MLB suspends Trevor Bauer for 2 years with no pay

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In other news, after three tune-up starts on the farm, Bauer is expected to make his NPB debut tomorrow vs the Hiroshima Carp.
 

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My first thought was he was mimicking Bruce Willis in pulp fiction when he stabs the guy that they are keeping in the basement.
 
My first thought was he was mimicking Bruce Willis in pulp fiction when he stabs the guy that they are keeping in the basement.
Yeah, that'd be closer to the version of it from MLB linked above where the "sword" is going to his right hip. I don't think that was his intention though as the clip of him doing it in a Japanese rehab start has him going to the left hip, which is at least a bit less incorrect (he still looks like an idiot). I suspect it was always supposed to be sheathing the sword and at some point he realized he was going to the wrong hip.
 

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https://x.com/baueroutage/status/1708904525724270659?s=46&t=Sjcd3Gfg4ew65Si_qTgkiw

Bauer settled his lawsuit against his accuser, with no payments.
His video contains some of the evidence he contends shows he was set up.
what effect this has on his MLB status, or willingness of a team to sign him, is unclear at this point.
I hope not. Dude’s clearly a shitbag and always has been. And I don’t believe a damn thing that comes out of his mouth or from anyone in his camp. He’s scum.
 

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Just putting it out there. If the Sox sign Bauer, I'm done with the team. Which is something I'd ever thought I'd say.

From https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38549922/trevor-bauer-woman-settle-dispute-sexual-assault-case

Bauer sued the woman, and she countersued. Their settlement calls for no exchange of money between the parties, but the woman will receive a separate $300,000 payout from insurance, her attorney, Jesse Kaplan, said in a letter to Bauer's lawyers.

Bauer faces a different accusation from an Arizona woman who alleges in a lawsuit that he held a knife at her throat and choked her until she passed out during a rape that left her pregnant in late 2020.
 
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Just putting it out there. If the Sox sign Bauer, I'm done with the team. Which is something I'd ever thought I'd say.

From https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38549922/trevor-bauer-woman-settle-dispute-sexual-assault-case
Do we know if that's his insurance or her insurance that is paying out? Assuming it's his (why would her insurance be involved in this?), I'm not sure how the settlement in any way clears him of culpability. She's getting paid off whether the money is coming directly out of Bauer's bank account or not.
 

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What kind of insurance covers paying someone off so they stop suing you?
Malpractice insurance would cover some things in the medical and legal fields but not sexual harassment (or worse) I don’t think.

for athletes, no friggin clue what type of insurance this is

Maybe homeowners?
 

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What kind of insurance covers paying someone off so they stop suing you?
Isn't that what insurance is for, generally speaking? If I get into a car accident and it's my fault, my insurance pays out the other parties so they don't/won't sue me for damages.

I can only assume that this is homeowners insurance or something like that. Would kinda make sense if the assault happened in his home.
 

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Isn't that what insurance is for, generally speaking? If I get into a car accident and it's my fault, my insurance pays out the other parties so they don't/won't sue me for damages.

I can only assume that this is homeowners insurance or something like that. Would kinda make sense if the assault happened in his home.
I wouldn't have thought homeowners would cover something illegal/criminal like assault, but I guess you learn something new every day. I get someone falling on your driveway, or your stuff getting stolen/destroyed in a flood/fire...this just seems very different to me.
 

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https://x.com/baueroutage/status/1708904525724270659?s=46&t=Sjcd3Gfg4ew65Si_qTgkiw

Bauer settled his lawsuit against his accuser, with no payments.
His video contains some of the evidence he contends shows he was set up.
what effect this has on his MLB status, or willingness of a team to sign him (with other unsavory allegations against him) is unclear at this point.
The difference between Bauer’s case and other allegations against famous men is that even if you believe Bauer’s version of events, he’s still a piece of shit. I don’t want to root for a guy who gets off on beating the shit out of troubled young women, even if it’s consensual. (And to be clear, I’m skeptical it was.)
 

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According to Bauer (he might be a scumbag but this is too easy to disprove so I would think he's correct here), it's a payout from her insurance. So maybe medical?

https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/former-cy-young-trevor-bauer-speaks-out-after-settling-lawsuit-tied-to-assault-allegations
That would make sense. If her insurance was holding off paying for her medical expenses in the hope (?) that it would be covered by Bauer, then a settlement in which they agree to foot the bill fits. Maybe I'm naive but I would have thought the insurance company would have covered her bills initially and been a co-plaintiff in a suit to recoup those costs from Bauer and/or his insurance.
 

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Oh cool, maybe he can do some State Farm commercials. Bundle home, auto and sexual assault.
 

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The text messages from the girl wanting to get his money are pretty damning. A settlement where he is allowed to talk about seems to mean he won.
There seems a lot of smoke around this guy, so not defending him.
But due process should exist. It is not impossible for somebody to fabricate a claim and for a guy to lose his career over lies.
I expect to get blasted, but the truth needs to come out before people are destroyed.
 

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It reads like she didn’t have much, even the restraining order was not granted.
The restraining order was denied because the judge could not figure out the issue of consent and the victim was "materially misleading" about contact she had with Bauer but the judge hearing TRO called the injuries "terrible."

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/mlb-pitcher-trevor-bauer-dealt-dual-losses-in-defamation-lawsuit-against-woman-accusing-him-of-sexual-assault/

It can all be true that victim suffered injuries, lost TRO, settled without payment for Bauer, and that Bauer likes being "rough" (or even "violent" to women.
 

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It seems like she knew he liked to beat women which is where her plan came from. So one of his teammates encouraged her to blackmail him or am I reading that part wrong? My view would be it does seem like she set him up by knowing how terrible he was but that doesn't redeem him and he should remain banned from baseball for life.
 

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The restraining order was denied because the judge could not figure out the issue of consent and the victim was "materially misleading" about contact she had with Bauer but the judge hearing TRO called the injuries "terrible."

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/mlb-pitcher-trevor-bauer-dealt-dual-losses-in-defamation-lawsuit-against-woman-accusing-him-of-sexual-assault/

It can all be true that victim suffered injuries, lost TRO, settled without payment for Bauer, and that Bauer likes being "rough" (or even "violent" to women.
I'm assuming Bauer likes to beat women, what I have no idea about whether this woman was, in fact, beaten. I thought it was open and shut for a long time, but now I have no idea. I'm just confused.

If Bauer isn't full of shit--not even close to a given--and that video is from when he says it was, it seems really inconsistent with what was reported in the press.

I still see nothing but evidence that he's a piece of shit, but the facts do matter, at least in regard to this case.
 

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The text messages from the girl wanting to get his money are pretty damning. A settlement where he is allowed to talk about seems to mean he won.
There seems a lot of smoke around this guy, so not defending him.
But due process should exist. It is not impossible for somebody to fabricate a claim and for a guy to lose his career over lies.
I expect to get blasted, but the truth needs to come out before people are destroyed.
What process was missing that was due here?
 

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The text messages from the girl wanting to get his money are pretty damning. A settlement where he is allowed to talk about seems to mean he won.
There seems a lot of smoke around this guy, so not defending him.
But due process should exist. It is not impossible for somebody to fabricate a claim and for a guy to lose his career over lies.
I expect to get blasted, but the truth needs to come out before people are destroyed.
Moreover, what's the truth, and who was destroyed? Bauer still has his multi-millions.
 

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Yeah I'm really confused on what to think now after watching Bauer's video. If that video was, in fact, taken the morning after the alleged assault occurred, then... I really don't know. How did she get the injuries that were reported in the press? I remember seeing pictures of dramatic bruising and none of that is present in that video. That doesn't even include the text messages that are very, very damning, before anything even happened.

I think in some ways Bauer was probably railroaded by MLB because of how unspoken he's been when it comes to criticizing the league. There's also the issue of the other lawsuits alleging similar behavior though. Guess a good reminder of innocent until proven guilty and that things aren't always as first they appear.
 

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What process was missing that was due here?
This is a question for lawyers.

For the sake of argument, let's say Bauer is 100% innocent, that he not only didn't do anything illegal, he didn't do anything immoral (I do not believe this is true). He obviously got criminal and civil due process.

Did he get whatever process is agreed to under the MLB CBA--which I assume is all he's entitled to beyond whatever the law sets out? What is MLB's obligation? Does due process only refer to the legal system, not stuff like what a private organization does?
 

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This is a question for lawyers.

For the sake of argument, let's say Bauer is 100% innocent, that he not only didn't do anything illegal, he didn't do anything immoral (I do not believe this is true). He obviously got criminal and civil due process.

Did he get whatever process is agreed to under the MLB CBA--which I assume is all he's entitled to beyond whatever the law sets out? What is MLB's obligation? Does due process only refer to the legal system, not stuff like what a private organization does?
Colloquially both. The Due Process clause of the constitution doesn’t apply, but whatever mechanisms exist in the CBA and broader labor law do.

Basically, I don’t even know what the complaint is here. He got an arbitrator’s hearing (and got his suspension knocked down as a result). He filed multiple defamation lawsuits, including against media for reporting the story. Like, what else do we need?
 

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This is a question for lawyers.

For the sake of argument, let's say Bauer is 100% innocent, that he not only didn't do anything illegal, he didn't do anything immoral (I do not believe this is true). He obviously got criminal and civil due process.

Did he get whatever process is agreed to under the MLB CBA--which I assume is all he's entitled to beyond whatever the law sets out? What is MLB's obligation? Does due process only refer to the legal system, not stuff like what a private organization does?
Yes, as Myt1 says, he got his appeal process due under the CBA. But as per CBA, MLB investigated and found conduct sufficient to warrant an extremely long suspension. I'm sure they found facts that we don't know about, and don't forget, there are multiple other women who have accused Bauer of being violent, consensual or not.

The real legal question is one of consent - did the victim consent to everything that Bauer did. As the TRO judge said, that's much too complicated for a court to decide. But just because Bauer's actions don't meet any legal definition of guilt or even liability, that doesn't mean that Bauer isn't prone to violence against women.
 

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Moreover, what's the truth, and who was destroyed? Bauer still has his multi-millions.
Bauer had his MLB career ruined when he was still at the top of his game, not to mention his reputation. Being rich doesn't make those things irrelevant. We can quibble over the exact definition of "destroyed", but whether you think those consequences were earned or not, I think it's fair to say he suffered considerable damage, even if he wasn't stripped of every asset he owns.
 

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Yes, as Myt1 says, he got his appeal process due under the CBA. But as per CBA, MLB investigated and found conduct sufficient to warrant an extremely long suspension. I'm sure they found facts that we don't know about, and don't forget, there are multiple other women who have accused Bauer of being violent, consensual or not.

The real legal question is one of consent - did the victim consent to everything that Bauer did. As the TRO judge said, that's much too complicated for a court to decide. But just because Bauer's actions don't meet any legal definition of guilt or even liability, that doesn't mean that Bauer isn't prone to violence against women.
Thanks,. Both this and myt1s answer are helpful.