So if I am in RI, and doing a Arbitron book and report that I am listening to 98.5 does that show up in the Boston or Providence ratings?
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If you are in the Providence DMA (market), Providence. Also, in the spirit of media consolodation, Nielsen now owns Arbitron.Brohamer of the Gods said:
This is 100% false. If you are in Provodence then everyone there listens to D&C. Zero people listen to 98.5 ARE YOU DUMB? Did you forget about NESn too!!! D&C is the most listened to station in those other cities!!!MuzzyField said:
Sober as a judge!
Outstanding!NortheasternPJ said:
This is exactly how the world works when you drink a steady diet of anti-freeze, so technically JD may qualify as sober. The D&C Network is unlike any other. I imagine life in the markets beyond Boston consisting of waking to the choice of listening to D&C or watching D&C (or is JD counting these folks as doing both?), and that's it. Rating=100/Share=100/BS=Infinity
This is what I tried to explain to him last night when he replied to me on Twitter. Of course, he wasn't exactly receptive to anything I said.NortheasternPJ said:
Some dynamite hockey talk on D&C this morning. I learned that Claude is upset that the Bruins are favored in the series, because that means he "can't play the disrespect card." Since the Bruins are exactly like the Patriots and Claude is practically the mirror image of Belichick, this made complete sense to me.
Fantastic LOL moment happened when Minihane said he's ask Shawn Thornton, guesting later in the show, if the Bruins read articles written about them. Kirk said they probably didn't, and then added, "I mean, we don't read articles by media critics, do we?" Callahan piped in with, "No we don't," but there was dead silence from you know who.
Fantastic LOL moment happened when Minihane said he's ask Shawn Thornton, guesting later in the show, if the Bruins read articles written about them. Kirk said they probably didn't, and then added, "I mean, we don't read articles by media critics, do we?" Callahan piped in with, "No we don't," but there was dead silence from you know who.
Gerry was ripping on Barry Melrose, who had said that Bos/Det will be a fantastic series and the Bruins will win in 5. Gerry screamed, "you can't have it both ways! How is it going to be a fantastic series if it only goes 5 games?" Kirk says, "what if each game goes into OT?"
Gerry just says, "oh yeah, you're right". Some pretty gripping radio.
Gerry just says, "oh yeah, you're right". Some pretty gripping radio.
Thanks. That is what I figured, and for the record 98.5 does reach the entirety of Rt 295 around Providence, even on a crappy car radio. EEI prime doesn't, but of course 103.7 comes in just fine.MuzzyField said:
I am also sure that 103.7 destroys 98.5 in the Providence market more out of force of habit and better reception than quality of programming, but it would be interesting to see the numbers.
Brohamer of the Gods said:
I'm thinking it's counted at all in their ratings. Maybe because it's a "Boston" station even though it obviously comes in clearly in Providence. A couple of my friends from Newport talk about T&R so it must come in good enough all the way down there too although I've had mixed success in my extremely limited attempts when I'm there.
http://ratings.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb077
These are the February numbers for RI and there's no 98.5 included. Also, WEEI is just 8th despite having a dedicated station down there. I'd be interested to see how 98.5 would do down there as well.
When measuring broadcast audience, it's all about where the receiver lives, not where the signal originates. When I was watching the Sox or "Ask the Manager" on TV-38 in the late-70's, I didn't count in Boston, I was measured in the Hartford-New Haven-Spingfield DMA ratings. My apologies to Springfield, you are your own DMA.
Among the audience measurement concerns for broadcasters (radio and TV) being debated at NAB last week was Nielsen lacking measurement of those viewers and listeners using non-broadcast means of consumption, like the Internet. How much streaming do you think is going on here? Is the Sports Hub (CBS Radio) in no rush to duplicate the antiquated WEEI (Entercom) over-the-air network through syndication and/or aquisition because "there's an app for that?"
On a side note, the discussion around News Corporation fighting Nielsen on any attempt to further breakout the 65+ demographic (if you haven't heard, it's growing) into sub-categories was hilarious. Fox News dominates 65+ and Fox is not interested in the ratings reflecting that 65+ actually contains a significant number of 80+. For advertisers, 80+ is only slightly more desirable than dead.
Among the audience measurement concerns for broadcasters (radio and TV) being debated at NAB last week was Nielsen lacking measurement of those viewers and listeners using non-broadcast means of consumption, like the Internet. How much streaming do you think is going on here? Is the Sports Hub (CBS Radio) in no rush to duplicate the antiquated WEEI (Entercom) over-the-air network through syndication and/or aquisition because "there's an app for that?"
On a side note, the discussion around News Corporation fighting Nielsen on any attempt to further breakout the 65+ demographic (if you haven't heard, it's growing) into sub-categories was hilarious. Fox News dominates 65+ and Fox is not interested in the ratings reflecting that 65+ actually contains a significant number of 80+. For advertisers, 80+ is only slightly more desirable than dead.
For comparison:
Here is the MSA map for Boston.
http://www.srds.com/common/msamaps/1700022.pdf
Here is the DMA map for Boston.
http://www.srds.com/common/tcas/maps/dma/1912201.pdf
Here is the MSA map for Boston.
http://www.srds.com/common/msamaps/1700022.pdf
Here is the DMA map for Boston.
http://www.srds.com/common/tcas/maps/dma/1912201.pdf
allstonite said:
Radio Online must only show the "home to market" stations listed.
I just pulled a Men 25-54 ranker in Providence off of the Feb14 PPM (M-F 5a-8p):
1. WHJY - 2.1 rtg
2. WPRO-FM - 1.2
3. WVEI - 0.9 (WEEI-FM's signal would add another 0.2)
4. WWBB - 0.7
5. WBZ-FM - 0.6
Yet they always know exactly when Chad or Jessica Haslam at the Herald mention them, and of course how it's "unbelievably skewed" to favor 98,5 at weei's expense.
It's so great when JD rails about Chad being super friends with Toucher and Rich, as if Chad would have anything to gain from such a relationship.
It's so great when JD rails about Chad being super friends with Toucher and Rich, as if Chad would have anything to gain from such a relationship.
SidelineCameras said:
If the Pats lose to the Lions at home, Gillette will crumble to the ground as the stay-puff marshmallow man marches toward Boston.
Aren't the Patriots roughly 1,456-1 in the week following a bye in the Belichick Era?
(It's actually 10-3, but it feels more like 1,456-1).
(It's actually 10-3, but it feels more like 1,456-1).
Patriot_Reign said:
I'll stick with my standard line -- they read my column to find out what's going on at their workplace.
Chad Finn said:
I love this, but I'm curious: do they have to find out what's going on at their workplace via your column because a) they are idiots who never listen to their bosses or b) their bosses don't tell them anything?
Hearing these guys talk about race is like watching someone tiptoe through landmines. I'm pretty sure I just heard Callahan say something to the effect of (re: Sterling): "This isn't like his lawsuit where he said his Mexican tenants just sat around drinking all day and the blacks were (something else irresponsible), THIS is total madness!"
So by that you are under the impression that Callahan is saying that what Sterling previously said is reasonable and this is madness? I'm no Callahan defender but I've heard him over the last few days and that is most certainly not what he has been saying.
Any chance you could link where you got that quote from so I can check it out?
Any chance you could link where you got that quote from so I can check it out?
Callahan going on about how black people don't recognize the progress of anti-racism in the US. Apparently, they don't know how good they have it now. Pretty much party line along with the SCOTUS assertion that, since racism is now dead, there is no more need for affirmative action or voting rights laws. Sort of like the view from the right wing media that poor people in the US are lucky because they don't live in a Mumbai slum.
Watching Gerry attempt to debate Bomani Jones would be glorious. Jones would likely make KKKallahan cry tears of ineffectual rage.
I can't speak for SF but I my assumption is you are taking a statement out of context to make it sound like what you want to hear. I don't think I'll be going to the WEEI site and listening to everything they said this week to find that gotcha moment.
If you really think that you think hat Gerry Callahan, with his history, could say that Sterling was being reasonable when he said that "Mexicans sit around and drink all the time and don't take care of the property" and no one but you noticed then I honestly don't know what to say. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when you quoted it that it was found in some news story I missed and that other people had heard it.
I've listened a decent amount this week and have heard way too much Sterling talk for my taste and everything I've heard him say is completely opposite what you say he said.
If you really think that you think hat Gerry Callahan, with his history, could say that Sterling was being reasonable when he said that "Mexicans sit around and drink all the time and don't take care of the property" and no one but you noticed then I honestly don't know what to say. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when you quoted it that it was found in some news story I missed and that other people had heard it.
I've listened a decent amount this week and have heard way too much Sterling talk for my taste and everything I've heard him say is completely opposite what you say he said.
ForKeeps said:
When quoting someone, it is customary on this board to provide a source for the quotation.
When you said "here's the actual quote", I assumed you got that from somewhere. If it's an audio broadcast, terrific. Please post the link and the approximate time where the ACTUAL quote can be found.
And to be crystal clear, your recollection does not qualify as "actual". Please use appropriate words when describing facts.
I really don't think it is asking too much for him to back up his assertion that no one else seems to have heard.
If Callahan said what is "quoted" here there would have been outrage and at the very least he would have had to apologize for it.
I suspect that the words FK typed were said but when listened to in the full context the meaning would have been clear.
If Callahan said what is "quoted" here there would have been outrage and at the very least he would have had to apologize for it.
I suspect that the words FK typed were said but when listened to in the full context the meaning would have been clear.
It took less than five minutes to google the quote, find a (shitty) transcript, and find the audio. The quote starts at about 13:48:
http://audio.weei.com/a/90952988/donald-sterling-s-racist-comments-4-28-14.htm
IMO, It was pretty clumsy of Callahan. It's probably not a good idea to compare the relative "racist-ness" of racist comments.
http://audio.weei.com/a/90952988/donald-sterling-s-racist-comments-4-28-14.htm
IMO, It was pretty clumsy of Callahan. It's probably not a good idea to compare the relative "racist-ness" of racist comments.
Byrdbrain said:
You're right. I apologize for my original post, in which I prefaced the quote with, "CHECK OUT RACIST KKKCALLAHAN SHOW SUPPORT FOR STERLING TMZ EXCLUSIVE!!!11"
Having listened to it again, what I think he really meant (because I don't think he's dumb enough to say something that blatantly racist even if believes it, which he probably does) was that Sterling's previous comments/accusations were tried and true racist stereotypes that we've heard a million times, and this new audio was just the incoherent ramblings of a geriatric bigot. Hence my "tiptoe through landmines" remark. I never said he actually stepped on one, just that they can't get through a 10 minute discussion on race without saying something that at least APPEARS to be problematic. I know, I'm going way out on a limb there and it definitely necessitated you questioning it for an entire page of this thread.
If you had only done this the first time, we would not have had this problem. Instead you doubled down on the stubborness and stupidity. LOL As has been mentioned it took Zedia less than 5 minutes to actually find the quote and post it. I'm absolutely no D+C defender but the few clips I've heard, Gerry has crushed Sterling. That being said, I do agree with you that Gerry probably could have expressed his thoughts in a clearer manner. Now I think I'm going to go puke for defending Gerry Callahan. Thanx buddy :buddy:ForKeeps said: