills to realize his full offensive potential and trying to get a 33 year old career fringe player who is not good defensively and has been above average offensively in exactly one season to get back to his above-average level of production? People aren't down on Nava and more patient with Bradley because of some irrational personal bias. It's based on common sense. Your blind spot for Nava is what never ceases to amaze a lot of people.
Actually, people are down on Nava and patient with Bradley due to recency bias. In almost the same number of plate appearances, nava was just as bad at the beginning of last year. He then proceeded to hit ~120-130 wRC+ over the final~330 plate appearances.glennhoffmania said:
Not to pick on you, but some of the posting on here is going beyond the pale bad. Nava is 32 not 33 and has a career 107 wRC+ in ~1500 mlb plate appearances. His walk and strikeout rates are within his career norms, suggesting that one should expect him to regress to his career's mean.
We should certainly be patient with Bradley, but he should be getting regular at-bats, preferably in AAA. A 157 wRC+ looks really nice in 120 PA, and its great that his strikeout rate is down to 15 percent, but he's not walking much and his line is very BABIP heavy.
EricFeczko said:
First of all I never said that Bradley should replace Nava on the roster. I was responding to P91's comment about how people don't want to give Nava the same amount of slack as Bradley. It wasn't an either/or argument. I was simply offering a reasonable explanation to refute P91's complaint.
Second, you're right that he's only 32. My mistake. But that one year doesn't really matter.
Finally, I said he's been above average in one year. Pointing to his career wRC+ doesn't prove or disprove that. By season his wRC+ is 95, 104, 128, 100 and 25. So like I said, he was above average in 2013 and otherwise has been either average or worse. There's nothing wrong with that, but why some people get so bent out of shape about a player who's average offensively and below average defensively is pretty odd.
His BB and K rates are around his career norms. His LD% is well below his career norm, as are his ISO and Hard%. The point is that he's making really shitty contact. Of course he may turn things around and become a usable player. But so far he's been brutal, and none of this has anything to do with why people are more willing to be more patient with Bradley.
He actually had a 115 wRC+ in the second half last season, starting with a 122 wRC+ in 74 June PAs. The only reason he ended up with a 100 wRC+ at season's end is because of a horrific March-May (11 PAs in May).
I guess all I'm trying to point out is that if you ignore his start last season, because 80 or so PAs is a really SSS, you have 3 straight years of a very solid player who's making peanuts. I'm willing to be a little more patient at this point, he's shown he's useful.
I guess all I'm trying to point out is that if you ignore his start last season, because 80 or so PAs is a really SSS, you have 3 straight years of a very solid player who's making peanuts. I'm willing to be a little more patient at this point, he's shown he's useful.
Look I'm not trying to shit on Nava. I simply don't understand the obsession a couple of people seem to have with him. But all PAs matter so ignoring the first two plus months and then claiming he was very solid from June on doesn't change the fact that overall he's basically been an average offensive player. Average doesn't mean bad, but it also doesn't mean very solid.
A la Middlebrooks who was playing with a major back injury etc and was grilled for not playing winter ball. This off-season he worked out and slept. His numbers are better. Not much but better but pseudo promising. The catch here, I know, is that the Sox don't have the luxury of waiting like some other clubs. <\endhijack>.Plympton91 said:
If you throw away any players worst 80-100 PA stretch during a year, they'd all look considerably better.MakMan44 said:
glennhoffmania said:
It's not an obsession with Nava, its disgust with the people who've been given at bats instead of him over the past two years because of perfectly normal slumps. As I said, if there's ever a time where Castillo, Ramirez, Victorino, and Betts are all healthy, then Nava's role is essentially filled by Holt and they'll have to make a decision. The corpse of Grady Sizemore last year and whatever this new guy's name is this year (who looked like an even worse left fielder than Hanley the other night) aren't that.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 2m2 minutes ago
Appears #RedSox have activated Daniel Nava and optioned Deven Marrero.
Appears #RedSox have activated Daniel Nava and optioned Deven Marrero.
Corsi said:
It really is a shame that Nava can't hit lefties at all, because he and Holt could probably form a decent platoon at first base or he could make Victorino expendable in right. I guess if De Aza gets moved, he could become the lefty half of that platoon in right, but as is, he's in for a lot of long days and nights on the bench. Makes me wonder why the FO didn't just DFA him; he doesn't really have a role right now.
That said, Holt has essentially no split this year between hitting lefties and righties, so maybe a Holt/Nava platoon could work? Seems unlikely, though.
Why not Nava at 1B, drop the corpse of Mike Napoli on the scrap heap, then have Holt platoon with both Sandoval and Nava against LHP, giving the two of them some opportunities against LHP to show that dropping switch hitting is producing better results?TheYellowDart5 said:
Hank Scorpio said:
Leaving Holt where?
Unless the Sox are tanking, I'd like Holt playing as often as possible.