Raises hand.I don't really care one way or the other but he also seemed to sabotage a playoff series and most fans hold grudges for that kind of thing for a looooong time.
Raises hand.I don't really care one way or the other but he also seemed to sabotage a playoff series and most fans hold grudges for that kind of thing for a looooong time.
Well that’s kinda silly. Every player says that when asked.He claimed to love Boston and wanted to be here forever until suddenly he didn’t. Boston fans not liking him isn’t any more complicated than that.
My apologies. You are correct.I really don’t care about the rest, but the idea that a Jewish person can offer absolution for antisemitism is wrong, and kind of offensive besides.
Well we certainly shouldn't hate him for that reason, now.He claimed to love Boston and wanted to be here forever until suddenly he didn’t. Boston fans not liking him isn’t any more complicated than that.
That same asshole has lost 10 straight to Boston since stomping on Lucky. Schadenfreude, indeed.I will add one more: Stepping on the Cs logo was petty, classless and douchey. It’s not as if the logo is sacred. But only an asshole would do that after a series win.
How many players in the past 20 (30, 40) years have publicly and explicitly said they would re-sign with a team and then didn't?Well that’s kinda silly. Every player says that when asked.
My apologies. You are correct.
I could even somewhat look back his statement (which as you note was oddly direct and 100% NOT what pending free agents typically say in that situation) and write it off similar to the Decision with Lebron, were it not for other factors. He was a free agent that left as he certainly had the freedom to do, saying and doing things along the way that were somewhat thoughtless but not enough to kill him over. What is enough to make him persona non grata in Boston forever is him recruiting for his next team during the regular season with the Celtics (as reports that came out later indicated), and he absolutely quit on the team early in the Milwaukee series (shooting .301 from the field over 4 games would make even Anthony Edwards blush). There were other reports of him basically giving everyone the cold shoulder for most of the year, similar to reports in Cleveland.How many players in the past 20 (30, 40) years have publicly and explicitly said they would re-sign with a team and then didn't?
It's an extremely rare case--that much seems impossible to deny unless you are just trying to be boringly contrarian.
Oh, is that how it happened with Kyrie? Just, like, run of the mill answer to a question, huh?Every player says that when asked.
He has essentially quit on his last two teams, at least one of whom had championship aspirations. Players say a lot of things so I don't care that much about the pledges to the fans but he's clearly incredibly selfish at best.I don't really care one way or the other but he also seemed to sabotage a playoff series and most fans hold grudges for that kind of thing for a looooong time.
He has said, and as recently as last week, that someone in his family died that season and he didn't handle it well. I think he's been apologetic about his behavior to the Celtics organization and players. The Boston fans? He's never going to care what they think.There were other reports of him basically giving everyone the cold shoulder for most of the year, similar to reports in Cleveland.
That’s how it happens with everyone…maybe not verbstim but never does a new acquisition address a season holder event before ever playing a game and says, “Well let’s see how it goes ok?” No of course not. They are always going to play to the crowd and there really wasn’t even any reason to think that at the time he wasn’t sincere. People change their minds and sour on their job all the time after initially being excited. Big freakin deal. I was as disappointed as anyone that it didn’t work out but it worked out for both parties in the long run.Oh, is that how it happened with Kyrie? Just, like, run of the mill answer to a question, huh?
I laughed! (But given my 5th grade sense of humor, that's not necessarily high praise)When Kyrie plays a shooting game, does he call it “Aflat The World?”
That’s a lot of words for “No, no it didn’t.”That’s how it happens with everyone…maybe not verbstim but never does a new acquisition address a season holder event before ever playing a game and says, “Well let’s see how it goes ok?” No of course not. They are always going to play to the crowd and there really wasn’t even any reason to think that at the time he wasn’t sincere. People change their minds and sour on their job all the time after initially being excited. Big freakin deal. I was as disappointed as anyone that it didn’t work out but it worked out for both parties in the long run.
Or I just didn’t take his word at a preseason ticket holder event as gospel in a contract year. Not sure what any of that other stuff has to do with basketball. Maybe if he had a daughter he refused to acknowledge he’d be revered around here.That’s a lot of words for “No, no it didn’t.”
But I don’t know, man. Seems like you’re going through an awful lot to defend a guy who is on his third team in four years after demanding trades multiple times, thinks the earth is flat, engages in virus conspiracy theories, promoted an antisemitic movie, and then wouldn’t deny holding those beliefs himself.
You’re probably right that he’s a righteous dude, though.
Aren’t you the one who brought up how awesome his Jewish team owner thinks he is?Not sure what any of that other stuff has to do with basketball.
If KI didn’t handle it well, what was with the stepping on the logo and burning sage?He has said, and as recently as last week, that someone in his family died that season and he didn't handle it well. I think he's been apologetic about his behavior to the Celtics organization and players. The Boston fans? He's never going to care what they think.
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"I've dealt with a lot of naysayers and chaos around my name that is untrue" is classic Irving. Everything is someone else's fault; no criticism is warranted based on his words and actions. I am so excited to root against him in this series. Going forward, I am definitely morbidly curious about how long he can keep it together in Dallas.If KI didn’t handle it well, what was with the stepping on the logo and burning sage?
OTOH, BOS fans should be glad he left - can you imagine what the town would be like if KI was on BOS when all of his refusal to get the vaccine nonsense went down?
There were (IMO, overblown) concerns about Jaylen and antisemitism in his support of Kyrie against a suspension. If I didn't find them overblown, I could probably get over them with banner #18.I really don’t care about the rest, but the idea that a Jewish person can offer absolution for antisemitism is wrong, and kind of offensive besides.
It's a combination of him having flashy skills that attract kids and young people on social media, and also other NBA players and ex-players recognizing the incredible skill that he has. It's one of the reasons I think he holds such much esteem among his peers even though he comes across like an asshole to fans. He's recognized as a savant talent in the way that other, better players, are not.I’m not on twitter but my understanding is Kyrie is the archetypal example of “bag twitter”.
Not to defend Kyrie at all in this scenario (because I have problems with many of his off-the-court issues) but no one is mentioning that the Celtics team he was joining was completely transformed five minutes into the first game of the season when Gordon Hayward shattered his leg. It's truly one of the biggest sliding doors moments in recent NBA history and I don't see it discussed at all.Not *the* thing, but *a* thing that disappointed me about the Kyrie on the Celtics experience was that he wanted to leave LeBron's shadow to become The Man on another team. So he gets his wish and goes to a team with a young/developing JT and JB, competent starters in Rozier and Horford (pre-mileage building up), Brad Stevens as the coach - a perfect situation. And he failed the leadership challenge as bad as one can, to the point where he was actively recruiting friends to another team. I'm glad he's gone and all, but it will always be a huge bummer that he wanted a specific situation, got it and failing miserably when he got there. Somehow making it worse is him now thriving and being praised for going back to his old role as a sidekick to a player he respects.
Yes, but it's not like the rest of that team was bad. They still took LeBron's Cavs to 7 games in the ECF and maybe Hayward helps them over the hump there. But my point is he gets to Boston, goes to the ECF in his first year and by the same time next year is asking players to join him in Brooklyn. That's pretty abysmal as a leader.Not to defend Kyrie at all in this scenario (because I have problems with many of his off-the-court issues) but no one is mentioning that the Celtics team he was joining was completely transformed five minutes into the first game of the season when Gordon Hayward shattered his leg. It's truly one of the biggest sliding doors moments in recent NBA history and I don't see it discussed at all.
And who threw the pass to Hayward that resulted in a shattered leg and career?Not to defend Kyrie at all in this scenario (because I have problems with many of his off-the-court issues) but no one is mentioning that the Celtics team he was joining was completely transformed five minutes into the first game of the season when Gordon Hayward shattered his leg. It's truly one of the biggest sliding doors moments in recent NBA history and I don't see it discussed at all.
Honestly, this is THE thing. He wanted to be the man; realized he couldn't be the man; then the next two teams he joined were the Nets with KD, and the Mavs with Luka. C'mon.Not *the* thing, but *a* thing that disappointed me about the Kyrie on the Celtics experience was that he wanted to leave LeBron's shadow to become The Man on another team. So he gets his wish and goes to a team with a young/developing JT and JB, competent starters in Rozier and Horford (pre-mileage building up), Brad Stevens as the coach - a perfect situation. And he failed the leadership challenge as bad as one can, to the point where he was actively recruiting friends to another team. I'm glad he's gone and all, but it will always be a huge bummer that he wanted a specific situation, got it and failing miserably when he got there. Somehow making it worse is him now thriving and being praised for going back to his old role as a sidekick to a player he respects.
Yup. He wanted to be the man and leader of a team. He failed absolutely miserably at both. So bad that he basically (without ever publicly admitting it) gave up on doing it.Honestly, this is THE thing. He wanted to be the man; realized he couldn't be the man; then the next two teams he joined were the Nets with KD, and the Mavs with Luka. C'mon.
Again, as much as I hate to be fair to Kyrie, but to be fair to Kyrie:Yes, but it's not like the rest of that team was bad. They still took LeBron's Cavs to 7 games in the ECF and maybe Hayward helps them over the hump there. But my point is he gets to Boston, goes to the ECF in his first year and by the same time next year is asking players to join him in Brooklyn. That's pretty abysmal as a leader.
All of that was from after practice comments??Did I say Kyrie has quit the verbal diarreah? I spoke too soon
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40271355/kyrie-reflects-celts-tenure-great-reflection-am
I'm not stepping into V&N here but one of his comments is funny if you google today's news about the new Mavs owner. That's all.Did I say Kyrie has quit the verbal diarreah? I spoke too soon
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40271355/kyrie-reflects-celts-tenure-great-reflection-am
Things took a turn somewhere in the second half of this sentence that lost meProbably didn't help that Tatum's name was being openly talked about as the bait to land Larry Fitzgerald.
Every Patriots and Celtics offseason at that time was a race to see which player would not come to Boston first. Larry Davis or Anthony Fitzgerald were always the 2 leading candidates.Things took a turn somewhere in the second half of this sentence that lost me
Actually, those two guys were such unknowns that they definitely would have come to Boston.Every Patriots and Celtics offseason at that time was a race to see which player would not come to Boston first. Larry Davis or Anthony Fitzgerald were always the 2 leading candidates.
It’s not hard once you crack the code. Basically, at every point or chapter of his journey or whatever the fuck we want to call it he claims that he “gets it” now in some kind of spiritual psychic emotional sense whereas in the previous chapter he hadn’t really gotten it yet, but never expresses any real engagement with the fact that he had said the exact same fucking thing before and he’s on like the nth iteration of this and it’s the exact same fucking thing he’s just added more verbiage instead of taking responsibility for things he did in previous moments when he thought he had things and himself figured out.Whenever I read comments from this guy, I have literally no idea what he’s trying to say. He is delusional.
Probably didn't help that Tatum's name was being openly talked about as the bait to land Larry Fitzgerald.
Are you okay?Every Patriots and Celtics offseason at that time was a race to see which player would not come to Boston first. Larry Davis or Anthony Fitzgerald were always the 2 leading candidates.
He wasn't a new acquisition at the time, he had already played a season in Boston. I guess you also missed the part where he doubled down afterwards when there was no crowd to play to by telling the media (and then doing a commercial) about how he wanted to have his number retired in the garden someday.That’s how it happens with everyone…maybe not verbstim but never does a new acquisition address a season holder event before ever playing a game and says, “Well let’s see how it goes ok?” No of course not. They are always going to play to the crowd and there really wasn’t even any reason to think that at the time he wasn’t sincere. People change their minds and sour on their job all the time after initially being excited. Big freakin deal. I was as disappointed as anyone that it didn’t work out but it worked out for both parties in the long run.
Yes. Anthony Davis was the unicorn that Ainge was hoping at one point to chase in the 2019 offseason, an event fans and media types were waiting a couple of season to happen. Larry Fitzgerald was the unicorn wide receiver that everyone thought Belichick was going to land, an event fans and media types were convinced was going to happen any day.Are you okay?
I got what you were doing, lex.Yes. Anthony Davis was the unicorn that Ainge was hoping at one point to chase in the 2019 offseason, an event fans and media types were waiting a couple of season to happen. Larry Fitzgerald was the unicorn wide receiver that everyone thought Belichick was going to land, an event fans and media types were convinced was going to happen any day.
I think actually he gets to the foul line and then falls off the edge of it.I laughed! (But given my 5th grade sense of humor, that's not necessarily high praise)