Mayo is the New Coach

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I don’t like the move. I have no idea how I’d be if I liked the move - mostly because I don’t like the move.
That is fair. But, it is clear that the move was not rushed. There was a succession plan in place and Kraft executed it.

GM is next. Then figure out OC and the remaining staff.

With the state of the defense, a top 3 pick, and the cap space, I doubt we see anything close to the early 90s redux of multiple 2-15, 3-14, 4-13 seasons.
 

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I love Mayo, but not sure I love this. I think I would have preferred Vrabel, who I also have an irrational love for. However, I’ll assume Kraft etc are smarter than I am.
 

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I like Mayo a lot as coach. My only concern, and it was reported by someone yesterday (Curran?), is that the front office is status quo as part of this. IMO, Groh and Wolf are not it.

But I think the cake is baked, what GM would come in after coach is selected and how empowered would they be?

Kraft spoke yesterday about how the organizational structure with Bill in a reduced capacity wouldn’t have worked. So how does this work? Mayo reports directly to Kraft?
 

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Given this news, it seems absolutely critical they nail the OC hire. Anyone more knowledgeable than myself have any plausible OC candidates they’d be excited about?

My hope is that the organization look outside BoB and Josh. New ideas would be refreshing

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Is it really a "new era" if we hire a guy who we expect to continue "the culture"?

It seems like Mayo has a lot of the strengths of Belichick but not as much as BB, and he is nicer. And he has nowhere near the experience or respect around the league or experience with offenses.

I get that BB's methods in practice and discipline may not work if he was just Joe Smith but he is not Joe Smith. Players listen.

If this was the move, I don't really see why he couldn't get another year to see what kind of improvement they showed. Will depend on the other coaches and GM of course. Hopefully they have some people in mind already and Mayo can have a good relationship with them.
 

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One thing this definitely (as far as we know) was not was "rushed". This plan has been in place for a long time and they're obviously very, very comfortable with Mayo as the HC. And that gives me confidence. They've done well hiring front office people.
They love him, for now. If they don’t get their offense in order in the next two years, starting with a QB, he will lose favor really quickly. They have to get the #3 pick right.
 

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Was he? I think we feel that way because of all the winning, but... he had many scandals, was boring as hell in the press, and expressed some polarizing political opinions. I'm a fan but I wouldn't call it an easy experience.
First of all, who cares about being boring in the press? Wasn't BB pretty much the epitome of that?
Secondly, you need to back up your claim about the "many scandals". I don't remember any aside from stupid spygate and more stupid deflategate
And finally, who cares about polarizing political opinions?
 
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Not singling you out, but I don’t get this need a more modern approach thing in regards to Bill. 2018 wasn’t a hundred years ago. They fell off because the greatest player in the history of the sport left, and for a variety of reasons, their overall talent level, particularly on offense, degraded. I don’t think the game left Bill behind, or he no longer knows how to manage and lead players.
Hard disagree. I think the lack of openness to modern day analytics has permeated the entire organization: From bringing in talent through the draft, to putting the right players on the field to game day strategy. My hope is that a (much) younger coach will embrace this fundamental shift in team building as well as game planning and inject some new thinking into a a system that already has a good infrastructure that Bill built over time.
 

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Given this news, it is absolutely critical they nail the OC hire. Anyone more knowledgeable than myself have any plausible OC candidates they’d be excited about?

My hope is that the organization look outside BoB and Josh. New ideas would be refreshing
Its not absolutely critical. If Mayo and whomever they hire as GM and the other coordinators don't get it done and/or whomever they draft at three busts, the Pats will reset and do it again. Like most NFL teams.
 

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Given this news, it is absolutely critical they nail the OC hire. Anyone more knowledgeable than myself have any plausible OC candidates they’d be excited about?

My hope is that the organization look outside BoB and Josh. New ideas would be refreshing
Kint Kubiak, the 49ers passing game coordinator
Zac Robinson- the Rams passing game coordinator and QB coach
Thomas Brown - Panthers OC
 

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We got an up and coming defensive genius who’s now the youngest coach in the league? Sweeeet! Great first move. Now for the other pieces.
 

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Not a fan of this move. If we were going to go this route, I would have preferred Vrabel because he has proven he can do it. Replacing BB is a tall task for anyone, asking a first time HC to do it is a really tall order. Let's now go get a dynamic offensive mind in here to work with him as OC.

Hope I'm wrong.

We're on to the GM search...
Probably a good thing the Titans were willing to take a chance on a promising defensive coordinator with no head coaching experience when they hired Vrabel.

I like the hire. The man who made it has a proven track record of knowing what he's doing when he selects head coaches.
 

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Hard disagree. I think the lack of openness to modern day analytics has permeated the entire organization: From bringing in talent through the draft, to putting the right players on the field to game day strategy. My hope is that a (much) younger coach will embrace this fundamental shift in team building as well as game planning and inject some new thinking into a a system that already has a good infrastructure that Bill built over time.
Equally hard disagree on gameday stuff at least. With 2 exceptions, that team was very well prepared to play this year, particularly on defense. And it was, IMO, the complete disaster at QB, and for long stretches, offensive line, that did them in. Not poor game plans or strategy. It was a fatal talent deficit at a few key positions.
 

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Was he? I think we feel that way because of all the winning, but... he had many scandals, was boring as hell in the press, and expressed some polarizing political opinions. I'm a fan but I wouldn't call it an easy experience.
I’ll take the overblown scandals (not even sure how his pressers made it difficult for fans?) with the two decades of relevance and success. And get outta here with the ‘expressing polarizing political opinions’ but - he didn’t get up at the RNC and declare his support for a candidate or publish a policy platform. Trump - a renowned narcissist - shared in a campaign stump speech a private letter from Belichick expressing personal support for Trump; it wasn’t the Port Huron Statement.
 

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Zac Robinson- the Rams passing game coordinator and QB coach
He's be my first choice and there isn't a close second. I was pushing for him last offseason.

One additional thought about my last post: People point to Brady leaving as the downfall of the organization. IMO, the larger loss was Ernie Adams. The team has been in a nosedive ever since and not being able to/willing to replace the analytical braintrust of the organization has been a significant mistake by Belichick.
 

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Wow players and former players seems to LOVE this. One after another popping up with glowing support on Twitter

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He's be my first choice and there isn't a close second. I was pushing for him last offseason.

One additional thought about my last post: People point to Brady leaving as the downfall of the organization. IMO, the larger loss was Ernie Adams. The team has been in a nosedive ever since and not being able to/willing to replace the analytical braintrust of the organization has been a significant mistake by Belichick.
Agreed. Scar, also. The line has been a problem ever since he retired.
 

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So maybe it wasn’t the Kraft’s who leaked all those mean stories about Mayo?

The plan a year ago was for Mayo to succeed BB. Kraft is executing on that plan, makes sense to me. Imagine he would lose a lot of credibility with players if he reneged and went with Vrabel or something.
Joe Judge is the prime suspect for internal grumbling about Mayo.

Kraft's plan (now accelerated) set in motion a year back got Mayo's contract done but also seems to have brought in O'Brien. Given that, I expect O'Brien to stay on as OC unless he nabs a head coach slot elsewhere. I realize that doesn't excite folks, but there's value in Mayo having O'B and his extensive experience on the staff. O'Brien's recent stint at Alabama shows he's not wedded to the Ehrhardt-Perkins offensive system.
 

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THIS speaks volumes to me. We've got ONE PERSON in our org who deals with data. We are WAY behind the times. MIller wears WAY too many hats and can't possibly innovate when he's responsible for the cap, finances and player analytics.

 

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I’ll take the overblown scandals (not even sure how his pressers made it difficult for fans?) with the two decades of relevance and success. And get outta here with the ‘expressing polarizing political opinions’ but - he didn’t get up at the RNC and declare his support for a candidate or publish a policy platform. Trump - a renowned narcissist - shared in a campaign stump speech a private letter from Belichick expressing personal support for Trump; it wasn’t the Port Huron Statement.
I referenced it in the least partisan and incendiary way possible, I thought, but sure, mia culpa for "expressing", perhaps "having" was a more accurate word I should have used. So let me try again: it was sometimes hard for some fans (like me) to root for someone with such apparent reverence for that particular politician. It's wonderful that you were not bothered, I was, no judgment either way.

Edit: and just for context, I wanted to keep BB. But as far as "easy" to root for, no, not always.
 

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The strength of the current/near future roster as constructed is the defense and this should provide some level of continuity. If there's anything to "culture", that also carries along. It's the offense that probably could use a clean break. Will be interested to see what happens there. Would be odd for Josh to come back and serve under a rookie HC? - wouldn't be a break per se from current offensive direction, but he seems to work well with young QBs. I'm guessing it will be someone new outside the current E-P offensive system and a complete overhaul.

Will also be interesting to see if Steve B. stays. He may be at a point in his career where a break from his father makes sense.
 

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Joe Judge is the prime suspect for internal grumbling about Mayo.

Kraft's plan (now accelerated) set in motion a year back got Mayo's contract done but also seems to have brought in O'Brien. Given that, I expect O'Brien to stay on as OC unless he nabs a head coach slot elsewhere. I realize that doesn't excite folks, but there's value in Mayo having O'B and his extensive experience on the staff. O'Brien's recent stint at Alabama shows he's not wedded to the Ehrhardt-Perkins offensive system.
I dont really need to see a link, but I only recall the glowing stories about Mayo. (That said, I'm not usually hunting for this stuff). Can someone summarize the "grumbling."
 

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THIS speaks volumes to me. We've got ONE PERSON in our org who deals with data. We are WAY behind the times. MIller wears WAY too many hats and can't possibly innovate when he's responsible for the cap, finances and player analytics.

I wouldn't necessarily say the number of analysts is a direct line to football success (Cleveland has 9 people doing it and still thought giving Watson that contract was a good idea), but I do agree with the general idea that we need more people in that department.
 

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I don't see a lot of correlation between the teams that have a lot of data guys and the teams that have consistent success.

Someone has to train the players to execute what they want to do. It can definitely be helpful in drafting but I think the value is limited in the NFL.
 

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Joe Judge is the prime suspect for internal grumbling about Mayo.

Kraft's plan (now accelerated) set in motion a year back got Mayo's contract done but also seems to have brought in O'Brien. Given that, I expect O'Brien to stay on as OC unless he nabs a head coach slot elsewhere. I realize that doesn't excite folks, but there's value in Mayo having O'B and his extensive experience on the staff. O'Brien's recent stint at Alabama shows he's not wedded to the Ehrhardt-Perkins offensive system.
Judge can't leave fast enough. That guy is the worst. If ever there was a fair criticism of Bill's judgment, it's keeping him around.

If BOB can now bring some of his guys in, maybe there's potential there. It's not exciting but they could do a lot worse. All hinges on the QB of course.
 

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THIS speaks volumes to me. We've got ONE PERSON in our org who deals with data. We are WAY behind the times. MIller wears WAY too many hats and can't possibly innovate when he's responsible for the cap, finances and player analytics.
TIL Joe Andruzzi works in football data analytics, and is not a fireman.

Point very much taken though. The Pats need to get more modern with player procurement, and get a GM who values those details. My sincere hope was BB would recognize this and invite a GM to join the party. Instead, we have Mayo, who is clearly deeply respected by current and former players. Get em some talent, Theo!
 

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Big downgrade in the forum subtitle.

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The New England Patriots forum. In Belichick We Trust. Mayo will be fine if they get the GM right some posters guess.
 

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I dont really need to see a link, but I only recall the glowing stories about Mayo. (That said, I'm not usually hunting for this stuff). Can someone summarize the "grumbling."
I missed those gumbling-about-Mayo stories as well, and would also appreciate a summary.
 

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Personally I hope they purge the staff of all of Bill's crony and nepotism hires, it is the thing I liked about BB the least and IMO at least partially led to his downfall. I know it is the NFL and some of that is par for the course, but Steve really needs to go elsewhere and prove he's actually a good coach and not just the son of a good coach.
I know. I wish Mike Shannahan got rid of his son and all of his friends!!!! Clearly they weren't actually talented on their own.
 
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Looking at it another way, Kraft has a keen eye for managerial/coaching talent for 30 years. Puts Mayo in pretty good company that the organization felt this strongly about him as a leader.
people keep saying this but Grier was awful and Carroll was a terrible head coach back in 1997 and only became a good coach through experience at USC.

yeah, Kraft nailed it with hiring BB but there’s a tiny data set here upon which to draw conclusions about his ability to hire talent
 

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I’m fired up about Mayo. I’ve loved him since day one, but I even watched his silly show with Curran, etc.

I think the part of the game that’s passed BB by is the interpersonal relations stuff - players these days are hyper online, play video games on twitch, manage their social brands, etc, and Bill had no time for any of that.

Mayo can authentically tell players that he both knows the “way to win” AND the way to usher them into careers after playing, etc.

I’m not saying Bill didn’t connect with players as people. It’s clear from statements by people like Malcolm Butler that Bill really did care and connect. It’s more that Mayo might be able to connect with them a bit better on the culture of being a professional athlete today and how to translate on-field success to off-field success.

And sometimes you just need a different voice to tell you the same thing.