Its been spelled out upthread. The guy is the franchise's only star and their most popular player. You aren't wrong though - Charlotte has a very tough decision here.They will hamstring themselves for years if they sign Walker to anywhere near the supermax. Why would they do this?
I am willing to bet that if Walker is actually considering Boston, Horford knew about it long before Woj posted it to Twitter.Is it feasible in any way the Horford changes his mind when he hears about Kemba?
No, because they need to renounce Horford to sign Kemba. There is no possible way to sign them both (unless Al wanted to sign for the minimum or something crazy like that).Is it feasible in any way the Horford changes his mind when he hears about Kemba?
they need to give up his bird rights to sign kemba, so unless he wants to take 1 year 4-5m or they somehow traded hayward to a team with a ton of cap space, noIs it feasible in any way the Horford changes his mind when he hears about Kemba?
The thing is that's not Woj's style, he's not a Windhorst type. His whole brand is getting the scoop and getting it right. If he's hearing this then it's what's happening, unless something changes demonstrably.This thread is premature imho. As others have pointed out, Charlotte is kind of a mess but I can't see them let Walker go without making a big push. I think cheech is spot on - Woj is carry someone's water to stoke the Kemba market.
Isn't it also possible Kemba just straight up told them that he wants to go elsewhere because he doesn't see a realistic path to contention for Charlotte anytime soon? I realize we haven't seen any specific evidence of that but that may just be because Kemba, unlike Kyrie, is respectful enough to keep those discussions/decisions between himself and Charlotte.Its been spelled out upthread. The guy is the franchise's only star and their most popular player. You aren't wrong though - Charlotte has a very tough decision here.
Start selling off expiring contracts like Biyombo, Williams, and Batum(PO for 2020 as well) for whatever draft capital they can get. Some of these guys are untradeable but do what you can. Like you said, they aren't winning either way and they need a total reboot.They're bad whether they have Kemba or not and letting him go won't give them any financial relief. I can see both sides of the argument, but letting your only good player walk for nothing is generally not a thing teams do. At the very least they could sign him and then trade him in a year for some other assets that might be useful in a future rebuild. Losing him in free agency is a franchise crippling loss. They'd be a half decade away from any kind of relevance.
Can’t they stay over the cap and execute S&Ts for both Horford and Kyrie? Then use those TPEs to S&T for Kemba and Vuc? A lot of financial gymnastics there, but Ainge and Zarren are excellent with the cap/CBA rules. If not both, I fully expect one of those players to be S&T so they can stay over the cap, get Kemba and then sign or trade Rozier, Morris, and/or Theis.We can't get there. Kemba and Vuc are max guys. We can't sign 2 of them.
You'd have to attach picks to those guys to move them. Those are toxic salaries. You can reboot with Kemba, too. Mitch Kupchak isn't stupid; I'm sure they are wavering on offering him a big contract, which has opened the door for Boston. That being said they aren't just going to throw their hands up in the air and let him walk for nothing because they're already bad. Teams don't operate that way.Start selling off expiring contracts like Biyombo, Williams, and Batum(PO for 2020 as well) for whatever draft capital they can get. Some of these guys are untradeable but do what you can. Like you said, they aren't winning either way and they need a total reboot.
Is Kemba+Kryie possible?No, because they need to renounce Horford to sign Kemba. There is no possible way to sign them both (unless Al wanted to sign for the minimum or something crazy like that).
Yes, but the chances of that happening are as high as pairing myself and Kemba together.Is Kemba+Kryie possible?
Agree. but I'm salting up my hat if he signs hereYou'd have to attach picks to those guys to move them. Those are toxic salaries. You can reboot with Kemba, too. Mitch Kupchak isn't stupid; I'm sure they are wavering on offering him a big contract, which has opened the door for Boston. That being said they aren't just going to throw their hands up in the air and let him walk for nothing because they're already bad. Teams don't operate that way.
Even if they could pull of these financial gymnastics, and there would be a whole lot of hoops there, they'd be hard capped at the apron for receiving a player in sign-and trade. No realistic way to stay under the apron while getting Vuc and Kemba with Hayward/Smart/Tatum/Jaylen still on the roster.Can’t they stay over the cap and execute S&Ts for both Horford and Kyrie? Then use those TPEs to S&T for Kemba and Vuc? A lot of financial gymnastics there, but Ainge and Zarren are excellent with the cap/CBA rules. If not both, I fully expect one of those players to be S&T so they can stay over the cap, get Kemba and then sign or trade Rozier, Morris, and/or Theis.
Why would Brooklyn agree to a S&T? They can get Kyrie for "just money." And presumably the same would be true of any team that wants Al (and if a team that wants Al is over the cap, there would be no possibility of a TPE even with a S&T because they would need to match salaries).Can’t they stay over the cap and execute S&Ts for both Horford and Kyrie? Then use those TPEs to S&T for Kemba and Vuc? A lot of financial gymnastics there, but Ainge and Zarren are excellent with the cap/CBA rules. If not both, I fully expect one of those players to be S&T so they can stay over the cap, get Kemba and then sign or trade Rozier, Morris, and/or Theis.
You have a better chance than KyrieYes, but the chances of that happening are as high as pairing myself and Kemba together.
Any examples?Glenn Ordway is supposed to be a knowledgeable basketball guy right? He just said some of the dumbest stuff ever to open today’s show regarding the Kemba Celtics issue. Omg
Wow.Per @stephenasmith, the #Hornets offered Kemba Walker 5 years and around $160 million, which is well shy of the supermax option, and he informed Charlotte he won’t be returning. #Celtics expected to sign the 3-time All-Star.
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144304527904059392
If true that's not even the regular max they could offer, probably something like 5-185, never mind the super, can't believe they never explored trading him if that's their real best offerPer @stephenasmith, the #Hornets offered Kemba Walker 5 years and around $160 million, which is well shy of the supermax option, and he informed Charlotte he won’t be returning. #Celtics expected to sign the 3-time All-Star.
https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/1144304527904059392
Because they're the Hornets.They will hamstring themselves for years if they sign Walker to anywhere near the supermax. Why would they do this?
He started off with the Kemba rumor and said he’s confused as the Celtics will basically have traded Kyrie and Horford and others for Kemba. Merloni had to point out that Danny did no such thing; that Kyrie and Al LEFT and now Danny is working from this point on.Any examples?
The only reason I can think of for not trading Kemba is that the Hornets are planning to tank and didn’t think the return for Kemba would justify assuming contractual obligations for 2019-20 and beyond (which would have presumably been necessary to make any deal work cap-wise).If true that's not even the regular max they could offer, probably something like 5-185, never mind the super, can't believe they never explored trading him if that's their real best offer
He was only making $12m last year, they could have easily dealt him for at least one really nice asset without taking any terrible contracts backThe only reason I can think of for not trading Kemba is that the Hornets are planning to tank and didn’t think the return for Kemba would justify assuming contractual obligations for 2019-20 and beyond (which would have presumably been necessary to make any deal work cap-wise).
I would have assumed he learned a bit calling the Celtics games on radio all those years.Glenn Ordway is supposed to be a knowledgeable basketball guy right?
Relegating CHA to the ACC and promote Duke to the NBA an option right now?Wait so you don't trade a guy because your plan is to ask him to take less money to stay on your capped out team with no talent and no plan? I mean this isn't even a slightly more than anyone else deal. All he needs to beat this deal is to make 19M in the first year of his next deal, which is barring catastrophic injury he will. And that doesn't even take into account things like getting into a bigger market and more promising team. CHA is arguably the dumbest team in the league, the Knicks may fail, but at least their plans are make sense
Exactly, at $12MM last season Kemba could have snagged Charlotte some sweet assets at the trade deadline. Lamb at $7MM also.Wait so you don't trade a guy because your plan is to ask him to take less money to stay on your capped out team with no talent and no plan? I mean this isn't even a slightly more than anyone else deal. All he needs to beat this deal is to make 19M in the first year of his next deal, which is barring catastrophic injury he will. And that doesn't even take into account things like getting into a bigger market and more promising team. CHA is arguably the dumbest team in the league, the Knicks may fail, but at least their plans are make sense
Thomas Bryant is a RFA that the Celtics have been tied toSo if Kemba really is coming, then the Celts would have the room exception to get a big, right. Who do we like for 4.7?
FA bigs include:
Looney
Robin Lopez
Zaza
Valancuianis
Kosta Koufous
Kyle O'Quinn
JaMychal Green
Tyson Chandler
Javale
Taj Gibson
Vonleh
Noel just opted out, Poirier as mentioned, Kaminsky, Nene, Taj Gibson, DialloSo if Kemba really is coming, then the Celts would have the room exception to get a big, right. Who do we like for 4.7?
FA bigs include:
Looney
Robin Lopez
Zaza
Valancuianis
Kosta Koufous
Kyle O'Quinn
JaMychal Green
Tyson Chandler
Javale
Taj Gibson
Vonleh
Noel's a Klutch client and he opted out at the same time AD waived his trade clause and LAL dumped their remaining contracts. I'd be willing to bet he ends up with the Lakers.Noel just opted out, Poirier as mentioned, Kaminsky, Nene, Taj Gibson, Diallo
A thread saying it's possible is premature?This thread is premature imho. As others have pointed out, Charlotte is kind of a mess but I can't see them let Walker go without making a big push. I think cheech is spot on - Woj is carry someone's water to stoke the Kemba market.
I’ve long been a Taj Gibson fan, but all he has left is hard work & savvy. He had good numbers last season in Minny, but only at 24min/game for 70 games. Gibson is at the point where he needs the work load dialed down to maintain the productivity, especially if you’re planning a playoff run. Great back up signing. If he’s the starter, we’ll see way too much Time Lord.Noel just opted out, Poirier as mentioned, Kaminsky, Nene, Taj Gibson, Diallo
Washburn/Globe: "If the Hornets re-sign one of the greatest players in franchise history to a super max contract — Walker is eligible for a five-year, $221 million deal — it could cripple the team’s salary cap in coming years and curtail its ability to compete. Or the Hornets could allow Walker to leave and become part of another rebuild with another team.They're bad whether they have Kemba or not and letting him go won't give them any financial relief. I can see both sides of the argument, but letting your only good player walk for nothing is generally not a thing teams do. At the very least they could sign him and then trade him in a year for some other assets that might be useful in a future rebuild. Losing him in free agency is a franchise crippling loss. They'd be a half decade away from any kind of relevance.
Seriously. The possible is always possible. I don't get that poster. Ever. At all.A thread saying it's possible is premature?
Thanks. As always, you can be depended on for criticisms and pile-ons without ever contributing any actual content.Seriously. The possible is always possible. I don't get that poster. Ever. At all.
I was in the pump the brakes crowd initially too, but Woj doesn’t break out “focused on each other” lightly. Kemba not signing in Boston would be equivalent to him getting the story wrong after reporting definitively.Thanks. As always, you can be depended on for criticisms and pile-ons without ever contributing any actual content.
And yes, Walker coming to Boston is indeed possible. The thread title has changed a bit but some of the early posts were pretty definitive that this transaction is happening.
Kemba on supermax is not a trade-able asset.They're bad whether they have Kemba or not and letting him go won't give them any financial relief. I can see both sides of the argument, but letting your only good player walk for nothing is generally not a thing teams do. At the very least they could sign him and then trade him in a year for some other assets that might be useful in a future rebuild. Losing him in free agency is a franchise crippling loss. They'd be a half decade away from any kind of relevance.