His 3 point shot looked good as well, pretty clean stroke. Be interesting if he gets some run with the C's with Hayward out. I'd guess he gets another few games in Maine, and if he continues to look good he'll get some minutes in Boston.
Impressive.
He’s also solid with the rip-and-go off the catch, which is important for wings in the Celtics offense.Looks comfortable going right or left and finishes calmly with either hand.
It’s more a function of Wannamaker being a complementary guy. I’d rather play him with Kemba, but I’d rather play Waters if there’s no Kemba.Of course all the usual caveats about how +/- is not a good stat, especially when looking at an individual game. But, Waters was +20 last night and Wannamaker was -22. That's a wee bit of a difference between the two.
Despite the height differential, I feel like Waters with his quick hands and ability to get steals is not too bad at the defensive end. He also has a better 3P shot, as well, I believe.
Yeah, pretty much agree with everything here. And as mentioned above, he meshes well with their current core.Only basing this off last night but Waters may very well be that player we've been looking for that can cover the quicker guards that Marcus Smart can't.
I think he should be on the Celtics for good tbh. He has a role. He's a better playmaker than Wanamaker/Edwards and is a pest on defense. I don't think it's a given Edwards will be better than Waters from deep either. Waters is just the more complete player. We saw the value he added yesterday even when his shot wasn't falling.
Of course if they turned Waters contract into a full NBA contract, they'd have to release someone and I don't see that happening. At least not this early in the season.
I'd say just get rid of Poirier because he doesn't even play but who knows.
When he and Edwards were playing together, the defense fell apart. I'm pretty sure all of Edwards minutes were with Waters on the floor, actually. In those 13 minutes, they were -7. In the 7 minutes Waters played without Edwards, he was +27.Yeah, pretty much agree with everything here. And as mentioned above, he meshes well with their current core.
If they want him in Maine awhile to work on jacking 3s, that’s ok I guess. But he’s close to the point where he needs to play against NBA competition, and imo that’s more important than saving a year of his time or keeping Poirier (who Brad seems to think is a total stiff).
Wanamaker is fine from 3, he shot 41% last season and has hit 92% of his FTs this year (86% last season). Brad is a decent shooter. Shooting 3s isn't Tremonts calling card, its ball penetration, handling/running the offense (which lets the wings find their spots) and his on-ball defense.Despite the height differential, I feel like Waters with his quick hands and ability to get steals is not too bad at the defensive end. He also has a better 3P shot, as well, I believe.
ALL of this is incorrect.When he and Edwards were playing together, the defense fell apart. I'm pretty sure all of Edwards minutes were with Waters on the floor, actually. In those 13 minutes, they were -7. In the 7 minutes Waters played without Edwards, he was +27.
I think that back court was more out of necessity due to injury tho. It'll be interesting how Brad will juggle the roster if they both get going and the team is fully healthy. I don't think you can get away with playing Waters and Edwards together regularly.
He played 4:21 without Waters and was a -6 in that time. So when Edwards played with Waters, he was actually -1. So in 11 minutes without Carsen, Waters was +21.Wanamaker is fine from 3, he shot 41% last season and has hit 90% of his FTs. Brad is a decent shooter. Shooting 3s isn't Tremonts calling card, its ball penetration, handling/running the offense (which lets the wings find their spots) and his on ball defense.
ALL of this is incorrect.
They didn't play together in the first half at the end of Q1/beg of Q2 when Sac built a big lead.
and Waters didn't post a plus 27 in 7 minutes without Carson.
Edwards played better, off the ball, with Waters as Brad noted in his post-game presser. They were a net positive when they played together.
I love me some Tremont Waters, but pump the brakes a hair folks
And yet, when the Kings had the chance to inbound the ball with 5 seconds remaining, all they could get off was an air ball.Nobody could guard Hield again last night. There was one play, can't remember when it was in the game, but SAC was coming in off a timeout or some stoppage of play - with a few second to shoot, and somehow Hield was open for a wide open 3. It was like - there's ONE PLAYER you need to guard in that situation. One player! I didn't recall seeing Waters ever guarding Hield. Seemed like it was often Smart or Brown. Waters might just have been too small to guard him - no idea. But, he should have at least been able to keep up with him. However, guarding around screens seems to be a tough thing to pick up for NBA rookies. A lot of them really suck at it - see Edwards, Carsen.
listen to Brad's presser, contradicts your final point. He liked how Waters and Carsen played togetherHe played 4:21 without Waters and was a -6 in that time. So when Edwards played with Waters, he was actually -1. So in 11 minutes without Carsen, Waters was +21.
And it's +\-. Everyone knows the flaws of +\-, nothing to bump the brakes about.
Ain't getting nothing back for Poirier, though if by "ships out" you mean "sends back to France," I'm with you, with the caveat being that Celtics big men are made of glass, so you never know when you'll need another one. However, Poirier's been a big zero so far; it was probably a bad omen that he played summer league for the Nets a couple of seasons ago -- the Nets, who probably could've used a decent backup big man -- and they didn't see enough in his game at that meager level to keep him around.So I'm guessing that they will do everything they can to avoid cutting someone until they make a move that ships out a player such as Poirier
To clarify, they are not getting anything back just for Poirier. However, he could be a throw-in piece of a multi-player deal to help make the numbers work on the salary cap front; aka, ballastAin't getting nothing back for Poirier, though if by "ships out" you mean "sends back to France," I'm with you, with the caveat being that Celtics big men are made of glass, so you never know when you'll need another one. However, Poirier's been a big zero so far; it was probably a bad omen that he played summer league for the Nets a couple of seasons ago -- the Nets, who probably could've used a decent backup big man -- and they didn't see enough in his game at that meager level to keep him around.
Some of this is backed in to playing 2 guys who are shorter than 6 feet together. That's only going to be a good option in favorable situations. But Waters will spent most of the year in the G, barring catastrophe.When he and Edwards were playing together, the defense fell apart. I'm pretty sure all of Edwards minutes were with Waters on the floor, actually. In those 13 minutes, they were -7. In the 7 minutes Waters played without Edwards, he was +27.
I think that back court was more out of necessity due to injury tho. It'll be interesting how Brad will juggle the roster if they both get going and the team is fully healthy. I don't think you can get away with playing Waters and Edwards together regularly.
Late in the game, I remember being dumbfounded on one play in particular where Marcus helped off of Hield, who drained a 3.Nobody could guard Hield again last night. There was one play, can't remember when it was in the game, but SAC was coming in off a timeout or some stoppage of play - with a few second to shoot, and somehow Hield was open for a wide open 3. It was like - there's ONE PLAYER you need to guard in that situation. One player! I didn't recall seeing Waters ever guarding Hield. Seemed like it was often Smart or Brown. Waters might just have been too small to guard him - no idea. But, he should have at least been able to keep up with him. However, guarding around screens seems to be a tough thing to pick up for NBA rookies. A lot of them really suck at it - see Edwards, Carsen.
I think it is good that Poirier is around. I would not bet against him playing some sort of meaningful role at some point this season. He's pretty obviously #4 among Celtics centers now, and that is unlikely to change, but the 3 in front of him each have their issues, including keeping healthy.Ain't getting nothing back for Poirier, though if by "ships out" you mean "sends back to France," I'm with you, with the caveat being that Celtics big men are made of glass, so you never know when you'll need another one. However, Poirier's been a big zero so far; it was probably a bad omen that he played summer league for the Nets a couple of seasons ago -- the Nets, who probably could've used a decent backup big man -- and they didn't see enough in his game at that meager level to keep him around.
Yes, I remember that one. Marcus had some amazing defensive play in that game (the steal near the very end for example) but that particular play seemed pretty boneheaded.Late in the game, I remember being dumbfounded on one play in particular where Marcus helped off of Hield, who drained a 3.
I think he stole the ball once, or at least knocked it away (it might have eventually gone out of bounds off the C's). But either way, he was effective (of course in super limited sample size).I remember Waters covering Buddy at least twice, and he didn't score either time.
SSS aside, Waters' defense was impressive on Buddy.I remember Waters covering Buddy at least twice, and he didn't score either time.
You know that I love the guy, so grain of salt and all that...but the fact that he didn't look totally and completely lost on defense in his first NBA game says something about him. Pretty much everyone looks hopeless navigating screens in year one, let alone game one.SSS aside, Waters' defense was impressive on Buddy.
I'd like to see if Tremont is capable of aggressively going over screens versus elite 3pt shooters since the C's have been lit up by Hield 2x/Beal/Lowry/Lou Will this season.
If Waters is defensively elite/capable, he leapfrogs into a valuable rotational player that the Celtics have needed for a few years now.
Waters seems like mini-Smart. Where Smart can cover 7 footers he shouldn’t be able to, Waters can cover 6-7 guys he shouldn’t be able to.I remember Waters covering Buddy at least twice, and he didn't score either time.
Thank goodness everyone else from this class looks good because he's sure looking like a bustCan this Langford ever get on the court? Summer league - injured. Pre-season, mostly injured. Red Claws, only played in two games.
It’s exceedingly early.Thank goodness everyone else from this class looks good because he's sure looking like a bust
Danny just needs to move on from Old ManTatum to find Romeo minutes!Yeah next week Langford will come back, score 30 points and everyone will be talking about how he should be part of the regular rotation.
Just re-watched the game. It was just after TL blocked BB. Cs were playing their diamond zone; Smart was doing some coaching and I think TW missed his assignment..Nobody could guard Hield again last night. There was one play, can't remember when it was in the game, but SAC was coming in off a timeout or some stoppage of play - with a few second to shoot, and somehow Hield was open for a wide open 3. It was like - there's ONE PLAYER you need to guard in that situation. One player! I didn't recall seeing Waters ever guarding Hield. Seemed like it was often Smart or Brown. Waters might just have been too small to guard him - no idea. But, he should have at least been able to keep up with him. However, guarding around screens seems to be a tough thing to pick up for NBA rookies. A lot of them really suck at it - see Edwards, Carsen.
As long as Romeo is hitting the weight room and working on his jump shot I'm not sure I care how many G-League minutes he gets.Thank goodness everyone else from this class looks good because he's sure looking like a bust
depending on Smart's health, they may need to swap out Carsen to Maine for Tremont.Celtics rookie Tremont Waters named NBA G League Player of the Month
https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-rookie-tremont-waters-named-214424379.html
it doesn't. They can pick 13 players out of 17 to suit up on any given night. Waters would just take Smart's spot.Why would that mean putting someone on bus to Maine? Did that happen last time Waters and Tacko came up?
Carsen lacks some confidence at the moment. Two games in Maine (the 13th&15th) where he takes 20 shots/game could help.I can see both arguments. However, when we hit the postseason and the rotation shortens, there's not going to be a lot of minutes for Waters that Kemba, Smart, and Wannamaker don't take up. I can see a role for a shooter off the bench though.
It's a decent problem to have though.