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Of these two settings, which one was closer to where Sterling said his idiotic stuff?
The latter, since he knew it was being recorded, and he knows he is a member of a multi-billion dollar business heavily reliant on the people he was insulting. A person has to be pretty stupid to not realize that something being recorded by another person has a chance to become public.
 

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The latter, since he knew it was being recorded, and he knows he is a member of a multi-billion dollar business heavily reliant on the people he was insulting. A person has to be pretty stupid to not realize that something being recorded by another person has a chance to become public.
 
Sterling knew he was being recorded or are you the GF's attorney?
 

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Sterling knew he was being recorded or are you the GF's attorney?
 
A handful of different sources have reported that Sterling and Stiviano regularly recorded their conversations, and that she was acting as his "archivist." She claims that he was 100% aware that he was being recorded.
 

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Proof positive, as if it were needed, there is no safe sex anymore, unless you are Derek Jeter. Billionaire, you lose your franchise; millionaire, your political post; adulterer, your marriage plus you get a thread here; student, maybe you get accused of the sex not being consensual. Be careful out there ...
 

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A handful of different sources have reported that Sterling and Stiviano regularly recorded their conversations, and that she was acting as his "archivist." She claims that he was 100% aware that he was being recorded.
 
I am shocked she would say this, shocked! What does Sterling say? Regardless, I'm still not sure this is just and license to use those recordings to publicly shame someone (though I'll concede it's more gray if he knew). After all, those public school teachers who made sex tapes knew they were making them, even prior to becoming teachers, and then lost their jobs when the tapes were leaked. I think striving for perfect moral behavior among the population, or at least just a certain segment of the population, in the privacy of their own homes is misguided.
 
But, whatever, the debate at this point has become very entrenched with the hardline Leninists advocating the ends justify the means on one side and the Americans on the other (note: this is a joke - please do not fire me!)
 
EDIT: I see now the GF's lawyer is claiming a third party leaked them and she had no idea, none! 
 

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I am shocked she would say this, shocked! What does Sterling say? Regardless, I'm still not sure this is just and license to use those recordings to publicly shame someone (though I'll concede it's more gray if he knew). After all, those public school teachers who made sex tapes knew they were making them, even prior to becoming teachers, and then lost their jobs when the tapes were leaked. I think striving for perfect moral behavior among the population, or at least just a certain segment of the population, in the privacy of their own homes is misguided.
 
But, whatever, the debate at this point has become very entrenched with the hardline Leninists advocating the ends justify the means on one side and the Americans on the other (note: this is a joke - please do not fire me!)
 
EDIT: I see now the GF's lawyer is claiming a third party leaked them and she had no idea, none! 
 
Okay. Just trying to update you on where Cellar-Door's post about him knowing he was being recorded came from.
 

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I think striving for perfect moral behavior among the population,
But that's not what people are advocating. People are advocating "don't be a racist shithead". Sterling wasn't castigated for saying Coke was better than Pepsi, or Val Kilmer was a better Batman than Christian Bale, or even Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a better model for self-actualization than Jungian Therapy. Your slippery slope argument doesn't stick together.

People seem to be saying "Well, yeah, he's a racist so he deserves it, but what other beliefs can others be held accountable for expressing?"

All this hand-wringing and nobody's found a good parallel?
 

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JayMags71 said:
But that's not what people are advocating. People are advocating "don't be a racist shithead". Sterling wasn't castigated for saying Coke was better than Pepsi, or Val Kilmer was a better Batman than Christian Bale, or even Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a better model for self-actualization than Jungian Therapy. Your slippery slope argument doesn't stick together.
 
The problem is that your position is based on the content of the communication being objective to you. While we can agree that the end result is a good thing when the content is racist, what about someone being fired by a Christian University for saying something supportive of gays?
 

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The problem is that your position is based on the content of the communication being objective to you. While we can agree that the end result is a good thing when the content is racist, what about someone being fired by a Christian University for saying something supportive of gays?
Sure. And then the university that does that gets hit with the hammer of public opinion as an object lesson of Why You Don't Do That, You Shitheads.

Actions have consequences. It doesn't stop at the first order.
 

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But that's not what people are advocating. People are advocating "don't be a racist shithead". Sterling wasn't castigated for saying Coke was better than Pepsi, or Val Kilmer was a better Batman than Christian Bale, or even Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a better model for self-actualization than Jungian Therapy. Your slippery slope argument doesn't stick together.

People seem to be saying "Well, yeah, he's a racist so he deserves it, but what other beliefs can others be held accountable for expressing?"

All this hand-wringing and nobody's found a good parallel?
I agree with this. He is being "fired" because the people who have the power to do it think that his positive value is less than the negative value of being associated with his comments. Look no further than the NFL. Plenty of people are unhappy about a team name, but those people are as of yet not powerful enough for the league to decide it is worth it to punish Snyder in any way. If the people who were offended were more powerful (say African Americans) then they would have forced a name change.
 

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EDIT: I see now the GF's lawyer is claiming a third party leaked them and she had no idea, none! 
 
This could all be BS, but last weekend (before the banhammer dropped on Sterling) my buddy had dinner with a current NBA analyst on ESPN. At the time the analyst said this is not going to end well for Sterling. He also said that the rumor he was hearing around the league was that Sterling and GF are in some dispute over money and she was losing the case (argument?) and she played this as her trump card.
 
A cursory search reveals this http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/sterling-lawsuit-against-stiviano.html article that references a lawsuit by Sterling's wife. Perhaps this is the case that was being referred to. The link to the full lawsuit legalese is in the article for all the lawyers to devour if so inclined.
 

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Is this piece of the timeline new?

Stiviano lawyered up. Her attorneys filed a response to the civil suit, asking that the case be dismissed on April 21. Instead, Shelly Sterling's attorneys requested that Stiviano turn over all tapes and recordings made of herself and Sterling. The law compelled her to do so.

Four days later, the tapes surfaced publicly on TMZ.
I don't think I was aware the tapes for-sure passed through the wife's hands. I suppose I consider them equally credible suspects. The timeline fits Shelly, but once they're in the wind there's no real reason for V. not to cash in ahead of the market. The best news is, Roeser clearly flipped (so to speak), and I bet he has all the skeletons.


Edit: also, that piece was a good read. The lede with CJ Paul does a great job of contextualizing the conflicts of working for Sterling that some have called hypocrisy. Between this, Bomani Jones, and Grantland, ESPN has been....dare I say....'good' on this story?
 

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I'm waiting for some contextualizing of the local NAACP chapter teeing up lifetime achievement award #2, when tax records reveal Sterling contributed a mere $5000. Either it sold itself cheaply or there was money under the table. Not holding my breath for that reporting.
 

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I'm as serious as a heart attack. For the past few pages you seem to be arguing that people who say stupid shit are bearing consequences that are too draconian. You can't seem to grasp that there differences in settings where people can say certain things and can get away with them (SoSH), and others settings you can't (the workplace, a newspaper).
I'm confused by a lot in this thread, but particularly this.  I know you're talking about a different incident now, but isn't the thread-sparking incident pretty much dispositive evidence that your dichotomy is false?
 

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But that's not what people are advocating. People are advocating "don't be a racist shithead". Sterling wasn't castigated for HAVING SEX IN HIS HOME, saying Coke was better than Pepsi, or Val Kilmer was a better Batman than Christian Bale, or even Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a better model for self-actualization than Jungian Therapy. Your slippery slope argument doesn't stick together.

People seem to be saying "Well, yeah, he's a racist so he deserves it, but what other beliefs can others be held accountable for expressing?"

All this hand-wringing and nobody's found a good parallel?
 
Fixed your argument for you.
 
EDIT: FWIW, I don't see anyone making the argument "he's a racist so he deserves it, but what other beliefs can others be held... blah blah." Although I'm sure you think you've read that.
 

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JayMags71 said:
Considering Stiviano worked as Sterling's archivist, no. They had a working relationship where she recorded his conversations for his own personal use.
 
Yes. His own personal use seems to fall closer to your SoSH example of posting and not the workplace or newspaper.
 

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Considering Stiviano worked as Sterling's archivist, no. They had a working relationship where she recorded his conversations for his own personal use.
 
Seems to be a stretch to claim that she was an employee, no?
 

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Seems to be a stretch to claim that she was an employee, no?
She says in the Barbara Walters interview that she was his personal assistant and "right hand man", and began as an officially paid employee and then was paid off the books more recently.

She also claims there was no romantic relationship there.

She said the two are not involved romantically and have a financial arrangement.
"He at first started paying me as an employee, and then he started paying me off the books," she said.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/03/us/clippers-stiviano-sterling/
 

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She says in the Barbara Walters interview that she was his personal assistant and "right hand man", and began as an officially paid employee and then was paid off the books more recently.

She also claims there was no romantic relationship there.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/03/us/clippers-stiviano-sterling/
I refuse to pay attention to Barbra Walters so thats on me for not knowing.
 

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I just saw this Stiviano clip with Walters, what is her angle here?
 
Yeah, how about the part where she says that she doesn't think Sterling's racist?
 

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I was talking with some people about this this weekend and we came up with a view that was sorta the inverse of these concerns about being castigated for what one says in private. Basically, given what people have known about Sterling and for how long, it seems more like this is an interesting example of just how much substance to a person's racism has to be presented before there is any public reaction or action taken.
 
Like, you practically have to be seen beating a black man with a stick and shouting "I'm only beating you because you are black and therefore inferior to me!!" to get the ball rolling. If anything, the case, which is exceptional in the evidence presented, demonstrates the norm of inertia with respect to racism--which has been acknowledged in this thread to obviously exist within the ranks of old white rich guys.
 
Seriously. It took a tape of him saying racist things that were so explicitly racist as to be beyond what most racists even admit to themselves about their own beliefs. I mean, motherfucker isn't even in denial or or engaging in self-delusion or anything.
 

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I was talking with some people about this this weekend and we came up with a view that was sorta the inverse of these concerns about being castigated for what one says in private. Basically, given what people have known about Sterling and for how long, it seems more like this is an interesting example of just how much substance to a person's racism has to be presented before there is any public reaction or action taken.
 
Like, you practically have to be seen beating a black man with a stick and shouting "I'm only beating you because you are black and therefore inferior to me!!" to get the ball rolling. If anything, the case, which is exceptional in the evidence presented, demonstrates the norm of inertia with respect to racism--which has been acknowledged in this thread to obviously exist within the ranks of old white rich guys.
 
Seriously. It took a tape of him saying racist things that were so explicitly racist as to be beyond what most racists even admit to themselves about their own beliefs. I mean, motherfucker isn't even in denial or or engaging in self-delusion or anything.
 
In Sterling's case, I think that had more to do with the fact that any party that could have went after him probably had more to lose by doing so than what they had to gain.  He wasn't just a public figure, he was a public figure with outrageous amounts of money by public figure standards.  Not only that, but he's also a person that had a track record for burying people under litigation if they went too far in attempting to cross him.  Basically, unless you had a smoking gun (what just came out), the risk of Sterling deciding to use the immense resources at his disposal to make your life hell was too high to bear.  
 
There's a reason why places like TMZ tend to go after lower wealth celebrities as a general rule as opposed to billionaires.  A pissed off billionaire can make life far tougher on an organization than a random celeb with 10-40 million to their name.  Someone like Sterling is effectively untouchable unless you go after him with ironclad, indefensible evidence. Which thankfully is what he willingly produced in this event. 
 

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http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10892918/nba-legal-strategy-remove-donald-sterling-los-angeles-clippers-owner-emerges
 
While the league's constitution, publicly revealed for the first time by the league last Tuesday, made it clear that grounds exist to remove an owner if that owner "fail(s) or refuse(s) to fulfill its contractual obligations to the Association," it remained unclear what contracts Sterling might have violated when he made his racist statements in a private conversation with his mistress V. Stiviano that was later published by TMZ.
One of those documents, which Sterling signed when he first bought the Clippers in 1981, and signed various amended versions since, states that an owner will not take any position or action that will materially and adversely affect a team or the league. Owners also sign morals clauses, which state that they will be upheld to the highest standard of ethical and moral behavior.
 

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In Sterling's case, I think that had more to do with the fact that any party that could have went after him probably had more to lose by doing so than what they had to gain.  He wasn't just a public figure, he was a public figure with outrageous amounts of money by public figure standards.  Not only that, but he's also a person that had a track record for burying people under litigation if they went too far in attempting to cross him.  Basically, unless you had a smoking gun (what just came out), the risk of Sterling deciding to use the immense resources at his disposal to make your life hell was too high to bear.  
 
There's a reason why places like TMZ tend to go after lower wealth celebrities as a general rule as opposed to billionaires.  A pissed off billionaire can make life far tougher on an organization than a random celeb with 10-40 million to their name.  Someone like Sterling is effectively untouchable unless you go after him with ironclad, indefensible evidence. Which thankfully is what he willingly produced in this event. 
 
I haven't followed this as closely as some, but I've read the basic private v. public speech, "censorship" v. just societal reaction debates.  
 
There still seems to be significant questions as to what happened - for example:
 
- Was the tape intended to be private, recorded speech or public speech?
- Who owned the tape and it's contents?
- Who leaked the tape and what the intention was behind it?  
 
If the tape wasn't intended for public dissemination (whether or not Sterling knew he was being recorded) and was made public to interfere with Sterling's business relationships or contracts or to unfairly attack Sterling's character, Sterling may have both a lawsuit against the disclosing party, and legal theories at his disposal to diminish the importance the tape vis-a-vis the forced sale of the team and the fine.  Hence the tape, while showing racism, may not be "iron-clad indefensible evidence," in the sense that it automatically establishes grounds for a fine or forced sale. 
 
There's also the question of fact as to just what Sterling was talking about.  (I read somewhere that the GF was supposed to use her free tickets to bring young women/eye candy to the front line of the game? - which implies some kind of intent that the tickets be used in a specific marketing way, not that Sterling was excluding only African Americans from an otherwise "open" admission?)  
 
There's also the question as to whether Sterling was somehow baited, or was in a diminished capacity when he made the non-public statement (cancer meds? painkillers?)
 
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For the record, Sterling's history and recent comments are strong indicators that Sterling is what the casual person would refer to as a "racist," (i.e., an active negative discriminator based on racial stereotypes). He also seems to be what a more nuanced person would view as an "institutional" type of racist.  I'm not trying to suggest his comments don't indicate a racist mentality.  
 
I'm just not sure that Sterling's statements (in context of what I've outlined above) can be encompassed by a morals clause.  The more I think about this, the more I believe Sterling might actually win re: the forced sale of the team.  Perhaps also the fine.  Caveat is that we're early into this and now-unreported facts could get this to swing wildly one way or the other.  
 
However, I'm glad Sterling is apparently going to fight this; it means more information is going to come out.  I'm with those who are a bit nervous at the speed with which this all took place.  Sterling may have been an unpopular guy (perhaps justly), but as a society, we have to be careful with how unpopular persons are dealt with, since they are the ones most likely to be pilloried and dismissed.  If the NBA is justified, it will come out via litigation.  If Sterling was baited and targeted, that will also come out - but I very much doubt Sterling comes across as a lily-white victim at the end of all this.  At the very least, a fight will cause the NBA (and other employers) to be more careful in drafting morals clauses and so forth; stronger and more specific contract language can only be a good thing vis-a-vis combating racism. 
 

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Considering Stiviano worked as Sterling's archivist, no. They had a working relationship where she recorded his conversations for his own personal use.
According to whom? The woman who could be facing criminal charges for recording Sterling without his permission and who now claims that she didn't actually leak the tape and is "devastated" that it got out? The one with with 6 aliases who is now being investigated for extortion? The one with a theft conviction and additional arrests?

I mean, I have little idea about what actually happened here, but unless you think that the recording was intended for public consumption by Sterling, I don't think your dichotomy holds much water.
 

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Um, Mrs. Sterling's attorneys requested the tapes from Stiviano, who complied with the court order, turned them over...and four days later, they found their way to TMZ. 
 
I think whether the tape was intended for "public consumption" is irrelevant (maybe not in court, but certain in the jurisdiction of "public opinion"). And I think that regardless of what one thinks of Stiviano or taping, the real (Occam's Razor) culprit here is one of the attorneys or interns who had access to those tapes as part of Mrs. Sterling's lawsuit against Stiviano. I bet someone thought it would be good PR for Mrs. Sterling's suit...and inadvertently blew up the entire Sterling family in the process.
 

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Um, Mrs. Sterling's attorneys requested the tapes from Stiviano, who complied with the court order, turned them over...and four days later, they found their way to TMZ. 
 
I think whether the tape was intended for "public consumption" is irrelevant (maybe not in court, but certain in the jurisdiction of "public opinion"). And I think that regardless of what one thinks of Stiviano or taping, the real (Occam's Razor) culprit here is one of the attorneys or interns who had access to those tapes as part of Mrs. Sterling's lawsuit against Stiviano. I bet someone thought it would be good PR for Mrs. Sterling's suit...and inadvertently blew up the entire Sterling family in the process.
 
Or Mrs. Sterling herself. Who is in line to gain more than her here?
 

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Or Mrs. Sterling herself. Who is in line to gain more than her here?
 
If so, the annual award for World's Greatest Gold Digger can be retired and renamed the Mrs. Sterling Trophy For Trophy Wives.
 

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Um, Mrs. Sterling's attorneys requested the tapes from Stiviano, who complied with the court order, turned them over...and four days later, they found their way to TMZ. 
 
I think whether the tape was intended for "public consumption" is irrelevant (maybe not in court, but certain in the jurisdiction of "public opinion"). And I think that regardless of what one thinks of Stiviano or taping, the real (Occam's Razor) culprit here is one of the attorneys or interns who had access to those tapes as part of Mrs. Sterling's lawsuit against Stiviano. I bet someone thought it would be good PR for Mrs. Sterling's suit...and inadvertently blew up the entire Sterling family in the process.
 
Just because you've received something in discovery does not mean you can publish it to the world or inform others.  There are plenty of cases which have additional claims brought due to the conduct of the parties in litigation.  
 
In terms of league punishment though, it looks like we're potentially talking about: a private recorded conversation, which is turned over to a third party only pursuant to a discovery request or court order, which is then published without permission, possibly in violation of law or ethical rules?   What's Sterling's bad act in that scenario?  Private speech?  
 

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Just because you've received something in discovery does not mean you can publish it to the world or inform others.  There are plenty of cases which have additional claims brought due to the conduct of the parties in litigation.  
 
In terms of league punishment though, it looks like we're potentially talking about: a private recorded conversation, which is turned over to a third party only pursuant to a discovery request or court order, which is then published without permission, possibly in violation of law or ethical rules?   What's Sterling's bad act in that scenario?  Private speech?  
 
No, but they're called leaks for a reason. 
 
In terms of the league, I imagine they don't care about the legal admissibility (in a court of law) of the tapes because this isn't going to court. Per the league constitution, the NBA simply needs to show an arbitrator that Sterling's continued membership in the cartel will hurt the cartel's profitability. The NBAPA proposed walkout/boycott is probably exhibit B, right after the letters from sponsors cancelling or threatening to cancel contracts under the morals clause(s). 
 
And seriously, if Mrs. Sterling personally leaked the tapes as leverage in a divorce/hostile takeover of the Clippers, she has got Saturn Nuts.
 

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No, but they're called leaks for a reason. 
 
In terms of the league, I imagine they don't care about the legal admissibility (in a court of law) of the tapes because this isn't going to court. Per the league constitution, the NBA simply needs to show an arbitrator that Sterling's continued membership in the cartel will hurt the cartel's profitability. The NBAPA proposed walkout/boycott is probably exhibit B, right after the letters from sponsors cancelling or threatening to cancel contracts under the morals clause(s). 
 
And seriously, if Mrs. Sterling personally leaked the tapes as leverage in a divorce/hostile takeover of the Clippers, she has got Saturn Nuts.
 
I haven't read the NBA constitution.  Is it as simple as that? 
 

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No, but they're called leaks for a reason. 
 
In terms of the league, I imagine they don't care about the legal admissibility (in a court of law) of the tapes because this isn't going to court. Per the league constitution, the NBA simply needs to show an arbitrator that Sterling's continued membership in the cartel will hurt the cartel's profitability. The NBAPA proposed walkout/boycott is probably exhibit B, right after the letters from sponsors cancelling or threatening to cancel contracts under the morals clause(s). 
 
And seriously, if Mrs. Sterling personally leaked the tapes as leverage in a divorce/hostile takeover of the Clippers, she has got Saturn Nuts.
 
Less Saturn Nuts than it would take an attorney jeopardizing his or her career and really pissing off a very rich client by leaking those tapes without her consent?
 
If the tapes were leaked by Mrs. Sterling, I assume spite is at least an equal partner to greed in the motivation department.
 

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I haven't read the NBA constitution.  Is it as simple as that? 
 
As I said earlier in the thread, referring to it as the NBA Constitution makes it sound a lot more important than it is.  It's essentially a franchise agreement.
 
And yes, within that agreement there is a clause that allows Silver to take steps to remove a member if that member's continued ownership of a franchise will cause economic damage to the NBA.  Whether Silver is applying the clause correctly or not is a matter for future arbitration/litigation, but my understanding is that the nature of the recordings, why they were made and whether they were intended to be private won't factor into it.  All Silver needed to do was to establish that they were genuine, and Sterling acknowledged that they were.
 

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As I see it (IANAL alert!), the NBA doesn't need to concern themselves with the legality of the recordings. Sponsors have already walked. Millions of dollars has been lost. There is no dispute this owner's actions have harmed the brand and the checkbook. The NBA really only needs to establish that Sterling's character is a continued liability to future NBA earnings.

Edit: or what AR said.
 

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I haven't read the NBA constitution.  Is it as simple as that? 
No. If it were, people would not be floating 33-yr old agreements Sterling allegedly signed when he joined the League. And if it were that simple, an owner could be tossed for mere incompetence, which surely injures the League "or a team". Under that standard, they could and probably would have flushed Sterling long ago.

Under the Constitution, the owner has to willfully violate an obligation to be thrown out. "Willfulness" surely resonates with you; others slept in Holiday Inns last night.

This is a litigation gold mine if one is so inclined.
 

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No. If it were, people would not be floating 33-yr old agreements Sterling allegedly signed when he joined the League. And if it were that simple, an owner could be tossed for mere incompetence, which surely injures the League "or a team". Under that standard, they could and probably would have flushed Sterling long ago.

Under the Constitution, the owner has to willfully violate an obligation to be thrown out. "Willfulness" surely resonates with you; others slept in Holiday Inns last night.

This is a litigation gold mine if one is so inclined.
 
Cute line but you've missed the provision that this isn't a court of law, it's a cartel meeting of the other 29 members. And the clause is so vaguely written that they'll surely write a new one before voting out Sterling based on the economic harm to the cartel that AR summarized before. And then Sterling will try to litigate and maybe he even wins on some legal wording far in the future, after he's been ousted and team sold. Then, it's just a CTC situation, as Rasheed would say. 
 
Unless Silver is a complete idiot, he's gone to every major sponsor's contract with the league and reviewed the morality clauses. Tack those to the vaguely worded morality clause in the NBA cartel agreement (or constitution, it really doesn't matter) and hand it to the arbitrator with a $ figure attached. "The NBA stood to lose $XXX millions in sponsorship revenues, as well as the threat from labor to boycott and related damages because Mr. Sterling's admitted comments reached the public."
 

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dcmissle said:
No. If it were, people would not be floating 33-yr old agreements Sterling allegedly signed when he joined the League. And if it were that simple, an owner could be tossed for mere incompetence, which surely injures the League "or a team". Under that standard, they could and probably would have flushed Sterling long ago.

Under the Constitution, the owner has to willfully violate an obligation to be thrown out. "Willfulness" surely resonates with you; others slept in Holiday Inns last night.

This is a litigation gold mine if one is so inclined.
 
I tend to agree with you that Silver's expansive reading of the agreement does make the NBA commissioner extraordinarily powerful.  But the reality is that the owners can limit his powers in if they think his actions are not in keeping with the best interests of the league, so there's a self-correcting nature to this expansion.
 
I would also point out that no one that I know of is denying that this will be the source of litigation for as long as Sterling can stay alive.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Um, Mrs. Sterling's attorneys requested the tapes from Stiviano, who complied with the court order, turned them over...and four days later, they found their way to TMZ. 
 
I think whether the tape was intended for "public consumption" is irrelevant (maybe not in court, but certain in the jurisdiction of "public opinion"). And I think that regardless of what one thinks of Stiviano or taping, the real (Occam's Razor) culprit here is one of the attorneys or interns who had access to those tapes as part of Mrs. Sterling's lawsuit against Stiviano. I bet someone thought it would be good PR for Mrs. Sterling's suit...and inadvertently blew up the entire Sterling family in the process.
I think that has Occam's Razor backwards, but it's probably just a matter of my experience.

Something like these tapes was probably produced subject to a confidentiality agreement or protective order and I think it's less likely, though not impossible, that an attorney for Mrs. Sterling thought it was a good idea to leak something that could put her estranged husband's most valuable asset at risk when she would be more likely to derive income from it in a divorce or after his death. Maybe there's some sort of a prenup, though.

Regardless, my point was more about JayMag's notion that there's an active public/private speech dichotomy that actually exists (and I'm speaking normatively, not legally) and that this tape fell on the public side of that line because of some alleged "employment" as an "archivist." Even if tapes were made with Sterling's permission, unless you think he intended for the tapes to be public, I don't see how his assertion can be correct. If I take notes in my planner that I don't intend to share with the public at large, I don't think that my creation of a document with my thoughts puts those into the public portion of the venn diagram.

For me, this is a more interesting discussion than whether an old racist that every one knows is a racist shitbag is a racist shitbag.