Kyrie Irving traded to Celtics for IT, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, 2020 2nd

[Strike4]

My big fear is that the pick is the #1 and that the Cavs get the next superstar. More likely is that the pick is like #4 and we all forget about this because Kyrie blows us away, but it's human nature.

I don't regret losing IT but I'll miss him at an emotional level. He's an incredible player to watch.

 

[Ed Hillel]

I guess I'm in the minority here. Irving is 25 and is under control for three more years.

This team is set up to be the best team in the east over the next 5-7 years and the still have the LAL pick.

Two more years, third is an option.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I guess I'm in the minority here. Irving is 25 and is under control for three more years.

This team is set up to be the best team in the east over the next 5-7 years and the still have the LAL pick.

I think he's only under control for two years. The third is a player option, which he'll almost definitely opt out of.

 

[scottyno]

I guess I'm in the minority here. Irving is 25 and is under control for three more years. Was everyone here willing to give IT a max deal?

This team is set up to be the best team in the east over the next 5-7 years and the still have the LAL pick.

2 more years, and then Cs are basically forced to max him (and hope that he wants to stay) with what they just gave up for him

 

[bowiac]

Is Butler as good?

I think it's difficult to make a case that Kyrie is better than Butler. You can make a plausible case that Kyrie is almost as good as Butler if you only value playoff performance.

 

[Sportsbstn]

Seems awfully like Danny was bidding against himself. No team was coming close to this offer and There was no way Cleveland was keeping him

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

This is a Pablo Sandoval level overpay. It will end badly. Kyrie is supremely overrated by many here and by casual NBA fans everywhere. The Cavs just got better now and in the long term. LeBron may stay in Cleveland now.

 

[heavyde050]

I'm fully on board with moving IT, by the way (anyone who game threads knows my feelings well). Just wish it were the LA pick.

This is where I am. If the Nets pick ends up at #1 or # 2 and the Celts miss out on Bagley, Porter, et al this will go down as an absolutely awful deal and will hurt the C's in the short and long term as mentioned above.
If the Nets pick is closer to #10, the deal will be much more palatable.

 

[ifmanis5]

The whole league knows Kyrie had to get moved so his trade value was at a low. This was an overpay.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

I guess I'm in the minority here. Irving is 25 and is under control for three more years. Was everyone here willing to give IT a max deal?

This team is set up to be the best team in the east over the next 5-7 years and the still have the LAL pick.

Two years. Player option.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Cleveland couldn't get anything done with a western conference team and then backed off their original demands for Tatum. At that point Ainge has all the leverage. Just wait them out until training camp starts and make them take the LAL pick instead.

 

[Sportsbstn]

This is a Pablo Sandoval level overpay. It will end badly. Kyrie is supremely overrated by many here and by casual NBA fans everywhere. The Cavs just got better now and in the long term. LeBron may stay in Cleveland now.

Still think he is highly likely to leave and go to LA. Long term Cavs aren't the better team.

 

[ifmanis5]

Opening Night is gonna be bananas.

 

[MillarTime]

Two more years, third is an option.

Whoops- thought team option

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Kyrie is a HUGE upgrade. The Brooklyn pick and Zizic are question marks. Are they viable? Maybe? Crowder wasn't getting significant playing time after adding Hayward and Tatum. I love IT but Kyrie is a better player. And younger. I can see why the Green teamers are freaking out but this makes the team better.

 

[Kid T]

I guess I'm in the minority here. Irving is 25 and is under control for three more years. Was everyone here willing to give IT a max deal?

This team is set up to be the best team in the east over the next 5-7 years and the still have the LAL pick.

He has 3 years left on his contract, but can opt out after 2.

My big fear is that the pick is the #1 and that the Cavs get the next superstar. More likely is that the pick is like #4 and we all forget about this because Kyrie blows us away, but it's human nature.

I don't regret losing IT but I'll miss him at an emotional level. He's an incredible player to watch.

The upcoming draft is supposed to be top heavy with up to 5 different players potentially pushing to be drafted #1. Put another way there may not be a huge dropoff between picks 1-5, but likely a big one between 5-6

 

[E5 Yaz]

LeBron may stay in Cleveland now.

The only way he stays is if Gilbert sells him the team

 

[Ed Hillel]

This is a Pablo Sandoval level overpay. It will end badly. Kyrie is supremely overrated by many here and by casual NBA fans everywhere. The Cavs just got better now and in the long term. LeBron may stay in Cleveland now.

lol yeah. Jae Crowder was that final piece.

LeBron ain't waiting for some kid to develop in his mid-30s.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

I think there is a good chance we're selling high on IT, which would certainly make the deal in the reasonable range. Crowder and the immediate Nets pick could sting quite a bit though

 

[Devizier]

I don't particularly like Irving so you know my feelings about this trade.

With Thomas sliding in Irvings spot and Crowder absorbing the minutes from the Smith/Shumpert garbage fire, I guess this could keep Lebron in Cleveland.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Nets pick was too much. Here's hoping it's in the bottom of the lottery.

 

[Red Averages]

If - IF - you knew that the BKN pick was only going to be in the 6-10 range, would everyone feel the same way? I think this is going to turn out just fine.

Also, in the last 14 months, they have added Brown, Horford, Heyward, Tatum, and Kyrie. That's an INCREDIBLE infusion of talent

This is the camp I'm in. At best the Nets have a 25% shot at the #1. This team is going to be amazing to watch with some excellent shooters and a lineup of Kyrie/Brown/Heyward/Tatum/Horford out there will be very hard to stop.

 

[moondog80]

You can argue that the collective package was too much, but certainly the Cs got the best singular asset in the deal. A quarter for two 20 cent pieces? Maybe.

 

[timelysarcasm]

Cleveland is getting praised for this on ESPN by Jeff Van Gundy and others. I'm neutral for now. I'll miss IT on an emotional level, for sure. Seeing him playing with LeBron is going to suck.

 

[reggiecleveland]

Not a fan of this. Hoping Kyrie is really the star he thinks he is.

 

[scottyno]

I don't particularly like Irving so you know my feelings about this trade.

The rumored price seems fairly steep. If the Nets pick is going why include any other assets?

They didn't really have a choice, salaries needed to be close enough to match and they don't really have any filler guys to give up.

 

[radsoxfan]

I also don't like the deal and don't particularly like Irving.

Having said that, I suppose you could argue we are selling high on a lot of assets. If IT's hip is a problem going forward, if the Nets aren't top 5 bad, if Crowder has peaked, if Zizic is overhyped....

Lots of ifs of course, and I honestly kinda hate the deal still. But if you squint you can sorta see some logic. I'm going to keep telling myself that. Blah

 

[RedOctober3829]

C's still have Lakers pick so they'll most likely have a lottery pick. Not all is lost.

 

[cheech13]

The history of NBA trades tells us that the team that gets the best player ultimately wins the deal. The Brooklyn pick certainly throws in a lot of uncertainty but the trade makes Boston better this year. It also weakens their chief rival in the East in the process and that shouldn't be overlooked.

 

[Marciano490]

This is the camp I'm in. At best the Nets have a 25% shot at the #1. This team is going to be amazing to watch with some excellent shooters and a lineup of Kyrie/Brown/Heyward/Tatum/Horford out there will be very hard to stop.

I'm awful with this sort of thing; does the fact that we hit on the No. 1 pick this year affect the likelihood of getting it next year too? Ping pong balls alone.

 

[E5 Yaz]

It'd be funny next draft if the C's pick before the Cavs

 

[Captaincoop]

This is a stone cold and GREAT move by Danny. Picks up the best player in the deal. Adds a second top-tier star in one summer, along with one of the top 3 rookies in a good draft. Gets younger, dumps a potential chemistry problem, and solves the inevitable trainshow that was coming when IT didn't get his max contract.

I know there's an emotional connection to Thomas, but the NBA is cutthroat, and the Celtics had to get better.

 

[Spelunker]

I'm awful with this sort of thing; does the fact that we hit on the No. 1 pick this year affect the likelihood of getting it next year too? Ping pong balls alone.

Nope.

 

[moondog80]

I'm awful with this sort of thing; does the fact that we hit on the No. 1 pick this year affect the likelihood of getting it next year too? Ping pong balls alone.

No impact. Each year is independent.

 

[Light-Tower-Power]

Something else to consider: has Kyrie peaked yet?

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

This is a stone cold and GREAT move by Danny. Picks up the best player in the deal. Adds a second top-tier star in one summer, along with one of the top 3 rookies in a good draft. Gets younger, dumps a potential chemistry problem, and solves the inevitable trainshow that was coming when IT didn't get his max contract.

I know there's an emotional connection to Thomas, but the NBA is cutthroat, and the Celtics had to get better.

Isn't Irving a potential chemistry problem?

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I'm awful with this sort of thing; does the fact that we hit on the No. 1 pick this year affect the likelihood of getting it next year too? Ping pong balls alone.

Only from a karma perspective

 

[moondog80]

I'm still cautiously happy about this for the C's, but N doubt that the Cavs did as well as could be expected. If IT is healthy (a big if maybe?), they take care of both present and future.

 

[AimingForYoko]

This is a Pablo Sandoval level overpay. It will end badly. Kyrie is supremely overrated by many here and by casual NBA fans everywhere. The Cavs just got better now and in the long term. LeBron may stay in Cleveland now.

LeBron ain't staying in Cleveland...come on now.

 

[BrotherMouzone]

Something else to consider: has Kyrie peaked yet?

Stevens has had a major impact on IT, Crowder, Turner, etc. Hell, he made Jordan Crawford look like an average NBA player?

Why couldn't Irving take another step forward?

 

[E5 Yaz]

Isn't Irving a potential chemistry problem?

Nah, he's a down to Flat Earth type of guy

 

[Cellar-Door]

Cleveland couldn't get anything done with a western conference team and then backed off their original demands for Tatum. At that point Ainge has all the leverage. Just wait them out until training camp starts and make them take the LAL pick instead.

I think there are 2 problems with that.
1. Why would CLE wait it out instead of taking the PHX offer (or someone else) That's a pick of similar value to the LAL pick, a young player with better pedigree than Zizic, and Bledsoe who is a very good replacement PG on a better deal than IT. Maybe PHX caves and swaps in Jackson, or adds a 2nd pick. The Cavs had offers on the table that were pretty good.
2. I'm not sure the gap between the Lakers pick and the Nets pick is that big, especially to the Celtics who can roll the LAL pick over a year. The Nets pick has more upside obviously because it can be 1, but the East is pretty garbage while the West is strong. I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the Lakers and Nets end up with similar records. Some projections have them only a few games apart. If one of those teams makes a surprise playoff appearance it's going to be Brooklyn, and it isn't completely crazy that they could make the 8 seed. I don't think they will, but there are a lot of tanking teams in the East and Brooklyn should be improved.

 

[bosockboy]

Assuming Smart is now starting and will handle defending tough point guards.

Irving
Smart
Hayward
Morris
Horford

Brown
Tatum
Rozier
Larkin
Ojeleye
Baynes
Yabusele
Theis

We probably can use a veteran bench wing and another big to fill it out.

 

[mikeot]

Charlie Pierce tweeted about how worried he is about team chemistry being upset. I say the deal as reported is well worth that risk.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Kyrie is a HUGE upgrade. The Brooklyn pick and Zizic are question marks. Are they viable? Maybe? Crowder wasn't getting significant playing time after adding Hayward and Tatum. I love IT but Kyrie is a better player. And younger. I can see why the Green teamers are freaking out but this makes the team better.

There is no satistics based support for calling this trade a huge upgrade for anyone but Cleveland.

 

[scottyno]

4 returning players and 1 starter from last years team, that has to be a record for a conference finalist

 

[NoXInNixon]

So many teams are tanking this year that the Nets pick could very easily fall out of the top five. I love this deal.

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[Light-Tower-Power]

Charlie Pierce tweeted about how worried he is about team chemistry being upset. I say the deal as reported is well worth that risk.

I don't know, this is pretty much an entirely new team. It's hard to say what the chemistry will be like.

 

[ragnarok725]

Nah, he's a down to Flat Earth type of guy

This honestly makes it very difficult for me to root for the guy. There's a David Price feel to this move.

 

[vadertime]

The 'x' factor in all this is Thomas' hip. We haven't really heard anything about his rehab. He could have a Bo Jackson like injury and never recover.