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Hendu for Kutch

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Boooooo! Having a guy eyeball something from 50 feet away and then measuring it down to the inch has always been one of my favorite bits of absurdity that is just accepted in sport.
 

Van Everyman

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Question: will they use the electronic system to place where the ball is marked down as well? I'm all for this but it kind of defeats the purpose if they are still going to place the ball based on where they *believe* the runner went down.

I'd be ok if that were only the case on replay -- ie, measuring where the ball is at the exact moment the replay shows the knee down, etc.
 

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Question: will they use the electronic system to place where the ball is marked down as well? I'm all for this but it kind of defeats the purpose if they are still going to place the ball based on where they *believe* the runner went down.

I'd be ok if that were only the case on replay -- ie, measuring where the ball is at the exact moment the replay shows the knee down, etc.
how could they do it otherwise? Or, how would the tech know where the ball is when a body part hits?
 

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If only there was a sport out there that already tracked the ball's exact location on the field that the NFL could utilize... Just use Fifa's technology and put it in the footballs and track the data in real time.
 

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If only there was a sport out there that already tracked the ball's exact location on the field that the NFL could utilize... Just use Fifa's technology and put it in the footballs and track the data in real time.
That’s great but it is still a judgement as to when the body part hits and which piece of ball gps data you pull, so I would love all the sarcastic responses to explain what this trivial solution that I’m obviously missing is. This solves one problem, knowing where the ball gets to if the runner is not down.
 

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That’s great but it is still a judgement as to when the body part hits and which piece of ball gps data you pull, so I would love all the sarcastic responses to explain what this trivial solution that I’m obviously missing is. This solves one problem, knowing where the ball gets to if the runner is not down.
Agreed...just knowing where the ball is is only half of the problem. So far there isn't a technical solution for the body parts hitting the grounds. You aren't missing anything.
 

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If only there was a sport out there that already tracked the ball's exact location on the field that the NFL could utilize... Just use Fifa's technology and put it in the footballs and track the data in real time.
But you would need to know where the ball is when the knee, or the forearm, or the ass, etc. touches down. Since you can't have those sensors everywhere, there's no simple way to do it unless you're checking a computer on every play with a tackle.
 

Van Everyman

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That’s great but it is still a judgement as to when the body part hits and which piece of ball gps data you pull, so I would love all the sarcastic responses to explain what this trivial solution that I’m obviously missing is. This solves one problem, knowing where the ball gets to if the runner is not down.
My response wasn't sarcastic (perhaps you didn't mean me). I just think this only really works for the 1% of plays* that are reviewed where you can sync those two things up. Which is to say, I don't think it matters as much as writers like Meirov are suggesting.



* Not an actual figure
 

joe dokes

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It doesn't sound like they are changing the ball spotting process, which is truly one of the funniest things about the NFL. It's just a guy, eyeballing while running, at a bad angle.
...looking at two different things simultaneously,
 

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This was a lot of talk today but how many times do they even measure any more? You see it occasionally but I assumed the NFL was just telling the refs half the time if it was good. The chains come out once or twice a game? Sometimes never? It could be some memory bias but years ago it seemed they’d measure 10 times a game.
 

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Didn’t the rule change recently where the ball is always spotted ON the yard mark, even if it’s moved a few inches? So 1st downs should be easy to spot.
I don't think that's a rule so much as an officiating practice. On punts and stuff they seem to always start you exactly on the front of yard line.

Because in the end, that really is the most fucked up part of the whole process. When analyzing whether or not a guy got a first down, we do this entire song and dance about whether it's within an index card of the chains. But the chains got set by eyeball.

The technology may never be good enough to spot where a ball is advanced to during a play based on when a player was down. But it does seem to me that you could very easily let the officials spot the ball, and then draw the lines by computer. I guess where that might get tested is end of game situations where the teams are hurrying, and the center is ready to snap as soon as the ball is made ready. Those are the ones where setting the chains is always hardest I would imagine. And it probably would be the same drawing the lines by computer.
 

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Greatest interior offensive lineman of all time and superhuman Larry Allen passes away at 52. So sad.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40269999/cowboys-hall-famer-larry-allen-dies-suddenly-age-52

Some of his more viral moments:

Chasing down a linebacker and saving Troy Aikman from another concussion.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcWMC9vkZg&pp=ygUibGFycnkgYWxsZW4gY2hhc2VzIGRvd24gbGluZWJhY2tlcg%3D%3D


Bench pressing 705:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-YuvQkSRE&pp=ygUbbGFycnkgYWxsZW4gYmVuY2ggcHJlc3MgNzA1


And while not entirely positive, being asked to block prime Reggie White solo playing out of position as a rookie and generally holding his own speaks to what a great player he was.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F6Dw5BK0c&pp=ygUYbGFycnkgYWxsZW4gcmVnZ2llIHdoaXRl
 

trekfan55

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As long as there are cities willing to giuve NFL owners what they ask, owners will keep asking.
 

nattysez

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$35m/y for Jefferson, $19m/y for McCaffrey. Not that it's news, but mamas, don't let your kids grow up to be RBs.
 

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I dont know anything about BP rules. But it seems like the guys on either end and the spotter where assisting no? Whats the rule on that? You can use all the strength you have in 3 fingers to spot?
 

Salva135

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I'm honestly surprised he's still in the league. He's the poster child of the BB crony-scout accusations, and you really can't blame one guy, but missing on that WR class really did contribute to the end of the dynasty.